Guantánamo detainee charged with murder

[MTAFFI]

how the hell did he get there?I am kind of worried if Muslim males the young ones are recruited by al-Qaida;it will harm interests across the Islamic world.
this needs to be stopped somehow.
I don't know whether this was wrong.US forces are in Afghanistan for a really good reason,unlike in Iraq.

I think he came from a family that made this their purpose in life, his brother is paralyzed, his dad is dead, etc. sad really that he didnt even get a chance to see the other side of things, too late now though I am afraid

 

[Cognescenti]

I think he came from a family that made this their purpose in life, his brother is paralyzed, his dad is dead, etc. sad really that he didnt even get a chance to see the other side of things, too late now though I am afraid

Where is his story? I am interested to see how a 15 yr old ends up in this kind of situation. His poor decisions had to have been enabled by adults who should have kept his interests in mind.

 

[MTAFFI]

Where is his story? I am interested to see how a 15 yr old ends up in this kind of situation. His poor decisions had to have been enabled by adults who should have kept his interests in mind.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/khadr/
http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...dr_from_an_al_qaeda_childhood_to_a_gitmo_cell

if you google him you can find out all sorts of things about his crazy family

 

[snakelegs]

hopefully the rest of the dogs in that prison will get tried as well, get them off my tax dollars and put them to sleep or let them go (if innocent)

dogs? put them to sleep?
if you have let your enemy do this to your heart, your enemy has won.
condolences.

 

[Tania]

Glad he is getting his trial hopefully ..get them off my tax dollars and put them to sleep or let them go (if innocent)

I think everything can be said with a proper vocabulary. At least if you are pretending to be a christian. I salute your gesture to wonder how many civilians are daily basis killed from your tax money. May be in future you will take some measures to save lifes too.

 

[MTAFFI]

dogs? put them to sleep?
if you have let your enemy do this to your heart, your enemy has won.
condolences.

as is repeatedly said over and over to me on this forum, this is a war, there is no peace in war, why should I feel sorry for this guy? He is the enemy, I hope he and is family realize their fight has been lost and he will pay for what he did. War is Hell, if this were a US citizen (nick Berg), who isnt EVEN A SOLDIER, there would be people all over this forum telling me how it is war and should be expected, just my way of giving back

 

[MTAFFI]

I think everything can be said with a proper vocabulary. At least if you are pretending to be a christian. I salute your gesture to wonder how many civilians are daily basis killed from your tax money. May be in future you will take some measures to save lifes too.

I am not a traditional christian and maybe you shouldnt look at everyones religion to classify what type of person they are (do you ever think that could be the problem with what is going on in the world today?) As far as civilians killed on my tax dollars I assume you speak of Iraq or Afghan, to this I respond, it is your people who are killing the civilians, not my tax dollars, and afghan is a legitimate war in my mind and I am glad we are there, and to my knowledge the US has killed far less civilians than the people they fight there as well. Maybe if I shout God is Great when he is executed that would make things better, would that suit your proper vocab?

 

[Tania]

I am not a traditional christian and maybe you shouldnt look at everyones religion to classify what type of person they are (do you ever think that could be the problem with what is going on in the world today?) ...Maybe if I shout God is Great when he is executed that would make things better, would that suit your proper vocab?

I don't know what kind of christian are you and what is this traditional christian either.:X
You shall not take
the name of the LORD your God in vain. - TEN COMMANDMENTS

"In times past, cruel practices were commonly used by legitimate governments to maintain law and order, often without protest from the Pastors of the Church, who themselves adopted in their own tribunals the prescriptions of Roman law concerning torture. Regrettable as these facts are, the Church always taught the duty of clemency and mercy. She forbade clerics to shed blood. In recent times it has become evident that these cruel practices were neither necessary for public order, nor in conformity with the legitimate rights of the human person. On the contrary, these practices led to ones even more degrading. It is necessary to work for their abolition. We must pray for the victims and their tormentors." -2298

 

[Cognescenti]

I actually do have some sympathy for this young man after reading what his idiotic father did to him in his jihadi zeal. He has likely had his mind poisoned by his father, radical imams in Toronto who put these kind of ideas in his head and the shockingly cynnical use of him by Al Quaeda and the Taliban.

Imagine the tables were turned. Had he been captured by the Taliban he would have had a quick bullet to the head. With Al Queda, they might have entertained themselves for a bit with electric drills to his kneecaps then finished him off on videotape. Instead he was saved by a US medic.

The question is what do you do with him now? He is damaged goods. People that should have acted in his best interest have instead created a monster. How long does it take for a monster to not be a monster? Do you think his old neighbors in Toronto want him back? How about the current Afghan government? He is not Afghani and would likely be the next "volunteer" to blow up some aid workers or some NATO troops. Would you get on a commercial airliner with this guy?

Let's get real. You guys want Gi'tmo closed? Fine, let's have some suggestions.

 

[MTAFFI]

I don't know what kind of christian are you and what is this traditional christian either.:X
You shall not take
the name of the LORD your God in vain. - TEN COMMANDMENTS

"In times past, cruel practices were commonly used by legitimate governments to maintain law and order, often without protest from the Pastors of the Church, who themselves adopted in their own tribunals the prescriptions of Roman law concerning torture. Regrettable as these facts are, the Church always taught the duty of clemency and mercy. She forbade clerics to shed blood. In recent times it has become evident that these cruel practices were neither necessary for public order, nor in conformity with the legitimate rights of the human person. On the contrary, these practices led to ones even more degrading. It is necessary to work for their abolition. We must pray for the victims and their tormentors." -2298

If you are interested in my beliefs or otherwise you are welcome to PM me to discuss it, I dont want to throw this thread off topic. Also as far as your quote, it is really kind of pointless since our society is a separation of church and state. Also how is saying "God is Great" taking the lords name in vain?

 

[snakelegs]

as is repeatedly said over and over to me on this forum, this is a war, there is no peace in war, why should I feel sorry for this guy? He is the enemy, I hope he and is family realize their fight has been lost and he will pay for what he did. War is Hell, if this were a US citizen (nick Berg), who isnt EVEN A SOLDIER, there would be people all over this forum telling me how it is war and should be expected, just my way of giving back

i was not talking about this guy or your need to feel sorry for him.
i was talking about you can think of other human beings as "dogs" that should "be put to sleep" - which is why i say again, if you have let your enemy do this to your heart - your enemy has won.
of course, once you can think of people as dogs, it doesn't matter that much if they die.

 

[Tania]

Also how is saying "God is Great" taking the lords name in vain?

I shout God is Great when he is executed that would make things better
Read your sentence!

 

[MTAFFI]

i was not talking about this guy or your need to feel sorry for him.
i was talking about you can think of other human beings as "dogs" that should "be put to sleep" - which is why i say again, if you have let your enemy do this to your heart - your enemy has won.
of course, once you can think of people as dogs, it doesn't matter that much if they die.

Snakelegs,

Honestly I cant argue with you much on this, I find you to be in most threads very respectful are caring for human life. However some people look at others differently and I suppose that is where we differ, over the past few weeks I have seen some things that have, to me at least, shown some of the people to be less than human, less than dog even. The idea of another one of these guys being put to death, quite frankly, puts a smile on my face, because it is one less psychopath that I have to worry about in this world. This is a war, people will die in war, it does not make me happy to see war or death, but when someone recieve just punishment for their deeds that makes me happy because it reassures me that evil does not go unpunished.

 

[Muezzin]

Stay on topic please everyone. Just deleted a bunch of spam which has nothing to do with the topic.