h-n's reflections

[h-n]

Re: Forcing people to accept homosexuals

yes im talking to you personally, not to try and hurt you but for you to think of things outside your normal way of thinking.
iv read your other threads, we are locked into our ways of thinking but the ideas must expand over time.. you know more than you did yesterday about your religion, your god, the world, the people of the world...and this should be reflected in your threads. if this is not the case then we have stopped learning...you cant possibly know everything. i get my ass kicked all the time...its part of learning i guess.

i have my own thread...not much interest im afraid lol.

I certainly don't have to waste time repeating myself, I have come on an Islamic website to talk about Islam, and NOT here to talk about myself, neither will I be changing myself. Refrain from derailing the thread, if you don't like it you don't need to read it.

Islam is the SAME, one God, the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell, it does NOT change over time. Yes we are heading towards the Major signs of the Day of Judgement, we are here to be tested, as people aforetime have received the same message, Islam is simple and basic to understand.

 

[h-n]

Re: Forcing people to accept homosexuals

Im confused what is this thread about
first you sadi this


then this??????



Im not trying to be disrespectful Sis Im just confused.....???

As stated I have already posted some other threads, which I have also done today called "Homosexuality and hollywood" and "Homosexuality influence in the West", this is another thread about being forced to accept homosexuality, I could have placed them in one thread, but wanted to put it seperately.

So I have highlighted on those two other threads some of the influences and what they are doing, ie in the film industry, politics. Were people can add on more news, influences that they have heard of. So now this thread is just higlilghting that we are being forced to accept their way of living as the norm. They wish for us to leave Islam just so we can accept their way of living as the norm, this thread is a follow up from the "Freedom and evil acceptance" thread in the General section, which explains more on the fact that they are not happy with us just tolerating them, but want more from us, for us to accept them the way they are.

 

[M.I.A.]

Re: Forcing people to accept homosexuals

you are correct, islam does not change and niether does god (says so in the quran) and niether do his people.
six billion people, all confident and unwavering in who they are and that god is on there side. wonder why i even open my mouth sometimes.

 

[Lynx]

Re: Apostasy (why I would deserve to die)

Iblis has and always will believe in Allah because has undeniable proof of his existence.

So Iblis's position is vastly different than any other human being alive today, unless you think Muslims have met God.

If all Muslims could meet God in the heavens like Iblis supposedly did, then I doubt you'd have a problem of apostasy LOL

 

[h-n]

Re: Forcing people to accept homosexuals

you are correct, islam does not change and niether does god (says so in the quran) and niether do his people.
six billion people, all confident and unwavering in who they are and that god is on there side. wonder why i even open my mouth sometimes.

Thank-you, I let you know that;-

1. I do not run a religious group etc getting people to sit here with me to talk about the End times, frankly I sit alone doing this, as I am aware that people don't always want to talk of the End times subject. So I am happy to say that I have not depressed anyone in stopping them from getting on with their existance in this world. It is of course upto people to be comfortable with knowing of the end times and getting on with their existance. Which I cannot do for them.
2. I respect people to do what they want to do in life, ie if that is painting, writing etc. I do not get involved and tell people not to do what they want to do. Which of course I respect my family members wanting to do what they want to do in this existance.
3. When I come on an Islamic website, of course I am here to talk about Islam, and largely keep myself to my own threads. So if I talk about the "Collapse of these countries" thread-it is labelled as such, people can choose from what they want to read on this forum. I don't impose myself on others.
4. As long as you learn, and it is up to you what you want to do in this existance ie what career, hobby you want. AS LONG as you don't get surprised and caught off guard when we go to the Major signs of the Day of Judgement and you would have to join the Mahdi and the Prophet Jesus peace be upon him, even if you are not alive till then and of course remember that you need to do what you can to protect yourself from the tortures of the grave, it is a serious time, so to tell others to help them be strong in Islam. Of course the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him warned us of events in the future, when he would not be around.

So to take Islamic understanding/knowledge, and choose what you want to do in this existance without transgressing the limits in Islam, and fufilling your Islamic duties ie praying 5 times a day. I of course am not stopping you from doing what you want, but if I also talked about "how to live in this world" (when its upto people what they want to choose), with talking about the End times, then people would not look at it seriously. It is a serious subject, and I only want to provide you with information that I have to help you not to be fooled by what is going on in this world and to help you not to be lead astray. Thank-you for your time.

 

[Muhaba]

Re: Forcing people to accept homosexuals

So what are we going to do about it? How are we going to counter this problem?

