Gog and Magog in China, Mongolia???

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They havn't come the mahdi hasn't even arrived yet by the time they get here Isa would've already come.
 
the reason why scholars say they'll come after dajjal is because of the sequence in the sahih muslim hadith...
 
islam-truth said:
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They havn't come the mahdi hasn't even arrived yet by the time they get here Isa would've already come.
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Yep but there's no surety in saying that they're coming after the mehdi. There's this really good lecture by Imran Hosein that's worth listening to (i'm gonna try and find the website)
 
marge1 said:
the reason why scholars say they'll come after dajjal is because of the sequence in the sahih muslim hadith...
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SAHIH MUSLIM:

Book 041, Number 6932:
Hudhaifa b. Usaid reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) was in an apartment and we were beneath that that he peeped in and said to us: What are you discussing about? We said: (We are discussing about the Last) Hour. Thereupon he said: The Last Hour would not come until the ten signs dppear: land-sliding in the east, and land-sliding in the west, and land-sliding in the peninsula of Arabia, the smoke, the Dajjal, the beast of the earth, Gog and Magog, the rising of the sun from the west and the fire which would emit from the lower part of 'Adan. Shu'ba said that 'Abd al-'Aziz b. Rufai' reported on the authority of Abu Tufail who reported on the authority of Abu Sariha a hadith like this that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) did not make a mention of (the tenth sign) but he said that out of the ten one was the descent of Jesus Christ, son of Mary (peace be upon him), and in another version it is theb lowing of the violent gale which would drive the people to the ocean.




^^ Gog and Maggog are mentioned AFTER dajjal and the beast...

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So are they among us or not? According to the hadith they are not, 'cos dajjal (pseudo messiah) and the beast (dhabbathul ardh) have not appeared..obviuosly.
I have heard about the tribe being barricaded in a cave.... is this mentioned in the qura'n? must look it up now...
 
not mentioned in a cave

but they are mentioned being behind a barrier of metal, a wall the zhul karnain built

look at Surah Kahf
 
al-fateh said:
not mentioned in a cave

but they are mentioned being behind a barrier of metal, a wall the zhul karnain built

look at Surah Kahf
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Even now no1 knows who zhul karnain is... and i dont think its Alexender... no reason why though!


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al-fateh said:
not mentioned in a cave

but they are mentioned being behind a barrier of metal, a wall the zhul karnain built

look at Surah Kahf
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Thanks sister, that helped locate this:



Surah Kahf (18)
83. And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: "I shall recite to you something of his story."

84. Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything.

85. So he followed a way.

86. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allâh) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."

87. He said: "As for him (a disbeliever in the Oneness of Allâh) who does wrong, we shall punish him; and then he will be brought back unto his Lord; Who will punish him with a terrible torment (Hell).

88. "But as for him who believes (in Allâh's Oneness) and works righteousness, he shall have the best reward, (Paradise), and we (Dhul-Qarnain) shall speak unto him mild words (as instructions)."

89. Then he followed another way,

90. Until, when he came to the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We (Allâh) had provided no shelter against the sun.

91. So (it was)! And We knew all about him (Dhul-Qarnain).

92. Then he followed (another) way,

93. Until, when he reached between two mountains, he found, before (near) them (those two mountains), a people who scarcely understood a word.

94. They said: "O Dhul-Qarnain! Verily! Ya'jûj and Ma'jûj (Gog and Magog) are doing great mischief in the land. Shall we then pay you a tribute in order that you might erect a barrier between us and them?"

95. He said: "That (wealth, authority and power) in which my Lord had established me is better (than your tribute). So help me with strength (of men), I will erect between you and them a barrier.

96. "Give me pieces (blocks) of iron," then, when he had filled up the gap between the two mountain-cliffs, he said: "Blow," till when he had made it (red as) fire, he said: "Bring me molten copper to pour over it."

97. So they [Ya'jûj and Ma'jûj (Gog and Magog)] were made powerless to scale it or dig through it.

98. Dhul-Qarnain) said: "This is a mercy from my Lord, but when the Promise of my Lord comes, He shall level it down to the ground. And the Promise of my Lord is ever true."

99. And on that Day [i.e. the Day Ya'jûj and Ma'jûj (Gog and Magog) will come out], We shall leave them to surge like waves on one another, and the Trumpet will be blown, and We shall collect them all together.

100. And on that Day We shall present Hell to the disbelievers, plain to view,

101. (To) Those whose eyes had been under a covering from My Reminder (this Qur'ân), and who could not bear to hear (it).

102. Do then those who disbelieve think that they can take My slaves [i.e., the angels, Allâh's Messengers, 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), etc.] as Auliyâ' (lords, gods, protectors, etc.) besides Me? Verily, We have prepared Hell as an entertainment for the disbelievers (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism).
 
the other day i was watching a documentary on the discovery channel. tribes in the forests of indonesia tell stories of their forefathers explaining how there once lived very short people up in remote caves. they claimed that these "little people" were very savage and beast like, and would often raid local villiages. another thing that caught my attention was that they calimed that the little peole ate everything when they raided the villages. they even named these people based on their savage eating habits.

someof the last old aged survivors to remember these people told the story and even showed the caves where they once lived.

probably not yajooj and majooj...but allah hu alam

no scource, i guess youll just have to take my word.
 
As Much as I know, Yajooj and majooj are trapped inside a Iron wall made be Zhul-qarnain, and they will come out after the appearance of dajjal.

They daily make a hole in the wall, and they say "we will do it tomorrow" and the hole gets closed.
One fine(unfine or us) day, they will say "INSHALLAH will will do it tomorrow" and the hole will remain and many holes will break the wall and they will com out.


Allahu Alim I am no scholar.
 
yajoj and majuj were trapped near the Caucasus mountains, some say they broke out a long time ago, one group is the europeans who converted to judaism (zionists) , they're not short zombie like monsters as some of us believe
 
^ Gog and Magog are Human beings with great minds. Allah has given them so powerful minds that Allah alone can destroy them. (hadeeth-e-Qudsi).
 
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