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Science proofs the existence of God

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Indroduction
All Praise be to Allah. We praise Him, ask for His Help and repent to Him. We seek Allah’s protection from the evils of our souls and the bad of our deeds. Whomever Allah guides will never be misguided and whomever Allah misguides will never be guided. I testify that there is no deity but Allah, with Whom thee is no associate. I testify that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger. May Allah bless him, his family, his Companions and those who follow them until the Day of Resurrection.

Koran 45:3. Verily in the heavens and the earth, are Signs for those who believe.
4. And in the creation of yourselves and the fact that animals are scattered through the earth, are Signs for those of assured Faith.

Some people do not believe in the existence of a Creator. They think that the Evolution Theory is a fact and that science supports it, while in reality this is not the case. Hundreds of thousands scientists are against the Evolution Theory because its not proven and it goes against the scientific facts. That's why its called a theory. When we were, in kindergarten theytaught us that a frog, turning into a prince was a nurseryfairytale, but when we got to college they toldus that a, frog turning into a prince was science!' We will proof them with one singel cell, that there is a Almighty Creator Insha'Allah.

Your body contains more than 100.000.000.000.000 cells, some so small that 1.000.000 of them brought together would fit on the tip of a needle. Despite this tiny size, however, the cell is considered by the scientific community as the most complex structure man has ever come across. W. H. Thorpe, an evolutionist scientist, acknowledges that, 'The most elementary type of cell constitutes a 'mechanism' unimaginably more complex than any machine yet thought up, let alone constructed, by man'. [W. R. Bird, The Origin of Species Revisited, Thomas Nelson, p. 298 and 299].

Koran 13:16. Say, 'Allah is the Creator of all things, He is the One, the Supreme and Irresistible'.


Is it possible?
Robert Shapiro, a professor of chemistry at New York University and a DNA expert, calculated the probability of the coincidental formation of the 2000 types of proteins found in a single bacterium [There are 200,000 different types of proteins in a human cell]. The number that was found was 1 over 10/40000. [Robert Shapiro, Origins, A Sceptics Guide to the Creation of Life on Earth, New York, Summit Books, 1986. p.127]. This is an incredible number obtained by putting 40,000 zeros after the 1!

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So many attempts would fail to create a singel bacterium and only 1 attempt would succeed. A one followed by six zeros is a million, look at the numbers above! Subhan'Allah! This is nothing compared to what you will read now. Harold Morowitz, a Yale University physicist, gave a far more realistic 'Probability' for a single bacterium. He calculated the odds of a single bacterium emerging from the basic building blocks necessary were 1 chance in 10/100.000.000.000. [Cited in Mark Eastman, Chuck Missler, The Creator Beyond Time and Space, Costa Mesa, CATWFT, 1996, Page 61]. This is a 1 followed by 100.000.000.000 zeros! This number is so large it would require a library of approximately 100,000 books just to write it out! Allahu Akbar! Wallahie tell me, how can someone reject Allah after reading this?

Koran 7:40. To those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance, no opening will there be of the gates of heaven, nor will they enter the garden, until the camel can pass through the eye of the needle, Such is Our reward for those in sin.

Emile Borel said, 'If anything is ten to the 50th power [A 1 followed by 50 Zeros] or less chance, it will never happen, even cosmically, in the whole universe'. [Emile Borel, Nobel Prize Winner, Probabilities and Life. New York Dover 1962. Ch. 1 to 3]. So what about 100.000.000.000 zeros? And again, this whas nothing compared to what you are going to read now.

The science of probability has not been favorable to evolutionary theory, even with the theory's loose time restraints. Dr. James Coppedge, of the Center for Probability Research in Biology in California, made some amazing calculations. Dr. Coppedge applied all the laws of probability studies to the possibility of a single cell coming into existence by chance. He considered in the same way a single protein molecule, and even a single gene. His discoveries are revolutionary. He computed a world in which the entire crust of the earth - all the oceans, all the atoms, and the whole crust were available. He then had these amino acids bind at a rate one and one half trillion times faster than they do in nature. In computing the possibilities, he found that to provide a single protein molecule by chance combination would take 10, to the 262nd power, years'. That is, the number 1 followed by 262 zeros.