Personally, I thought copying the story of the nation of Prophet Lut (A.S) from the Quraan and giving it out in areas where there are many homos might be a good idea. In this way you inform them that what they are doing is wrong, inform them about Islam (you can add a bit about the main beliefs of Islam at the end of the leaflet) and you show them that God's wrath had befallen those who practiced this and God's wrath can befall them as well. Maybe someone will come to guidance. If not, then at least they will have been preached to.

 

[tango92]

Re: Apostasy (why I would deserve to die)

simply it is Allahs better judgement

 

[M.I.A.]

Re: Forcing people to accept homosexuals

So what are we going to do about it? How are we going to counter this problem?

Personally, I thought copying the story of the nation of Prophet Lut (A.S) from the Quraan and giving it out in areas where there are many homos might be a good idea. In this way you inform them that what they are doing is wrong, inform them about Islam (you can add a bit about the main beliefs of Islam at the end of the leaflet) and you show them that God's wrath had befallen those who practiced this and God's wrath can befall them as well. Maybe someone will come to guidance. If not, then at least they will have been preached to.

you can do better than that!

you see many people each day, maybe for a few minutes to a few seconds to hours and days... if you try to remain constant and only do things for the sake of allah hopefully even in those brief moments they will see something in you they like and take from you.
if its the way you treat people, the way you talk, the way you act...first impressions count and sincerity shows.
although being constant can take a lifetime to learn and the moment you rage is probably the moment you should have kept your nerve.
a constant struggle.

 

[h-n]

Re: Forcing people to accept homosexuals

So what are we going to do about it? How are we going to counter this problem?

Personally, I thought copying the story of the nation of Prophet Lut (A.S) from the Quraan and giving it out in areas where there are many homos might be a good idea. In this way you inform them that what they are doing is wrong, inform them about Islam (you can add a bit about the main beliefs of Islam at the end of the leaflet) and you show them that God's wrath had befallen those who practiced this and God's wrath can befall them as well. Maybe someone will come to guidance. If not, then at least they will have been preached to.

You can do that if you want, but safely.

I on the other hand as per "Freedon and evil acceptance" "Collapse of these countries", "Sinners being destroyed and a good job too", "Non-Muslims and Islam", "Turning to Islam" thread, already accept that people have a fair test, and people already know what sinful behaviour that they are commiting, and believe 100% that they will be destroyed. I'm just letting Muslims know on Islamic websites to help them if they need to on issues, that not to be fooled as they are not innocent and neither are people who support them, they are quick to side with sinful people but go against the good religious people instead, no brainer. Even the homosexuals at the time of Prophet Lut peace be upon him stated that the Prophet would like us to be good, pure as stated in the Quran;-

And Lut, when he said to his tribe: "Do you commit an obscenity not perpetrated before you by anyone in all the worlds? You come with lust to men instead of women. You are indeed a depraved tribe." The only answer of his tribe was to say: "Expel them from your city! They are people who keep themselves pure!" So We rescued him and his family-except for his wife. She was one of those who stayed behind. We rained down a rain upon them. See the final fate of the evildoers!
(Qur`an, 7:80-84)


So they already know that they are siding with evil its a no brainer, Muslims are not drinking, being lewd, just worshipping Allah-and they are going against us in a way, that would only be befitting if they were going against the homosexuals etc. Even in Israel they held a Gay parade and they do have bars etc, so they are more acceptable then allowing Muslims to live in Jeruslam?? I would not be doing anything, as I already with the other threads, already accept that they are coming to an end, and I don't underestimate what Allah has already provided them with. Last post on this on thread, but if you do have anything to say in this post, please read the other threads that I have already quoted first.

 

[tango92]

Re: Apostasy (why I would deserve to die)

Iblis has and always will believe in Allah because has undeniable proof of his existence.

So Iblis's position is vastly different than any other human being alive today, unless you think Muslims have met God.

If all Muslims could meet God in the heavens like Iblis supposedly did, then I doubt you'd have a problem of apostasy LOL

thats the whole point, as a muslim i have undeniable proof of gods existence. that is the universe around us and the soul that is in us. once you become a muslim this becomes crystal clear to you. i cannot expect any non muslim to understand the belief in god that a true muslim believer has. so i cannot expect you to understand how great it is to literally ignore this..

your ending satement is also mistaken. suppose you met me today, 2 yrs later you could easily forget me. the same is with god, we are created in such a fashion as to be forgetful. or in the case of an apostate deliberately psh Allah out of your mind...

 

[h-n]

Re: Apostasy (why I would deserve to die)

Iblis has and always will believe in Allah because has undeniable proof of his existence.

So Iblis's position is vastly different than any other human being alive today, unless you think Muslims have met God.

