God does exist

Imagine if you took part in a lottery. The chances of you buying the winning ticket are 50 million to one. Amazingly, you win. A friend comes up to you and says, "Ah, you must have rigged the lottery, because the chance of you winning was so small." According to your reasoning, the friend would definitely be right. What do you think?
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The chance that you win the lottery every week for the next 80 years is 2.420.796× greater than the chance that 1 cell comes into existance by chance! You haven't refuted anything. You only gave your opinion. Who are you? I have given the quotes of the greatest scientists of this time. We don't need your opinion, just refute that those scientists are wrong and the give me proofs that a cell come into ixistence by chance. That's it. We are still waiting.
 
wilberhum said:
Only undedicated and/or closed minded people assume that evolution denies god. I have one simple question. 100 million year old rocks contain dinosaur bones but we don’t find 100 year old elephant bones. Today we have elephants but no dinosaurs. How can that be?:rollseyes
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You beleive God created us yet yiu deny the fact that Allah has power to make new organisms out of nothing. The laws of thermodynamics dont work with Allah.
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So if Allah wanted he could make the dinosaurs extinct and have elephants appear out of thin air. Kun fauakun.

To understand better read about the cambium explosion
 
Greetings Battle 4 Peace,

Since you obviously haven't understood anything I've written, and have chosen not to answer any of my questions, I'll say goodbye now.

Let me know if you manage to convince any non-Muslims with your banal arguments!

Peace
 
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I'd like to request that all members be respectful in discussions. No one has the right to tell someone else that they are not welcome on the forum. This forum is for everyone to learn and understand Islam and discuss with other Muslims. Please drop the insults.

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Czgibson, whoever believes in god is right and whoever believes in athesium is wrong. There are billions of people who believe in god and few million people believe in athesium. You believe that all this occured by chance, tell me what are the chances of you picking a human who believes in athesium rather then human who believes in god.
 
Hussein radi said:
Czgibson, whoever believes in god is right and whoever believes in athesium is wrong. There are billions of people who believe in god and few million people believe in athesium. You believe that all this occured by chance, tell me what are the chances of you picking a human who believes in athesium rather then human who believes in god.
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I'm not trying to argue against you brother, but people used to believe that the world was flat....a long time ago...

So to use the above argument is baseless on the main argument...If u gets me...
 
Battle_4_Peace said:
Some people reading these lines who have so far accepted the theory of evolution as a scientific explanation may suspect that these numbers are exaggerated and do not reflect the true facts. That is not the case, these are definite and concrete facts. No evolutionist can object to these numbers.
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Just a word on these numbers - czgibson is quite right.


They are most certainly not "definite and concrete facts". Whatever the mathematics involved, the accuracy of the result depends on the accuracy of the input, and in all these cases that is barely more than pure guesswork - we remain unsure as to what factors were involved at all, let alone which were the most important, and what the probabilities actually are/were. Virtually any specialist is likely to disagree with some of the 'input' here, so of course they can be disputed - and rightly so. That doesn't mean that the numbers aren't very large, and the probabilities very improbable. They probably are, but the figures quoted have nothing like the authority - or the acceptance - that Battle_4_Peace suggests.

The implication that evolution/neo-Darwinism has somehow been "proven" to be false, but that this is somehow suppressed in the interests of promoting atheism is complete rubbish. IF the point is ever reached at which empirical evidence suggests evolution as a scientific theory should be rejected, it WILL be rejected. That might mean somebody comes up with a better theory (better because it better fits the empirical evidence), or it may just be a single piece of evidence that shows it to be false, and that a return to the "drawing-board" is required. But neither has happened, or really looks like happening at present.
 
Greetings,
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Czgibson, whoever believes in god is right and whoever believes in athesium is wrong.
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What an amazing argument! How long did it take you to come up with that?

There are billions of people who believe in god and few million people believe in athesium.
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This is an example of the well-known fallacy argumentum ad populum. I could use the same fallacy to make the following baseless argument: "there are more non-Muslims in the world than Muslims; therefore the non-Muslims must be right."
You believe that all this occured by chance,
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Do I?

Why are you telling me what you think I believe?

tell me what are the chances of you picking a human who believes in athesium rather then human who believes in god.
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I'm sure it's more likely that I'll pick someone who believes in god, since more people believe in god than don't. What point are you trying to make?

Peace
 
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An argument, if it's a good one, should have the same logical and persuasive force no matter what opinion you have.
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It has enough logic and force, as it has the Qur'an and Hadith by its side :D

Peace :peace:
 
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Let us ask brother czgibson if this words can come into existence by chance. Yes or No? I'll wait for you answer.
 
czgibson, There are more people who believe in god then those who don't, you admitted it your self. so, how can they be wrong. My point is that god exists. And for your information Islam is the fastest growing religion.
 
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i think some people here should stop being so disrespectful and talking about czgibson as if he cant see your posts..

i personally dont see the problem with evolution, as long as it is not applied to humans. as far as i know, Allah swt said that he created adam... thus man did not evolve... but are there any references that say that he also created plants, trees, bacteria, animals etc... isnt it possible that they sould have evolved with Gods help?

does any one have any evidence that says clearly that Allah swt created life other than humans, rather than letting it evolve?

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