'To get a single cell - the single smallest living cell known to mankind - which is called the mycroplasm hominis H39, would take 10, to the 119,841st power, years. That means that if you took thin pieces of paper and wrote 1 and then wrote zeros after it, you would fill up the entire known universe with paper before you could ever even write that number. That is how many years it would take to make one living cell, smaller than any human cell!' Subhan Allah! Look at how clear Islam is and how dark the way is that the atheists follow.

The reason they reject Allah is not because they don't know. They do known, and the reason is that they don't want to believe. They don't want to believe in God, and they take the devils as their friends. Those devils misguid them and still they think that they are on the truth. Look at those numbers, how can someone reject the Almighty Creator? Allah has allways been there and He is not created. Allah made the truth like the day and falsehood like the dark night. Even a blind man can see the straight path of Islam.

Koran 6:39. Those who reject our sings are deaf and dumb, in the midst of darkness profound. Whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander. Whom He willeth, He placeth on the way that is straight.
Koran 8:23. If Allah had found in them any good, He would indeed have made them listen. As it is, if He had made them listen, they would but have turned back and declined Faith.

According to Emile Borel, an expert in the area of probability, an event on the cosmic level with a probability of less than 1 out of 10, to the 50th power, will not happen. The probability of producing one human cell by chance is 10, to the 119,000 power. Sir Fred Hoyle, a mathematician and astronomer, was quoted in Nature magazine, November 12, 1981, as saying, 'The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way (Evolution) is comparable with the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junk yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein'.

Some people reading these lines who have so far accepted the theory of evolution as a scientific explanation may suspect that these numbers are exaggerated and do not reflect the true facts. That is not the case, these are definite and concrete facts. No evolutionist can object to these numbers. They accept that the probability of the coincidental formation of a single protein is as unlikely as the possibility of a monkey writing the history of humanity on a typewriter without making any mistakes'. [Inheritance and Evolution, Meteksan Publishing 1984, p. 64].

Hugh Ross estimates that the chances of ONE planet in the universe developing life is one in ten to the 282nd power (million trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion).

Now let us look at molecules. A single drop of blood has 35,000,000 red blood cells. A single red blood cell has 280,000,000 hemoglobin molecules, each molecule having 10,000 atoms. Molecules are so small that ¼ teaspoon of water has 1.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000 of them. De Nouy provides another illustration for arriving at a single molecule of high dissymmetry through chance action and normal thermic agitation. He assumes 500 trillion shakings per second plus a liquid material volume equal to the size of the earth. For one molecule it would require '10/243 billions of years'. [A 1 followed by 243 zeros]. Even if this molecule did somehow arise by chance, it is still only one single molecule. Hundreds of millions are needed, requiring compound probability calculations for each successive molecule. His logical conclusion is that 'It is totally impossible to account scientifically for all phenomena pertaining to life'. [Cited in Evan Shute, Flaws in the Theory of Evolution Nutley, NJ Craig Press, 1971, Page 23].

This was only a bacterium, what about the Great Creation of the heavens and the earth? This means that it is not possible for the cell to have come into being by coincidence, and therefore it must definitely have been created. In the Creation of God are Signs, for people of understanding. Look at your eyes, nose, fingers, ears, lips etc. Who created this? You cannot live more than a few minuts, without your nose. This is enough proof, to bury Darwin with his monkey theory under the ground.


