God's means of communication

[Ramadhan]

No more that such a thing has occurred to me when I visit the Christian, Jewish, Hindu, or Scientologist boards.

Ah, then you are on the right track.

I hope the next thing you do is to learn how God is described in Islam compared to those religions, and use your faculty of logic (that God has given you) to investigate which one of those descriptions of God is the most likely to befits the creator of the who universe, the uncaused.

Is God likely to be one in three, a third came down to earth, suffering the humiliation of its creation, powerless and suffering from amnesia?
or is God an ancient indian king with multiple arms riding on a giant eagle?
or is god an intergalactic aliens spawning the earth?

Or is God as described in the QS. Al Ikhlas written in previous post by sis. Insanaah, along with the beautiful attirubutes that He has revealed:


1. Allah: He who has the Godhood which is the power to create the entities.

2. Ar-Rahman: The One who has plenty of mercy for the believers and the blasphemers in this world and especially for the believers in the hereafter.

3. Ar-Rahim: The One who has plenty of mercy for the believers.

4. Al-Malik: The One with the complete Dominion, the One Whose Dominion is clear from imperfection.

5. Al-Quddus: The One who is pure from any imperfection and clear from children and adversaries.

6. As-Salam: The One who is free from every imperfection.

7. Al-Mu'min: The One who witnessed for Himself that no one is God but Him. And He witnessed for His believers that they are truthful in their belief that no one is God but Him.

8. Al-Muhaymin: The One who witnesses the saying and deeds of His creatures.

9. Al-^Aziz: The Defeater who is not defeated.

10. Al-Jabbar: The One that nothing happens in His Dominion except that which He willed.

11. Al-Mutakabbir: The One who is clear from the attributes of the creatures and from resembling them.

12. Al-Khaliq: The One who brings everything from non-existence to existence.

13. Al-Bari': The Creator who has the Power to turn the entities.

14. Al-Musawwir: The One who forms His creatures in different pictures.

15. Al-Ghaffar: The One who forgives the sins of His slaves time and time again.

16. Al-Qahhar: The Subduer who has the perfect Power and is not unable over anything.

17. Al-Wahhab: The One who is Generous in giving plenty without any return.

18. Ar-Razzaq: The One who gives everything that benefits whether Halal or Haram.

19. Al-Fattah: The One who opens for His slaves the closed worldy and religious matters.

20. Al-^Alim: The Knowledgeable; The One nothing is absent from His knowledge.

21. Al-Qabid and 22. Al-Basit: The One who constricts the sustenance by His wisdom and expands and widens it with His Generosity and Mercy.

23. Al-Khafid and 24. Ar-Rafi^: The One who lowers whoever He willed by His Destruction and raises whoever He willed by His Endowment.

25. Al-Mu^iz and 26. Al-Muthil: He gives esteem to whoever He willed, hence there is no one to degrade Him; And He degradeswhoever He willed, hence there is no one to give Him esteem.

