God, why so many shortcomings, contradictory attributes and other qualities

[Ramadhan]

If the writers of the bible are not even sure of the age, how can they be sure of what exactly the teachings of Jesus were. ... i think its quite clear to see that ? no? Ooh, but you are an atheist ... thought so

But this is where it's baffling.
Atheists always claim they are very critical and logical.
How could he forgive such glaring error and contradiction?

 

[aadil77]

I still cannot understand muslims.

Some king reigned well before Christ. "Jack' writes the king was 22 and "Fred" writes the king was 42.

How does that make any difference to the deeds done by that king?

Please explain how the difference changes the 10 commandments?

Please explain how the difference affects Christs teachings?

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How hard is it to understand that the qur'an and bible conflict, the beliefs,teachings, stories are not the same, doesn't that make it obvious why we think the bible is corrupted? Its simple the bible does not contain the same message as the quran, so we know that isn't in its true form otherwise nothing would conflict between the two.

The obvious contradictions within the bible are a blatent sign of it being corrupted, but the main evidence is the message isn't the same as it is in the Qur'an, how much more do we need to state the obvious?

 

[Grace Seeker]

How hard is it to understand that the qur'an and bible conflict, the beliefs,teachings, stories are not the same, doesn't that make it obvious why we think the bible is corrupted? Its simple the bible does not contain the same message as the quran, so we know that isn't in its true form otherwise nothing would conflict between the two.

Or..... perhaps you can understand why it is that--as one who holds to the integrity of my own scriptures-- the contradictions you have noted between them instead of proving the corrupted nature of my text become the most glaring reason as to why I will always have problems with accepting the Qur'an as the very words of God recited.

 

[syilla]

^^^maybe u should post the problem here like the muslims are doing to the bible

 

[Grace Seeker]

^^^maybe u should post the problem here like the muslims are doing to the bible

Beyond noting the obvious differences between the Qur'an and the Bible, e.g. the different accounts regarding the crucifixion or our understanding of Jesus' nature, I have no desire to endlessly attack my hosts on this forum. I understand that I am a guest here. This is a place for discussion of Islam. I am here principally to learn more about Islam in order to better understand it, and (as needed) correct misunderstandings of the Christian faith. I am not here to prosleytize (though I fear I probably cross this line more than I realize), and I am certainly not here to attack Islam as a means of promoting my faith.

But, thank-you for your openness in inviting such comments. That is more than gracious.

 

[syilla]

^^^ you don't need to attack... just show the verses that you can't accept. And if you still can't accept the muslims explanation...nothing harm was done. I'm sure most of the muslims here are used it.

 

[aadil77]

Beyond noting the obvious differences between the Qur'an and the Bible, e.g. the different accounts regarding the crucifixion or our understanding of Jesus' nature, I have no desire to endlessly attack my hosts on this forum. I understand that I am a guest here. This is a place for discussion of Islam. I am here principally to learn more about Islam in order to better understand it, and (as needed) correct misunderstandings of the Christian faith. I am not here to prosleytize (though I fear I probably cross this line more than I realize), and I am certainly not here to attack Islam as a means of promoting my faith.

But, thank-you for your openness in inviting such comments. That is more than gracious.

I'll be honest you've been here long enough for us to know that you're not some islam hating troll or some christian missionary, I don't think anyone will feel you're attacking islam. So please do point out any flaws, contradictions etc you feel are present in the Qur'an, it will be interesting to see what you can find, like you said this is a place to discuss islam so go ahead.

Don't make me challenge you!