Conclusion
This is suficient prove that God does exist, because not even an atom can come into being by chance. So who Created it? The only answer is Allah, the Almighty Creator of the heavens and the earth. There is no doubt about this. Since God cannot be a monkey, an idol made of sand, a blue elephant flying on a carpet with 9 hands, a prophet who used to eat and go to toilet, a ghost etc (Astagfirullah) therefore Allah must be the Creator of everything. All books who claimed to be a revelation from God, are full of errors and contradictions today, except the Qur'an. This is enoug proof that it must be a revelation from God. The Bible for example is full of errors and contradictions.

The Christians don't even know who wrote those books. There are hundreds of versions of the Bible, each one is different. So how do we know which ons is the right one? Secondly they don't even know their God. Some of them say that Jesus was God, others reject that. Some of them say Maria was the mother of God, and other Christians reject that. Some say the Holy Ghost is God, and others reject it. Some say Jesus died on the cross, other say on a tree etc. So how do we know who is speaking the truth? Each one of them has his own proofs because each one has a different Bible. The book of the Muslims is one and our God is one and our prophet was one.

There can be only one God, because God is the strongest. There cannot be 2 or 3 strongest. So if another being is stronger than you, then you cannot be God. This is what Islam teaches, and this is the truth, accept Islam and all your sins will fall away from the day you accept Islam. You will be born again like a baby, without sins. Don't die, except as a Muslim. :)

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I realy don't like this brother, why did they made this rule? :?
I fyou don't see the link i gave you, try this: www. freewebs. com /islamiway/ proves.htm
 
Only undedicated and/or closed minded people assume that evolution denies god. I have one simple question. 100 million year old rocks contain dinosaur bones but we don’t find 100 year old elephant bones. Today we have elephants but no dinosaurs. How can that be?:rollseyes
 
Well evolution contradicts one part of religion, how humans were brought to earth. Other than that I see no reason why evolution does not exist.
 
Cheb,
Glad to see your moderate and tolerant view. I have some questions though. Please do understand that I am also moderate and tolerant. I have no desire to ruffle fathers and raise anger.

Did god create the trees? I would assume your answer is yes. But trees evolved. That does not mean that god did not create trees. Truly if my grandfather did not exist, I would not exist. If man evolved from something that god created then didn’t god create man? My answer is yes.

Should we really use our holy books as science books? Or should they be used to bring us closer to god and be better people.
 
wilberhum said:
Cheb,
Glad to see your moderate and tolerant view. I have some questions though. Please do understand that I am also moderate and tolerant. I have no desire to ruffle fathers and raise anger.

Did god create the trees? I would assume your answer is yes. But trees evolved. That does not mean that god did not create trees. Truly if my grandfather did not exist, I would not exist. If man evolved from something that god created then didn’t god create man? My answer is yes.

Should we really use our holy books as science books? Or should they be used to bring us closer to god and be better people.
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Greetings,
See when you apply your last 2 paragraphs to Islam they contradict each other. God has specifically told us how man was brought to earth starting with Adam (pbuh) and Hawah (Eve). This is just a religious belief and not a scientific explanation. There is no need to involve science and science does not prove that humans were not brought to earth by Adam and Eve. I still believe that humans evolve but only out of necessity. Evolution is God's tool to insure that life on this earth continues to exist as long as necessary.
Religious books are used to guide us towards the righteous path.
 
Just one more point, while the part of the article that says Darwin's theory is proven wrong may not be true, it still gives a very strong argument to why God exists.
 
wilberhum said:
Only undedicated and/or closed minded people assume that evolution denies god. I have one simple question. 100 million year old rocks contain dinosaur bones but we don’t find 100 year old elephant bones. Today we have elephants but no dinosaurs. How can that be?:rollseyes
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There is (to my knowledge) nothing in Islam which says that Allaah (swt) can't take a creation away, i.e remove it.

And ming you, crocodile fossiles millions of years old look similar to modern crocodiles. The same goes for ants. The E-coli bacteria which is in the stomachs and tarms of most humans (if not all) has a very short generation span. This means that scientists have been able to make experiments on them, and within the reach of a lot of generations. Yet while they have got mutations on them, they have still remained E-coli. So far I know, there is not a single recorded instance where multiple bacteria have joined together to form a "primitive" life form, like the theory of evolution demands.

