Good News From Iran!

[MuhammadRizan]

salam.

Liberate? Who said anything about liberation? A simple collapse into economic malaise and stagnation and a turning inward to solve their own problems (instead of pretending they are some kind of regional power) would be sufficient.

Of course, it would be a good chuckle if Amedinajad were set upon by an angry mob in a gasoline queue.

What? i'm wrong? again?

 

[Sinbad]

What's wrong wit aiding Muslims who are being oppressed and occupied?

America & other nations spend money and arms on nations who are battling Muslims, sowing violence and coups around the world.

It's only logical that Iran apply the same policy in order to neutralize Western interference...

Its fine helping muslims and all people. But not when the Iranian people need help first.

And one thing bothers me, The Palestinians hate Iran, they say death to the arabs enemies, Iran, Israel. They love Saddam, and they are pan arabist.

Sadam just gave money to suicide bombers, the pan arab nations like UAE dont give a **** about them. And their ony friend Iran is their enemy.
Palestinians are ungratefull pan arabistic saddam lovers.

 

[barney]

How is Turkey truly "free(ish) when the EU keeps interfering in its internal affairs and demanding that it changes its internal laws?

How is Turkey respected, when the EU refuses to admit her into this exclusive club?

OOH! Sorry! Wont we let a country (that despite being the best of a bad bunch) still hasnt learned that decent human values includes not imprisoning your own people for dissent? Well tough. Get the Human rights sorted out and you can join. simple. Till then turkey is totally and utterly free to do as it wants. it's just if they cant be civilised then theyre not joining the club. It can keep its internal affairs if it so wishes. Better still....form its own club! Kuffar clubs are terrible!

As for the army, yeah, 800000 strong and it deploys a single battalion occassionally whilst weaker nations deploy Brigades, (and thats to help Muslim's in Kosovo).

It's EU Military Nato commitment was ONE brigade. One single Brigade. it withdrew that this febuary. Ohhh! NATO will so miss those 13000 men:rollseyes


All that said..i hope Iran , if It did undergo Revolution, was like Turkey. The Best of the rest.

 

[Sinbad]

Rich & prosperous in what manner? (No disrespect to any Turkish members on this forum).

How is Turkey truly "free(ish) when the EU keeps interfering in its internal affairs and demanding that it changes its internal laws?

How is Turkey respected, when the EU refuses to admit her into this exclusive club?

Turkey is good enough to contribute to NATO, in the defence of Europe (It placed its entire armed forces of 800,000 men--the second largest contribution to NATO, after the U.S.--but it's not good enough to be admitted into the EU).

That's some kind of respect...

I have a great respect for Turkey, Iran is 51% persian, almost 40% turkish. Iran is a land of many people, all proud Iranians. I can understand a little turkish myself.

However I must agree with you, Turkey isnt realy rich, YET! But its on the way and will be very soon. I have visited Turkey I saw a people all working together to improve the nation, its headed on the right direction.

And the EU is racist. When Syria wanted to join the EU, they said "we already have a nation like that on the line". They dont see any diffrence between Turkey or Afghanistan, its all the same to them.

Turkey will however come in, once it goten rich and EU wont hesitate.

 

[Sinbad]

Just wanted to add, the death to America chanting is real. America put the shah tyrant in power. the shah kiled and tortured people.

Iran had a revolution in the 50s, it was democrasy! But America took him of power just as they would in Chile later. America kiled the democrasy.
America threatens to bomb, or even nuke Irans nuclear plants.

If China would have a navy outside of New York, If China would end the democrasy in America, If China would have installed a tyrant...

Would you chant, love China?

ps, they still love the American people.

 

[snakelegs]

Yah, i was meaning more as an oppotuinity for change that they should look to Turkey as a example. Rich prosperous, free(ish), respected, powerful.

You say that Islam is dead in Iran, I would disagree. Hey your Iranian, so you know better than me, but it looks to be flourishing at the grass roots level of the public.
The people chanting "death to America" in their millions are not purely doing it because a lack of support of the government leads to imprisonment. It's because the very framework of the country is built on hate of the infidel to direct attention away from internal decay. (not too keen on the arabs either....poor Iran )

maybe it is not necessarily a love of religion, but an anger that the u.s. is setting the stage to launch an attack on their country. that would not be especially endearing.

 

[Zman]

Simply put, because Hamas's way of freeing the "oppressed" & "Occupied" palastinians, is to deliberatly butcher innocents in some nutty theory that this will solve anything.