If all Muslims could meet God in the heavens like Iblis supposedly did, then I doubt you'd have a problem of apostasy LOL

Acutally we wholeheartedly accept Islam and Allah exists it is FACT. Also don't turn this thread into I don't believe in Allah. Everytime a Muslim talks about Islam, you can't go into every thread turning it into "I don't beleive". Why say there wouldn't be a problem with apostasy when Iblis has already become evil?? Already explained more about Devils in the "Devils" thread anyway, and "Satan refusing to prostrate" were talked about him being rebellious.

1. The magicians at Pharoah's court were willing to have their hands and feet chopped off from alternative sides because they took it as FACT that it is better then going into the fires of Hell. THIS they took as FACT!!!

2. Muslims have been persecuted, and we joinined with Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and he was POOR in terms of materialistic living in this world, so we did NOT join him to be rich in this world. So we did not care for this world for an idea, but that Allah exists!

3. WE fast for a whole month, pray 5 times a day etc as it is FACT that Allah exists, not because we have an idea that Allah exists! We are also ready to die whilst we are Muslims not because we have an "idea" that Allah exists, but because it is FACT that he does!!!!!!!!!!

4. Muslims at the time of Prophet Noah peace be upon him did not leave this world, but they accepted as FACT, that there will be a flood and to go with the Prophet, now if they cared about living in this world, they wouldn't have easily given up their homes etc, they did not give up everything for an idea that Allah may exist.

WE SAY THAT ALLAH EXISTS, IT IS A FACT TO ME AND TO OTHER MUSLIMS, JUST AS YOU TAKE IT AS FACT THAT THERE ARE ORANGES AND APPLES IN THIS WORLD, BUT TO US, IT IS EVEN MORE SO (AS THIS WORLD IS TEMPORARY)!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last post on this thread, also do not derail to turn it into I don't believe!!!! That is ridiculous, you cannot turn evey Islamic information into "I don't believe"!!!

 

[Muhaba]

Re: Forcing people to accept homosexuals

even still Allah sent Prophet Lut A.S to preach to them. So it's necessary to at least let them know that what they are doing is wrong and God will punish them, if not in this world then in the next. I feel that it's a muslim's job to let them know this.

 

[Trumble]

Re: Forcing people to accept homosexuals

Homosexuals however, are not accepting that others do not like their behaviour and actually have done a lot and to get people to accept them the way they are, not only tolerate them but actually accept their way of life as the norm.

Generally homosexuals accept that many do not 'like' their behavior, that being a matter of obvious fact. As those people are under no obligation to participate in that behaviour, however, it really is none of their business. The only 'toleration' sought is avoiding disadvantage in life because those people don't 'like' their sexual habits, just as others seek it in the case of gender, race or disability. I really doesn't matter whether you and your ilk 'accept' them or not, what is important is that you be denied the 'right' to prejudicial behaviour, or forcing your own take on morality down other peoples throats.

So the homosexuals have been doing what the West have been accusing the Muslims of, forcing people to accept their "way".

Sorry, I don't see where 'forcing' is involved. Do you know anyone forced into homosexual activity? I don't know anyone forced to be a muslim.

 

[abu salaahudeen]

Re: Satan refusing to prostrate.

JazakAllahuKhayr for the post


shaytaan is an expert in his own field

 

[Lynx]

Re: Apostasy (why I would deserve to die)

thats the whole point, as a muslim i have undeniable proof of gods existence. that is the universe around us and the soul that is in us. once you become a muslim this becomes crystal clear to you. i cannot expect any non muslim to understand the belief in god that a true muslim believer has. so i cannot expect you to understand how great it is to literally ignore this..


your ending satement is also mistaken. suppose you met me today, 2 yrs later you could easily forget me. the same is with god, we are created in such a fashion as to be forgetful. or in the case of an apostate deliberately psh Allah out of your mind...

can you forget an ex wife? or ex husband? can you forget your father or mother? don't think so. given that, you're telling me a person can forget the being that CREATED THEM and their SOUL?! I think you just don't like to admit that non-believers don't deliberately NOT believe in Islam.

and so the OP does not think i am derailing the thread, this is precisely why death for apostasy, under the OP's justification is not a good thing.

 

[-Fallen Angel-]

Re: Apostasy (why I would deserve to die)

can you forget an ex wife? or ex husband? can you forget your father or mother? don't think so. given that, you're telling me a person can forget the being that CREATED THEM and their SOUL?! I think you just don't like to admit that non-believers don't deliberately NOT believe in Islam.

and so the OP does not think i am derailing the thread, this is precisely why death for apostasy, under the OP's justification is not a good thing.