E-coli is still E-coli!

Indeed, some stuff of the theory of evolution is purely ridiculous. For example, the atheists say that whales emerged from bears and hippopotamoses (spelling?), accounts differ, who went swimming!!!

Subhan'Allaah.

Jazak Allaah khayr sister for posting this article. But sadly I think it is of no avail for those who are bent disbelieve. They don't differ much from the mushrikeen in Makkah who were of the same kind. Yet, I think those sincere seekers of Truth will be enlightened, wa Allaahu alem.
 
Scientists about the existence of a Creator

Isaac Newton said, 'This most beautiful system of sun, planets, and comets could only proceed from the council and dominion of an intelligent and powerful being'. (Sir Isaac Newton, regarded as the greatest scientist of all time).

Edwin Conklin said, 'The probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the probability of the unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing shop'. (Dr. Edwin Conklin, evolutionist and professor of biology at Princeton University).

Dr. Louist T said, 'Evolution is faith, a religion'. (Dr. Louist T. More, professor of paleontology at Princeton University).

Dr. David Berlinsky said, 'There are gaps in the fossil graveyard, places where there should be intermediate forms, but where there is nothing whatsoever instead. No paleontologist, denies that this is so. It is simply a fact, Darwin's theory and the fossil record are in conflict'.

Albert Einstein said, 'Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind'.

James Coppedge said, 'Chance renders evolution impossible'. (Dr. James Coppedge)

James Coppege said, 'The probability of a single protein molecule being arranged by chance is, 1 in 10/161 power, using all the atoms on earth and allowing all the time since the world began, for a minimum set of required 239 protein molecules for the smallest theoretical life, the probability is, 1 in 10/119.879 power. It would take, 10/119.879 power, years on average to get a set of such proteins. That is 10/119.831 times the assumed age of the earth and is a figure with 119.831 zeros'. (Dr. James Coppege from, 'The Farce of Evolution' Page 71).

Francis Crick said, 'An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going'. (Dr. Francis Crick, biochemist, Nobel Prize winner, Life Itself, Its Origin and Nature, Page 88).

Johnathan Wells said, 'I think in fifty years, Darwinian evolution will be gone from the science curriculum. I think people will look back on it and ask how anyone could, in their right mind, have believed this, because it'sso implausible when you look at the evidence'. (Dr. Johnathan Wells, author of the book, 'Icons of Evolution').

Charles Townes, 'Many have a feeling that somehow intelligence must have been involved in the laws of the universe'. (Charles Townes, 1964 Nobel Prize winner in physics, 'Science Finds God' Newsweek, 20 July, 1998).

Stephen Hawking said, 'The universe and the Laws of Physics seem to have been specifically designed for us. If any one of about 40 physical qualities had more than slightly different values, life as we know it could not exist, Either atoms would not be stable, or they wouldn'tcombine into molecules, or the stars wouldn'tform heavier elements, or the universe would collapse before life could develop, and so on'. (Stephen Hawking, considered the best known scientist since Albert Einstein, Austin, American-Statesmen, October 19, 1997).

Richard Dawkins said, 'The more statistically improbable a thing is, the less we can believe that it just happened by blind chance. Superficially, the obvious alternative to chance is an intelligent Designer'. (Professor Richard Dawkins).

George Wald said, 'There are only two possibilities as to how life arose, one is spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a supernatural creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous generation that life arose from non living matter was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us with only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of God. I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution'. (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology).

Nils Heribert Nilson said, 'My attempts to demonstrate evolution by an experiment carried on for more than 40 years have completely failed. It is not even possible to make a caricature of an evolution out of paleobiological facts. The idea of an evolution rests on pure belief'. (Dr. Nils Heribert Nilsson, noted Swedish botanist and geneticist, of Lund University).