27. As-Sami^: The One who Hears all things that are heard by His Eternal Hearing without an ear, instrument or organ.

28. Al-Basir: The One who Sees all things that are seen by His Eternal Seeing without a pupil or any otherinstrument.

29. Al-Hakam: He is the Ruler and His judgment is His Word.

30. Al-^Adl: The One who is entitled to do what He does.

31. Al-Latif: The One who is kind to His slaves and endows upon them.

32. Al-Khabir: The One who knows the truth of things.

33. Al-Halim: The One who delays the punishment for those who deserve it and then He might forgive them.

34. Al-^Azim: The One deserving the attributes of Exaltment, Glory, Extolement,and Purity from all imperfection.

35. Al-Ghafur: The One who forgives a lot.

36. Ash-Shakur: The One who gives a lot of reward for a little obedience.

37. Al-^Aliyy: The One who is clear from the attributes of the creatures.

38. Al-Kabir: The One who is greater than everything in status.

39. Al-Hafiz: The One who protects whatever and whoever He willed to protect.

40. Al-Muqit: The One who has the Power.

41. Al-Hasib: The One who gives the satisfaction.

42. Aj-Jalil: The One who is attributed with greatness of Power and Glory of status.

43. Al-Karim: The One who is clear from abjectness.

44. Ar-Raqib: The One that nothing is absent from Him. Hence it's meaning is related to the attribute ofKnowledge.

45. Al-Mujib: The One who answers the one in need if he asks Him and rescues the yearner if he calls upon Him.

46. Al-Wasi^: The Knowledgeable.

47. Al-Hakim: The One who is correct in His doings.

48. Al-Wadud: The One who loves His believing slaves and His believing slaves love Him. His love to His slavesis His Will to be merciful to them and praise them:Hence it's meaning is related to the attributes of the Will and Kalam (His attribute with which He orders and forbids and spoke to Muhammad and Mu sa -peace be upon them- . It is not a sound nor a language nor a letter).

49. Al-Majid: The One who is with perfect Power, High Status, Compassion, Generosity and Kindness.

50. Al-Ba^ith: The One who resurrects His slaves after death for reward and/or punishment.

51. Ash-Shahid: The One who nothing is absent from Him.

52. Al-Haqq: The One who truly exists.

53. Al-Wakil: The One who gives the satisfaction and is relied upon.

54. Al-Qawiyy: The One with the complete Power.

55. Al-Matin: The One with extreme Power which is un-interrupted and He does not get tired.

56. Al-Waliyy: The Supporter.

57. Al-Hamid: The praised One who deserves to be praised.

58. Al-Muhsi: The One who the count of things are known to him.

59. Al-Mubdi': The One who started the human being. That is, He created him.

60. Al-Mu^id: The One who brings back the creatures after death.

61. Al-Muhyi: The One who took out a living human from semen that does not have a soul. He gives life bygiving the souls back to the worn out bodies on the resurrection day and He makes the hearts alive by the light of knowledge.

62. Al-Mumit: The One who renders the living dead.

63. Al-Hayy: The One attributed with a life that is unlike our life and is not that of a combination of soul, fleshor blood.

64. Al-Qayyum: The One who remains and does not end.

65. Al-Wajid: The Rich who is never poor. Al-Wajd is Richness.

66. Al-Majid: The One who is Majid.

67. Al-Wahid: The One without a partner.

68. As-Samad: The Master who is relied upon in matters and reverted to in ones needs.

69. Al-Qadir: The One attributed with Power.

70. Al-Muqtadir: The One with the perfect Power that nothing is withheld from Him.

71. Al-Muqaddim and 72. Al-Mu'akhkhir: The One who puts things in their right places. He makes ahead what He wills and delays what He wills.

73. Al-'Awwal: The One whose Existence is without a beginning.

74. Al-'Akhir: The One whose Existence is without an end.

75. Az-Zahir 76. Al-Batin: The One that nothing is above Him and nothing is underneath Him, hence He exists without aplace. He, The Exalted, His Existence is obvious by proofs and He is clear from the delusions of attributesof bodies.

77. Al-Wali: The One who owns things and manages them.

78. Al-Muta^ali: The One who is clear from the attributes of the creation.

79. Al-Barr: The One who is kind to His creatures, who covered them with His sustenance and specified however He willed among them by His support, protection, and special mercy.

80. At-Tawwab: The One who grants repentance to whoever He willed among His creatures and accepts his repentance.

81. Al-Muntaqim: The One who victoriously prevails over His enemies and punishes them for their sins. It maymean the One who destroys them.

82. Al-^Afuww: The One with wide forgiveness.

83. Ar-Ra'uf: The One with extreme Mercy. The Mercy of Allah is His will to endow upon whoever He willedamong His creatures.