That's exactly what the Jewish people did to the Palestinians on their way to forming the state of Israel (and I'm not condoning the killing of civilians)...

 

[barney]

Well what has the US done to set the stage?
Not ruled out any option...

Thats not setting the stage for invasion or even a bombing. It's just not ruling out a option.

Sticking 4 Carrier Battle Groups in the Gulf would set the stage. Setting a deadline would..

Up to press, all the stage setting for an attack has come from Ivehadmedinnerdad ranting about defeating a non-existant attack.

 

[barney]

That's exactly what the Jewish people did to the Palestinians on their way to forming the state of Israel (and I'm not condoning the killing of civilians)...

Both sides were doing it. Now and for a long time , Israel goes out of it's way to use the riot guns on the rioters and the real guns on the "insurgants"

Palastinians go out of their way to hit the Buses the resteraunts the weddings, the shoppers.

Sure fight the Israeli's, fight their army. (nahh, a bit too hard..tried that 4 times and failed, so any jewish blood will do...thats the attitude.

 

[Zman]

still hasnt learned that decent human values includes not imprisoning your own people for dissent?

We have our own ways of taking care of dissenters.

Get the Human rights sorted out

We no longer have the moral authority to speak of human rights.

it's just if they cant be civilised then theyre not joining the club.

It's funny how some Westerners speak of civility, while they commit war crimes against others, and curtail the freedoms of their own people.

Kuffar clubs are terrible!

They sure as hell are...

As for the army, yeah, 800000 strong and it deploys a single battalion occassionally whilst weaker nations deploy Brigades, (and thats to help Muslim's in Kosovo).

That's due to Western insistence on not having a Muslim nation deploy larger units to aid a Muslim minority, nor to police a non-Muslim group (as in Bosnia, with the Serbs).

It's EU Military Nato commitment was ONE brigade. One single Brigade. it withdrew that this febuary. Ohhh! NATO will so miss those 13000 men:rollseyes.

They sure will miss Turkeys help. That's why NATO can't do Jack on the global stage (in Afghanistan, for example, nor could day even handle a crisis on their own turf (Bosnia). They had to run to the Americans, so we can get their house in order, for them.

NATO members are only good for photo ops...

 

[snakelegs]

Well what has the US done to set the stage?
Not ruled out any option...

Thats not setting the stage for invasion or even a bombing. It's just not ruling out a option.

Sticking 4 Carrier Battle Groups in the Gulf would set the stage. Setting a deadline would..

Up to press, all the stage setting for an attack has come from Ivehadmedinnerdad ranting about defeating a non-existant attack.

the u.s. has increased its presence in the gulf. but first you set the ideological stage - that process has been going on for months.
i do not like the government of iran and i find it downright frightening how ahmadinejad and bush share the same love of armeggon prophecy. i don't want a country like iran to have nukes. (actually i don't want any country to have them. but it is a sovereign nation, and a signer of the no proliferation treaty, which israel is not so they have just as much right to have them as israel does.

 

[barney]

We have our own ways of taking care of dissenters.

We no longer have the moral authority to speak of human rights.[/i]

It's funny how some Westerners speak of civility, while they commit war crimes against others, and curtail the freedoms of their own people.

They sure as hell are...[/i]

That's due to Western insistence on not having a Muslim nation deploy larger units to aid a Muslim minority, nor to police a non-Muslim group (as in Bosnia, with the Serbs).

They sure will miss Turkeys help. That's why NATO can't do Jack on the global stage (in Afghanistan, for example, nor could day even handle a crisis on their own turf (Bosnia). They had to run to the Americans, so we can get their house in order, for them.

NATO members are only good for photo ops...

Ominous! Lets see, we stone them or torture em?
Because our Human rights are Inferior to that of Turkey? Or Iran? Or Saudi?
What war Crimes? Iraq? The bombs that missed the targets? All 1.4% of them
Then why is Turkey trying to join? Why do you think it's unfair that they cant? Dont cry about not being able to join something you dont want to!
Research please. NATO asks for troops, Countries offer them.it's Turkeys choice.
NATO had to run to the Americans? Did the Yanks sudenly leave NATO? Also NATO rescued Muslims from Serb genocide and are currently trying their best to rebuild Afganistan. Muslim countries are doing nothing...as usual...except feeding the taliban explosives. Yeah without those 700 troops that Turkey Occasionally throws in, NATO is doomed i tell ya doomed! http://www.axisglobe.com/article.asp?article=580