Newton Tahmisian said, 'Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con-men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever! In explaining evolution we do not have one iota of fact'. (Dr. Newton Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission).

Robert A said, 'The pathetic thing about it is that many scientists are trying to prove the doctrine of evolution, which no science can do'. (Dr. Robert A. Milikan, physicist and Nobel Prize winner, speech before the American Chemical Society.)

Richard Bliss said, 'The miracles required to make evolution feasible are far greater in number and far harder to believe than the miracle of creation'. (Dr. Richard Bliss, former professor of biology and science education as Christian Heritage College, 'It Takes A Miracle For Evolution').

Colin Patterson said, 'The only competing explanation for the order we all see in the biological world is the notion of special creation'. (Dr. Colin Patterson, evolutionist and senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, which houses 60 million fossils).

Wolfgang Smith said, 'A growing number of respectable scientists are defecting from the evolutionist camp, moreover, for the most part these 'Experts' have abandoned Darwinism, not on the basis of religious faith or biblical persuasions, but on strictly scientific grounds, and in some instances, regretfully'. (Dr. Wolfgang Smith, physicist and mathematician).

Harold Urey said, 'All of us who study the origin of life find that the more we look into it, the more we feel it is too complex to have evolved anywhere. We all believe as an article of faith that life evolved from dead matter on this planet. It is just that life's complexity is so great, it is hard for us to imagine that it did'. (Dr. Harold Urey, Nobel Prize winner).

Louis Bounoure said, 'Evolution is a fairy tale for grown ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless'. (Prof. Louis Bounoure, Director of Research, National Center of Scientific Research).

Ambrose Flemming said, 'The evolution theory is purely the product of the imagination'. (Dr. Ambrose Flemming, Pres. Philosophical Society of UK).

Michael Denton said, 'The great cosmologic myth of the twentieth century'. (Michael Denton, molecular biochemist, Evolution, Theory in Crisis).

Dr. Ethredge said, '90% of the talk of evolution is sheer nonsense not founded on observation and wholly unsupported by fact. This Museum is full of proof of the utter falsity of their view'. (Dr. Ethredge, British Museum of Science.)

Dr. James Perloff said, 'The evolutionary establishment fears creation science, because evolution itself crumbles when challenged by evidence. In the 1970s and 1980s, hundreds of public debates were arranged between evolutionary scientists and creation scientists. The latter scored resounding victories, with the result that, today, few evolutionists will debate. Isaac Asimov, Stephen Jay Gould, and the late Carl Sagan, while highly critical of creationism, all declined to debate'. (Dr. James Perloff, Tornado in a Junkyard 1999, p. 241).

George Sim Johnson said, 'Human DNA contains more organized information than the Encyclopedia Britannica. If the full text of the encyclopedia were to arrive in computer code from outer space, most people would regard this as proof of the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence. But when seen in nature, it is explained as the workings of random forces'. (George Sim Johnson 'Did Darwin Get it Right?' October 1999).

George Gallup said, 'I could prove God statistically, take the human body alone, the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical monstrosity'. (George Gallup, the famous statistician)

Harold Morowitz said, 'The probability for the chance of formation of the smallest, simplest form of living organism known is 1 to 10^340,000,000. This number is 1 to 10 to the 340 millionth power! The size of this figure is truly staggering, since there is only supposed to be approximately 10-80 (10 to the 80th power) electrons in the whole universe!' (Professor Harold Morowitz).

Pierre Paul Grasse said, 'To insist, even with Olympian assurance, that life appeared quite by chance and evolved in this fashion, is an unfounded supposition which I believe to be wrong and not in accordance with the facts'. (Dr. Pierre Paul Grasse, University of Paris & past-president of French Academy of Science).

Dr. A.E Wilder Smith said, 'It is emphatically the case that life could not arise spontaneously in a primeval soup from its kind'. (Dr. A.E Wilder Smith, chemist and former evolutionist).