84. Malik Al-Mulk: The One who controls the Dominion and gives dominion to whoever He willed.

85. Thul-Jalal wal-Ikram: The One who deserves to be Exalted and not denied.

86. Al-Muqsit: The One who is Just in His judgment.

87. Aj-Jami^: The One who gathers the creatures on a day that there is no doubt about, that is the Day of
Judgment.

88. Al-Ghaniyy: The One who does not need the creation.

89. Al-Mughni: The One who satisfies the necessities of the creatures.

90. Al-Mani^: The Supporter who protects and gives victory to His pious believers. Al-Mu'tiy The Withholder

91. Ad-Darr and 92. An-Nafi^: The One who makes harm reach to whoever He willed and benefit to whoever He willed.

93. An-Nur: The One who guides.

94. Al-Hadi: The One whom with His Guidance His belivers were guided, and with His Guidance the living: beings have been guided to what is beneficial for them and protected from what is harmful to them.

95. Al-Badi^: The One who created the creation and formed it without any preceding example.

96. Al-Baqi: The One that the state of non-existence is impossible for Him.

97. Al-Warith: The One whose Existence remains.

98. Ar-Rashid: The One who guides.

99. As-Sabur: The One who does not quickly punish the sinners.

 

[GuestFellow]

It is your view that Allah creates some of us intending us to go to hell? He doesn't want everybody to be saved?

Allah would like to see all of us to be saved. Accepting Islam will benefit us in this world and the next world. You have a choice to accept it or not, it's your responsibility.

 

[aamirsaab]

That is a very good point aamisraab. Perhaps God wishse us to have the experience of seeking and perhaps the seeking is valuable in some way.

I happen to have my own theory on our existence on an individual level. Won't detail it here cus it's off-topic (and will most likely cause a derailment) but if you want we can discuss it in PMs.

This prompts me to ask you what you think Allah should/does do with those who seek honestly but come to the wrong answers? Do you think that Allah makes us know the truth just after we die and then judges if we will follow him at that point (presuming we have lived a good and just life)? Or do you believe that he will punish people for not worshiping him even though they did not believe in him (or believed in other gods)?

Let me start by saying I don't know what God will do with such people. But, what I do know is God will judge us as individuals and it will be extensive. I also know that He is the most merciful and that His decision is final and I accept that completely.

I also know that to attain admittance to Heaven requires the belief in the oneness of Allah as the bare minimum; a prerequisite if you will. The other half of the equation comes from the balance struck between good and bad deeds (if good is greater, then God permitting, heaven will be granted to you; if not well it's a stay in hell...for sometime anyway).

Now I have never seen nor spoken to a man who calls himself a muslim, believes in the oneness of Allah and at the same time behaves completely counter to Islam. To me that combination cannot exist; if you truly believe in the oneness of Allah then you will act accordingly (and thus Islamically). If not, you are a hypocrite and thus your prerequisite is forfit.

 

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

By telling God to do a better job do you mean by him showing a more clearer sign so that the whole purpose of a "test" becomes pointless?

"Those who do not know say, "Why does Allah not speak to us or there come to us a sign?" Thus spoke those before them like their words. Their hearts resemble each other. We have shown clearly the signs to a people who are certain [in faith]." - [2:18]

"Will they wait until Allah comes to them in canopies of clouds, with angels (in His train) and the question is (thus) settled? but to Allah do all questions go back (for decision)." - [2:210]

End of the day, we weren't made for the "fun" of it, there is a purpose, a test. You as an Athiest might find it ridiculous to see or hear that so many people convert to Islam, amongst them intellects. The testit set out perfectly, the communications were all done perfectly, there's little to question unless your mind's already set on a certain idea...

 

[Pygoscelis]

The test is not set out perfectly, nor the communication done perfectly or to the fullest extent of what an all powerful being could do.

In fact, all that false myth and stories have are people and books making claims, and yet the real all powerful God chooses to communicate in the exact same manner... and you say he wishes to be understood and believed more than those false myths and stories?

Maybe he doesn't wish to be believed and understood by all, as the gentleman a few posts above was saying.

 

[IAmZamzam]

And yet you still claim not to be making appeals to probability!

