God does exist

Hussein radi said:
czgibson, There are more people who believe in god then those who don't, you admitted it your self. so, how can they be wrong. My point is that god exists. And for your information Islam is the fastest growing religion.
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Well I am not Mr Gibson, but Truth is not decided by democratic vote. This is not unknown to religious people: Noah and his sons were the only people on Earth whoe feared God. And so God saved them. Everyone else was wrong. One man was right. Or would you argue otherwise?

And Islam is still not the fastest growing religion in the world.
 
Hussein radi said:
The day of judgement is beyound science. Allah is capable of anything, he created science and he can destroy it. He is beyound time, matter, and the whole univere. All he wants for humanity is to believe in him and his message. This world is a test, he wants us to believe what we don't understand and see. root, i encourage you to read the Qur'an, it contains scientific facts 1,400 years ago that were only recently discovered. And sciece back then was very Limited, so it is obvious that it is the word of god.
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Really? Is that an Islamic belief? Why, then, didn't He create us in His sight so that we all could see Him and know Him and hence worship Him? Why has He placed barriers in the way of belief? I do not know what He wants but surely logic tells us He wants something else other than merely our belief in Him.
 
Really? Is that an Islamic belief? Why, then, didn't He create us in His sight so that we all could see Him and know Him and hence worship Him? Why has He placed barriers in the way of belief? I do not know what He wants but surely logic tells us He wants something else other than merely our belief in Him.
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You can't even look at the sun, His creation, how do you want to see God?

Well I am not Mr Gibson, but Truth is not decided by democratic vote. This is not unknown to religious people: Noah and his sons were the only people on Earth whoe feared God. And so God saved them. Everyone else was wrong. One man was right. Or would you argue otherwise? And Islam is still not the fastest growing religion in the world.
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Nowhere does the Qur'an say that the complete earth was under water. Noah did 950 years Dawa, he called people to Islam, they did not accept. Allah drowned his people, not the entire world, this is unscienitific. He only took the animals that were needed, like sheep, cows, chicken's etc. You can als answer the question i asked czgibson. Can those letters come into existence by chance, Yes or No?
 
Battle_4_Peace said:
You can't even look at the sun, His creation, how do you want to see God?
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I am quite happy not seeing God, but clearly I have not been given the undeniable proof some people have. God has not appeared to me. Nor has Gabriel. If God merely wanted us to praise Him, surely that would be a built in function? He must want something more complicated (like we should freely choose to praise Him or something).

Nowhere does the Qur'an say that the complete earth was under water. Noah did 950 years Dawa, he called people to Islam, they did not accept. Allah drowned his people, not the entire world, this is unscienitific. He only took the animals that were needed, like sheep, cows, chicken's etc. You can als answer the question i asked czgibson. Can those letters come into existence by chance, Yes or No?
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A lot of things are unscientific including any claim that all the sheep and cows have been through a genetic bottleneck of just two animals. I will take your word for what the Quran says (although chickens come from Malay and so at the time there probably were none when Noah was around). The point remain that just because people did not accept Noah's call it does not mean that Islam is false.

Theoretically those letters might come into existence by chance, but the odds of it are very small.
 
Greetings Battle 4 Peace,

Battle_4_Peace said:
Let us ask brother czgibson if this words can come into existence by chance. Yes or No? I'll wait for you answer.
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Listen, I am only prepared to discuss things with you if you will agree to read my posts carefully and answer the questions I have put to you in response to your own questions. This debate is unlikely to progress in a useful fashion unless you and I both agree to do that.

You have made much of your claim that I have not answered your questions. If you read my posts carefully, you will see that I have done my best to do so. I do not yet see any evidence that you have taken this on board yet.

If you have an issue with some of the answers I've given, then by all means bring it up - I'll be happy to discuss it with you - but please don't just ignore everything I write.

Do we have a deal? If you can confirm that we do, then I'll be happy to answer your latest question.

Greetings hussein radi,

czgibson, There are more people who believe in god then those who don't, you admitted it your self. so, how can they be wrong.
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As I said in my last post, this is an example of the fallacy argumentum ad populum. The fact that a majority of people believe something does not mean it is necessarily true. Two thousand years ago, nearly everyone believed that the Sun went around the Earth. Were they right?