Michael Denton said, 'The complexity of the simplest known type cell is so great that it is impossible to accept that such an object could have been thrown together by some kind of freakish, vastly improbable event. Such an occurrence would be indistinguishable from a miracle'. (Dr. Michael Denton, molecular biochemist).

Allan Sandage said, 'The world is too complicated in all parts and interconnections to be due to chance alone. I am convinced that the existence of life with all its order in each of its organisms is simply too well put together. Each part of a living thing depends on all its other parts to function. How does each part know? How is each part specified at conception? The more one learns of biochemistry the more unbelievable it becomes unless there is some type of organizing principle an architect'. (Scientist Allan Sandage).

'Complex molecules that are essential to particular organisms often have such a vast information content as, to make the theory of evolution impossible'. (Bird, Origin of Species Revisited, Vol. 1, pg. 71).

James Conant said, 'Therefore, a grotesque account of a period some thousands of years ago is taken seriously though it be built by piling special assumptions on special assumptions, ad hoc hypothesis [Invented for a purpose] on ad hoc hypothesis, and tearing apart the fabric of science whenever it appears convenient. The result is a fantasia which is neither history nor science'. (Dr. James Conant [Chemist and former president of Harvard University], Quoted in Origins Research, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1982, p. 2.)

John Ambrose said, 'Evolution is baseless and quite incredible'. (Dr. John Ambrose Fleming, President, British Association for Advancement of Science, in 'The Unleashing of Evolutionary Thought').

H. Lipson said, 'I have always been slightly suspicious of the theory of evolution because of its ability to account for any property of living beings. I have therefore tried to see whether biological discoveries over the last thirty years or so fit in with Darwin's theory. I do not think that they do. To my mind, the theory does not stand up at all'. (H. Lipson, 'A Physicist Looks at Evolution', Physic Bulletin, 31 1980, p. 138).

Albert Einstein said, 'Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble'.
 
Islamic Scholars about the existence of God

Abu Hanifah
Imam Abu Hanifa organized a meeting with Atheists to discuss the existence of Allah. On purpose, Imam Abu Hanifa joined the gathering late which lead the Atheists to believe that Imam Abu Hanifa had no argument. Finally when he arrive he told them, 'I came to cross the river and no boats were there to take me across then a tree fell down and formed planks of wood all by itself and I waited and the rest of the boat was formed right before my eyes and that's why I am late'. Of course they didn't believe him and told him it couldn't just happen like that. Imam Abu Hanifa replied, 'Then how can the universe form all by itself?'.


Imam Shafi
Imam Shafi was asked what the proofs are of the existance of God and he replied, 'The leaves of Toot (berries) are all but one. Each leaf tastes exactly the same. Insects, honey bees, cows, goats, and deer live off of it. After eating these the insects produce silk; bees produce honey; deer give musk (a special kind of scent), cows and goats deliver off-springs. Is this not clear evidence that one kind of leaf has so many qualities, and who created these qualities? It is the Creator who we call Allah. Who is the Inventor and the Creator."


Ahmad ibn Hanbal
Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal reflected on the question in the following way. He said, 'There is an incredibly strong fort, it has no doors, there is no way to get in. In fact, there is not even a hole in it. From outside it glows like the moon and from inside it shimmers like gold. It is sealed from all sides, matter of fact it is air tight. Suddenly one of its doors breaks down, a living thing with eyes and ears, a beautiful looking animal appears yelling and wandering all over. So is not there a creator who made it possible for life to take place in this secured and closed fort? And is not this Creator better than humans? This Creator has no limit'. Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal was referring to an egg which is closed from all sides but Allah The Creator puts life in it and a chick pops out.


Imam Malik
Once Khalifa Haroon Rasheed asked Imam Malik, 'What is the evidence pointing to the existence of Allah?' Imam Malik replied, 'Difference in languages, difference in pitches of voice, difference in singing are proof that Allah exists!'.


