GOD in the eyes of Science: Possibility or Necessity

[wilberhum]

Harun Yahya teaches “Pseudo Science” and caries no respect in the scientific community. His “Invitation to Truth”, is any thing but.
He is an insult to intelligence and makes a mockery of every Muslim.

 

[wilberhum]

just proof would be nice

Yes it would be. Got some?

 

[i_m_tipu]

Every requests for Scientific facts is unanswered.

thats not true at all
all are try to give ans with some thought.
your are not cooperative and that is the only reason u don't have the ans.

you are not being helpfull
as u not ans a word of those questions

with flawed statements, or with silly questions

that is very strange...
non of those questions is silly
can u proof any of those question is silly.

I will not continue a battle of wit with an unarmed opponent.

This is like arguing with a blind man who states that color does not exist.

So, no more silly games. Until you come up with a valid argument, I will not continue with this stupidity.

totally agreed
talking with u is totally wastage

This is like arguing with a blind man who states that color does not exist.

that is the thing I and others try to make u understand
a blind man can not see bcoz he has no power on eye.
but he can realize with his other organs.

u maybe forget
u or anyones don't have a tiny knowledge about a tiny part of human body or any natural thing.(what and how that tiny part created)

first try to find urself where u are and position

if u do

than come to talk of GOD (creator of the thing that exits)

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Wilberhum, you're asking for sqaure circles. You say nobody can give you a scientific proof of God. I say: Science is an investigation of Gods laws, so every single scientific fact prooves teh existance of God. The reason we are unable to answer your question is not because answering it is imposible, but rather because you will fail to accept any answer we give.

I'm gonna repost what I posted before:

You forgot something very essential. Science is based on emperical testing. It doesn't tell us WHY things happens it tells us HOW things happen. Religion tells us WHY things happen and not HOW (at least not in detail). So they are two ways of looking at the same thing and they do go hand in hand, the difrence is one tells you why and the other tells you how.

For the sake of argument, try to look at it from the other perspective for a sec. God manifests his laws. Mankind is witness. God is consequent and always acts in the same way. Mankind is witness. Mankind starts to recognise paterns in these consequent acts of God. Mankind starts to find mathemetical ways to describe the way God manifests his law. Mankind calls this the science of nature, since this is the nature of everything they know. Mankind claims they no longer need God, they got science now.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

I haven't read the entire thread so I don't know how much of what I'm going to say has already been mentioned.

To speak about God under the scope of science is not logically consistent with common definitions. Science is the systematic study of the physical order and the natural laws which govern the observable universe. As theists believe that God is the originator of those laws and that order, He is beyond the scope of science. The 'eyes of science' cannot behold God, or anything beyond our observable universe for that matter. Science is the study of observable creation, not the Creator.

And yet, in response to those who would claim that theists mistakenly believe in an entity without proof, it should be pointed out that scientists have unanimously accepted a great host of entities without proof. (See a Muslim critique of agnosticism here). Everything from atoms to gravity to electromagnetic radiation is accepted without proof. Instead, in science the accepted theory is the one that provides most parsimonious explanation for observable phenomena. Applying this standard to the realm of religion, Muslims maintain that not only does Islam provide the most parsimonious explanation for our position in the universe, but it stands above all other religious or secular ideologies in its logical coherence and comprehensive answers, beginning with the most fundamental question of the purpose of life.

Concerning the origin of the universe, the energy and entropy therein, the sudden sentience of a human being, the fundamental moral sense and natural disposition of human beings, and many other issues, Islam provides definitive, logical and comprehensible answers. While many may be content to merely plead ignorance or fail to provide alternative theories on such issues, a scientific approach would require the acceptance of the logical answers provided by Islam.

 

[wilberhum]

Ansar Al-'Adl
To speak about God under the scope of science is not logically consistent with common definitions.

That’s an excellent summation of what I have been saying all this time.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Really? I thought you were trying to say there's nothing scientific about God.
Big difference

 

[wilberhum]

Really? I thought you were trying to say there's nothing scientific about God.
Big difference

Ansar Al-'Adl summed it up quite well.

To speak about God under the scope of science is not logically consistent with common definitions.