My point is that god exists. And for your information Islam is the fastest growing religion.
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I know what your point is, I just don't happen to agree.

As for Islam being the fastest growing religion, we've had this discussion on the forum before, and that claim is highly debatable to say the least.

Greetings cheese and Abd'Majid,

cheese said:
i think some people here should stop being so disrespectful and talking about czgibson as if he cant see your posts..
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Abd'Majid said:
czgibson is actually very polite, lets not be rude to hiM
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What can I say? I'm touched. Thank you. :thankyou:

Peace
 
Greetings Islamic Kuri,
Islamic Kuri said:
But what r ur reasons that u dont agree?
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Haven't we met before on the forum?

Many, many of my posts are devoted to this precise topic. Have a look through the threads discussing atheism or the existence of god and you'll find me giving many reasons why I am an atheist.

The most important of these is that I have never come across any evidence whatsoever that supports the idea that god exists.

Peace
 
The most important of these is that I have never come across any evidence whatsoever that supports the idea that god exists.
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I don't understand you czgibson. Here, in this world, there are many things that are shown that could not have come about merely by chance or human beings...then y do u not believe in God??
 
Ofcourse God Exsists Cause When He You Die He Makes You Die And When Your Alive He Makes You Alive!

So Ofcourse He Exsists

W.salam
 
Greetings,
Islamic Kuri said:
I don't understand you czgibson. Here, in this world, there are many things that are shown that could not have come about merely by chance or human beings...then y do u not believe in God??
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This is essentially the argument from design once again, but what do you mean by "by chance"?

Peace
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,


This is essentially the argument from design once again, but what do you mean by "by chance"?

Peace
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As for the argument in design - I've done that in RE A Level. :rollseyes

By Chance, I mean that this world, humans, plants, animals....It is a bit far-fetched to assume that they all came about by chance...is it not...:?
 
As for the argument in design - I've done that in RE A Level.
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Cool. Such issues should be for RE & not science.

By Chance, I mean that this world, humans, plants, animals....It is a bit far-fetched to assume that they all came about by chance...is it not...
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Tell me, if we can't achieve something within 100 - 1000 years. Is it impossible to ever achieve? Yes or no would be cool
 
Tell me, if we can't achieve something within 100 - 1000 years. Is it impossible to ever achieve? Yes or no would be cool
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Could you expand on that please...I didnt quite understand the question...
 
Tell me, if we can't achieve something within 100 - 1000 years. Is it impossible to ever achieve?
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Depends in what context u r talking about. But in general, I would say no.
 
root said:
Tell me, if we can't achieve something within 100 - 1000 years. Is it impossible to ever achieve? Yes or no would be cool
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With mutation nothing is impossible to achieve root and i'm sure you're aware of that. In Humans you have klinefelter's syndrome, cytosis fibrosis, sickle cell anaemia etc. That is the result of mutation.....that is not to say that all mutations are negative. In this case the likelyhood of something gradually evolving with the aid of random mutation (which really isn't random) and natural selection is quite into a complex, well functioning, conscience and intellect being coming about is far-fetched.

It is possible you can achieve something but there is a high chance of that thing dying, and as it dies everything would have to be started from scratch. Ah the frustration....

Its not a very simple question now root.....

Peace out
 
With mutation nothing is impossible to achieve root and i'm sure you're aware of that. In Humans you have klinefelter's syndrome, cytosis fibrosis, sickle cell anaemia etc. That is the result of mutation.....that is not to say that all mutations are negative. In this case the likelyhood of something gradually evolving with the aid of random mutation (which really isn't random) and natural selection is quite into a complex, well functioning, conscience and intellect being coming about is far-fetched.
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I never mentioned mutational change, what was your point since mutational change is only a small part of evolution. I am not referencing evolution at all. Don't presume to pre-empt me please:

Regards

Root
 
Islamic Kuri said:
Here, in this world, there are many things that are shown that could not have come about merely by chance or human beings...then y do u not believe in God??
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If something could be shown could not have come about through natural processes - a little more than chance - then it would be good evidence to suggest the existence of God. But I know of no such thing and the sensible presumption must be that God does not play an active role in the day-to-day management of the Universe.
 
But I know of no such thing and the sensible presumption must be that God does not play an active role in the day-to-day management of the Universe.
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The Universe is a good start.
 

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