Those who are genuinely, truly, really incapable of grasping anything are not held accountable for grasping it. Yet most of the claims of incoherency in religion I've seen from the nonreligious are just their own forced semantic squabbling. If there is anything you would like to understand then you can always feel free to ask us instead of just sitting there saying that it doesn't matter since God should place understanding in your head already.

 

[Zafran]

The test is not set out perfectly, nor the communication done perfectly or to the fullest extent of what an all powerful being could do.

In fact, all that false myth and stories have are people and books making claims, and yet the real all powerful God chooses to communicate in the exact same manner... and you say he wishes to be understood and believed more than those false myths and stories?

Maybe he doesn't wish to be believed and understood by all, as the gentleman a few posts above was saying.

How do you know of what extent the all powerful could do and could not - you know more then the all powerful and the all knowing or are you limited?

God communicates for humanities own Good - but if you think you know best then so be it - we'll find out when we all die who knew best.

As I said if you have made up your own mind this talk is preety meaningless.

 

[Pygoscelis]

How do you know of what extent the all powerful could do and could not

If he's all powerful then by definition there is no could not.

 

[Zafran]

If he's all powerful then by definition there is no could not.

By definition as your limited - what do you know what a perfect method of communication is or what should be the best mode of communciation to man? Only the all wise knows that.

 

[Pygoscelis]

By definition as your limited - what do you know what a perfect method of communication is or what should be the best mode of communciation to man? Only the all wise knows that.

Indeed. As I said, perhaps there is a reason for all of the tension and strife caused by unclear and competing books and prophets. I don't know what that would be.

 

[Zafran]

Indeed. As I said, perhaps there is a reason for all of the tension and strife caused by unclear and competing books and prophets. I don't know what that would be.

Books and prophets are preety clear - its humans that make things unclear by thinking they know better.

 

[Trumble]

Those who are genuinely, truly, really incapable of grasping anything are not held accountable for grasping it. Yet most of the claims of incoherency in religion I've seen from the nonreligious are just their own forced semantic squabbling.

Odd.. that's much the same as most of the comments made here about the Trinity.^o)

 

[Ramadhan]

The problem with atheists is that they think their intellect and wisdom can explain everything in this universe and beyond, and in fact, many, as pygo and trumble have shown here, they use their wisdom as a standard what god should do.

This reminds me of my little nephews and nieces, who, often complain to their parents why they need to do this and not that while their limited intelect and wisdom say the opposite that they should do that and not this.

Now compare that with our limited intelligence and wisdom against God's who by definition have unlimited intelligence and wisdom.

 

[M.I.A.]

This reminds me of my little nephews and nieces, who, often complain to their parents why they need to do this and not that while their limited intelect and wisdom say the opposite that they should do that and not this.

and this is the world we live in.
although nobody thinks of there own intellect and wisdom as limited.

 

[Pygoscelis]

The problem with atheists is that they think their intellect and wisdom can explain everything in this universe and beyond,

Not so much. I don't know everything. I doubt anybody else does either. I also do not claim to be able to figure everything out. I do ask questions and explore ideas though. And I try to avoid logical pitfalls like appeals to authority.

 

[Lynx]

The problem with atheists is that they think their intellect and wisdom can explain everything in this universe and beyond, and in fact, many, as pygo and trumble have shown here, they use their wisdom as a standard what god should do.

This reminds me of my little nephews and nieces, who, often complain to their parents why they need to do this and not that while their limited intelect and wisdom say the opposite that they should do that and not this.

Now compare that with our limited intelligence and wisdom against God's who by definition have unlimited intelligence and wisdom.

don't you use your own intellect and wisdom when you argue against christians and jews? in that context you are guilty of the same arrogance that you are accusing atheists of. i think the only explanation of your apparent inconsistency is that you don't like your personal beliefs being questioned.

 

[IAmZamzam]

Odd.. that's much the same as most of the comments made here about the Trinity.^o)

And if a Christian were saying it in response to a claim (even a merely insinuated one) that no doctrine as incomprehensible as the Trinity could possibly be true then that would be a cogent analogy. But that's never the argument, is it?