The answer is easily derived from that. There is nothing scientific about god. Therefore you can not make a scientific statement about god. But I would expect that you could not see that. You have a remark ability to see what isn’t there and not see what is. Also, as always, you never provide any answer. So until you have a valid statement, please don’t bother.

 

[root]

GOD in the eyes of Science:

Possibility

Yes I would certainly suggest it's a possibility, so is camera shy little green men on the moon who have so far evaded detection. Both are equally possible. The theory that states God does not exist is a scientific valid theory and as for God existing, that currently can only be an Hypothosis.

Necessity

Certainly not.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Ansar Al-'Adl summed it up quite well.

The answer is easily derived from that. There is nothing scientific about god. Therefore you can not make a scientific statement about god. But I would expect that you could not see that.

No, what ansar said is taht God is the source of the phenomena investigated within science. So there is something scientific about God, since science by itself is teh investigation of the habitual acts of God.

You have a remark ability to see what isn’t there and not see what is. Also, as always, you never provide any answer. So until you have a valid statement, please don’t bother.

That's cute first you say I will not be able to give you an answer, and then to cash in that claim you propose that I don't even try. Or at least not untill I have a valid statement, but wait a minute, what is valid? I'm quite certain that you will dismiss anything I'll say as being valid; as it wouldn't fit in your own un-validated view.

 

[wilberhum]

Steve
I didn't see the Scientific Fact. Why is that?

 

[Chuck]

Therefore you can not make a scientific statement about god.

No, what ansar said is taht God is the source of the phenomena investigated within science. So there is something scientific about God, since science by itself is teh investigation of the habitual acts of God.

I didn't see the Scientific Fact. Why is that?

Everything in science is not observable fact, there are lots of theories too.

 

[iLL_LeaT]

The theory that states God does not exist is a scientific valid theory.

What (!)?

And what theory is that?

The existence of God (as of now) can not be proven or disproven by science, so any theory of God’s existence is not scientifically valid.

 

[root]

The existence of God (as of now) can not be proven or disproven by science, so any theory of God’s existence is not scientifically valid.

It's perfectly plausable for a theory that claims God does not exist. All you have to do to prove the theory wrong (aka - Falsifiable) is prove God exists. As you said, any theory of God's existence is not scientifically valid currently!

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Steve
I didn't see the Scientific Fact. Why is that?

Because you're blind. I'm telling you; every single fact we examine in science is of devine nature. There is not an apple that falls to the ground; not an electon repeling another, not an atom that is held toghether without Allah enpowering it to be so. You want empirical testing? How about every prayer I make that gets answered? Every reasonable thing I ask for granted. How bout that warm fussy feeling I get from my soul. How bout the miracles of the Qur'an. How about the scientific view of time suggesting the existance of a soul? How about an age old religion answering paradoxes that science still cannot answer today. I've been an atheist almost my whole life. And I was always interested in science. And if you think my knowledge of science is poor I welcome you to debate me in it. After a certain while I realised science doesn't contradict religion (well at least not islam, it does contradict other religions) but in fact, science needs Islam to complete it!

You think you can prove something with a simplistic statement like "There's nothing scientific about God". Don't make me laugh. You want a serious debate, well then start one. with all do respect, these one liners only make you look ignorant.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

but in fact, science needs Islam to complete it!

:thumbs_up mashAllah

with all do respect, these one liners only make you look ignorant.

ye thats kinda the reason i stopped replying in this thread :-\

 

[wilberhum]

Steve

Because you're blind.

Then show me the light.
State a scientific fact about god.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

LOL
my post is full of them.
If you don't see them there's no point in me pointing them out for you.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

If you don't see them there's no point in me pointing them out for you.

Steve, being a man who knows a thing or two about science, surely you'll accept that a scientific fact has to be something that's objectively verifiable, not dependent on subjective prior beliefs?

I'm obviously with Wilberhum on this one...

Peace

 

[wilberhum]

LOL
my post is full of them.
If you don't see them there's no point in me pointing them out for you.

Anything, any excuse. There is no scientific statement about god in any of your post. There is one and only one reason you refuse to point to one.
You don't have one, because there are none.

[MAD]Give me a Scientific Satatement about god.[/MAD]