The Bedouin
Once, a Bedouin was asked what made an unsophisticated man like him believe in Allah. The Bedouin asked, 'Do you see these marks in the sand?' The man answered, 'Yes' the Bedouin asked again, 'What do they tell you?' So the man replied, 'A camel went by'. The Bedouin asked, 'Did you see the camel?' The man replied, 'No, but these footprints in the sand suggest that a camel made them'. So the bedouin asked him, 'Do you see these mountains?' The man said, 'Yes' The bedouin said, 'They are indicative to me that Allah made them'.
 
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You know, we as Muslims believe that Allah created the heavens and the earth in a perfect way. I mean, would you believe it, if someone told you 2000 years ago that we are living on a great ball and this ball is swimming in the universe, no mather where you are, you don't fall of this ball. This ball is circling around another fire ball, if this motion stops, we all will burn? Would you believe that? I don't think so. Just look at the creation and you will find God, like prophet Mohammad, Allah's peace and blessings be upon him told us. Let me show you some signs of a perfect disign, that cannot come by chance.


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Koran 67:3. He Who created the seven heavens one above another. No want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of the Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again, seest thou any flaw?
4. Again turn thy vision a second time, thy vision will come back to thee dull and discomfited, in a state worn out.

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Wa Jazakum. If you know an atheist or debate against an atheist, just show this to him Insha'Allah.
 
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:sl: Great pictures:brother: alhamdulillah, but shouldnt this be in the Comparative Religion section.

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Cheb
I have no argument about whether 'God does exist' or not. I do believe that he does. I only argue about it being provable. I also argue against the concept that evolution = no god. I’m proof that it doesn’t because I believe in god and evolution. We will never be able to prove that god did or did not take direct action in the creation of man. (Obviously, since god’s existence is not provable) Logic does draw me to the conclusion that man is also a product of evolution but again no one will ever be able to bring proof. I just think “Holy Books” should be used to bring us closer to god and make us better people. I don’t think we should use them as science books. I think the story of Adam and Eve is nothing more than a metaphor to explain that god created us. Directly or indirectly, it does not change or challenge his creation.
To unscientifically challenge one or two of the many million peace of evidence for evolution, to me, is of no value. I also reject the concept that every once and a while god drops in and adds and removes species. I just think god is smart enough to use evolution as a tool.
 
I have no argument about whether 'God does exist' or not. I do believe that he does. I only argue about it being provable. I also argue against the concept that evolution = no god. I’m proof that it doesn’t because I believe in god and evolution. We will never be able to prove that god did or did not take direct action in the creation of man. (Obviously, since god’s existence is not provable) Logic does draw me to the conclusion that man is also a product of evolution but again no one will ever be able to bring proof. I just think “Holy Books” should be used to bring us closer to god and make us better people. I don’t think we should use them as science books. I think the story of Adam and Eve is nothing more than a metaphor to explain that god created us. Directly or indirectly, it does not change or challenge his creation. To unscientifically challenge one or two of the many million peace of evidence for evolution, to me, is of no value. I also reject the concept that every once and a while god drops in and adds and removes species. I just think god is smart enough to use evolution as a tool.
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Alhamdolillah

Everything that science proofs is true. That we were monkeys, is not proven. That maybe animals change, is possible. Why not? Its narrated in a Hadith by Imam Bukharie i think, that Adam was 30 cubits tall. So people changed from time to time. There is no problem at all. There is nothing that science has discoverd which is against Islam, nothing. In fact, Allah said things in the Qur'an, which are discoverd yesterday. You know the fossils that are found, not a singel one proofs the evolution theory. The museums are full of proof against the lie that our fathers were monkeys. If you proof that God does exist, then you have to believe that He created Adam and Eve. They were in Jannah, and satan misleaded them. So believe in science and islam, there is absolutely no conflict between this two, Alhamdolillah.
 

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