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America was *never* a theocracy or even based on religion. It was based on freedom of religion, but never religion itself. Hence seperation of church and state. What these fundies are trying to do is make America into the western Iran.
That is what the video is trying to show and that is what people should be weary of.
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I believe what he was referring to are the Christian roots of traditional America. Many people, myself included, believe that this country is not the same country it was even 50 years ago. Some of the changes have been good, i.e. the civil rights advances and so forth, but many changes have also been bad. The breakdown of the family, the apathy towards abortion, the hostility towards anything Christian in the public arena...those things and more lead many Christians to involve themselves more in the political arena.
Seeing how the founding fathers were pretty much all deists and fought conservative christians, Id say everything is how it should be. Secular.
What the christians today in America are trying to do is the same as the Israelis did to the occupied territories or what the fundie muslims are trying to do over in the middle-east, that is take what isnt theirs.
Founding fathers and constituion are based on secular reasoning and philosophy.
Sorry champ, America was never a christian nation.
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we are not a christian nation, though some christians are trying to make us one. :raging:
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i am most definitely not one to glorify christians.
but you are way off here. no religious people of any religion condone these things. for that matter, not all non-religious people do either.
western does not equal christian!
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Sorry, but that isn't based in any shade of reality. The founding fathers did not fight "conservative Christians" on the issue of the religious roots and makeup of the United States. What the didn't want was a Catholic, Anglican, or Lutheran Church of the United States. It is simply historical revisionism to pretend the founding fathers didn't recognize and promote the Christian character of the nation.
As for what the "Christians" are trying to do in the U.S. being the same as Zionists and extremist Muslims...how? By participating in the political process? Because they hold demonstrations? What exactly are you referring to?
*cough*
However it originated, it was undeniably a part of the treaty as approved by President John Adams and Secretary of State Timothy Pickering and ratified by the Senate by a unanimous vote.
Article 11, reads:
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
For an in-depth discussion check out http://foru.ms/t5804444-constitution-of-america-bill-of-rights-god-the-framers.html
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You're joking, yes?
The state was created to be "home of the Jews", and all Jews were (and are they still?) given citizenship just for showing up and often given land as well. Any state that gives THAT much favouratism towards one religious group borders on theocracy, no matter how much they try to look secular to please the west.
I watched all three of them and didnt like them. They were such a waste of time. For the muslim one, they spent 75% of the time in Iran and the other 25% of the time with Osama bin Laden. Now sure, its called "God's Warriors" And osama claims to be one of them, but shouldnt they FIRST show what is actually RIGHT, then show what people in the religoun are doing WRONG?
And another thing, they should really differenciate between the Shiites and the Sunnis. Im sure that the time they spent in Iran would confuse the unesucated or non muslim viewer, making ALL muslims out as baboons who bang their chests.
And let me just state this now, el7amdillah i wasnt born a shi3a
Waiting for the resurection of the "Imam". Give me a break.
And that lady that was like "I was once penniless. I prayed to imam Hussein and found lots of money in my drawer." Why doesnt she just pray to God?`
And another thing, they should really differenciate between the Shiites and the Sunnis. Im sure that the time they spent in Iran would confuse the unesucated or non muslim viewer, making ALL muslims out as baboons who bang their chests.
And let me just state this now, el7amdillah i wasnt born a shi3a
Waiting for the resurection of the "Imam". Give me a break.And that lady that was like "I was once penniless. I prayed to imam Hussein and found lots of money in my drawer." Why doesnt she just pray to God?`
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Yes. I was left with the same impression.
And I'm not sure its a deliberate thing either. They could be just that ignorant. I spoke about it to a christian friend of mine and her response was "They didn't show christian terrorism because there isn't any today".
How is this intolerance? Im saying my complete and humble opinion a forum. Intolerant would be going outside with a huge sign that said that, or had i yelled at someone for doing it infront of me.
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If you can't see it, you need help. :skeleton:
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As to this "USA founded on Christianity business", you need to keep in mind that the country was loosely Christian but mostly secular until McCarthyism which is when it got nutty Christian. That is when God went on the money and in the pledge.
The 60s pushed against that and so did non-christian immigrants in the force of multi-culturalism.
But God is still on the money and in the pledge and the few attempts to remove it have been overwhelmingly shouted down. The USA is more christian crazy than it was orignially intended to be.
That said, I don't really care, as I don't live there
I do care about my own nutty constitution though, which also refers to the holy (which in this case is at least mostly a relic from old brittish rule)
The 60s pushed against that and so did non-christian immigrants in the force of multi-culturalism.
But God is still on the money and in the pledge and the few attempts to remove it have been overwhelmingly shouted down. The USA is more christian crazy than it was orignially intended to be.
That said, I don't really care, as I don't live there
I do care about my own nutty constitution though, which also refers to the holy (which in this case is at least mostly a relic from old brittish rule)
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As to this "USA founded on Christianity business", you need to keep in mind that the country was loosely Christian but mostly secular until McCarthyism which is when it got nutty Christian. That is when God went on the money and in the pledge.
The 60s pushed against that and so did non-christian immigrants in the force of multi-culturalism.
But God is still on the money and in the pledge and the few attempts to remove it have been overwhelmingly shouted down. The USA is more christian crazy than it was orignially intended to be.
That said, I don't really care, as I don't live there
I do care about my own nutty constitution though, which also refers to the holy (which in this case is at least mostly a relic from old brittish rule)
US was founded on Christianity or built rather. Puritans came with their religion, and religion played a major role in US history. The great pure and white man genocide the native lowly indians, the pure white children of god forcing blacks into slavery. the pure white KKK came out and was widely supported by everyone for the most part. the salem witch trials, everything has christianity in it. It wasn't till the civil war that you started to see some separation of state and religion. Even then women were property of husbands as per bible and had no rights, they had to fight for their rights as early as 1930s.