Didn't you read the above post? He said don't turn it into an "I don't believe" thread... :/

 

[h-n]

Re: Forcing people to accept homosexuals

Generally homosexuals accept that many do not 'like' their behavior, that being a matter of obvious fact. As those people are under no obligation to participate in that behaviour, however, it really is none of their business. The only 'toleration' sought is avoiding disadvantage in life because those people don't 'like' their sexual habits, just as others seek it in the case of gender, race or disability. I really doesn't matter whether you and your ilk 'accept' them or not, what is important is that you be denied the 'right' to prejudicial behaviour, or forcing your own take on morality down other peoples throats.




Sorry, I don't see where 'forcing' is involved. Do you know anyone forced into homosexual activity? I don't know anyone forced to be a muslim.

Pathetic!!!! How stupid of people saying "down people's throats", or when they say they "bend over backwards" for others, when people like you if you have not repented, will know what goes down your throat of boiling water and when you are bent over backwards when you are in HELL!!

1. It is a FACT, that homosexuals are forcing others to accept their way of living, for you to deny this, just shows how stupid you are. They even adopt children, so forcing children to accept their way of life as being the "norm". It is not about being treated in a bad way, but getting others not only to "tolerate" them but going further to get people to "accept" that their way is the "norm". Which is where they want children to learn about their sexual behaviour at School to say its normal for people to be that way etc.

2. How deficient in intelligence, when did I say people are forced in homosexuality in this thread? There are people who have been. BUT this thread is about homosexuals wanting people to go a step further from tolerating them to accepting them as normal.

3. Prophets Jesus, Lut, Muhammad, Moses, Noah peace be upon them came with a message from Allah. Homosexuality is unacceptable and an EVIL ACT!!! Not an innocent way and choice of living but being EVIL!!!

The homosexuals are not better then Prophet Lut, Jesus, Moses peace be upon them etc that we are going to listen to them,

You are not better then the Prophets Lut, Jesus, Moses peace be upon them etc that we are going to listen to your stupidity over the Prophets.

Refer to "Freedom and evil acceptance" thread.

Also read on Islam, before blabbering a lot of rubbish, my last post on this thread now.

 

[h-n]

Non-Muslims cannot even....

They cannot even name one Man who is better (or say they are better that we are going to listen to them over the Prophets) then ie the;-

Prophet Jesus peace be upon him,
Prophet Lut peace be upon him,
Prophet Moses peace be upon him,
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him,
Prophet David peace be upon him,
Prophet Solomon peace be upon him,
Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him.

So then they should ;-

1. Name one Man who we should listen to more then Prophet Jesus, Solomon peace be upon them etc.

2. Say that they themselves are better then Prophet Jesus, David, Moses peace be upon them that we should listen to them over the Prophets.

They say they reject Islam, but mentally they cannot even think, name ONE MAN who is better then the Prophets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now if Islam meant nothing to them, then why can they not simply name one Man who is better then Prophets Jesus, Ibrahim , Moses peace be them etc? As stated this is because they ALL know that Allah exists and they are REJECTORS OF TRUTH (which is what Allah has stated in the Quran) as per the "No such things as Athesim" thread!!! If they are so truthful then name one (and tell us that by following them they are not going to the fires of Hell, and that they will be safe from the Day of Judgement), name one which of course they cannot as there is no one better then any of the Prophets!!!!!


Allah be praised, the Lord of the Universe, Master of the Day of Judgement, our Lord who is one!

Of course they are not better then the Prophets, and neither would we listen to their rubbish over what the Prophets had taught us!! They are quick to listen to other people rather then Prophets Jesus, Ibrahim peace be upon them for example! In clear error they are in! Even willing to side with homosexuality rather then side with what any of the Prophets have taught us, are they going to say that a homosexual is better then Prophets Jesus, Ibrahim, Moses peace be upon them? Nay, in clear error they are in, and if they desist not, then to Hell they go!!!!!!

Even the magicians at Pharoah's court said to Pharaoh we are not going to listen to you over the Prophets, and they had their hands and feet chopped off at alternative sides, and neither would we listen to them above the Prophets, the BEST OF MEN!!!!!!!!

 

[Tyrion]

Re: Non-Muslims cannot even....

I don't want to sound rude sister, but please stop trolling...

 

[Amoeba]

Re: Non-Muslims cannot even....

Many non-muslims, particularly atheists, don't think anyone is any better than another, including in terms of piety and righteousness. It is also easy for many non-muslims especially those without any religious faith to have a very low opinion of humanity, and it may be beyond their comprehension that people such as the prophets (peace be upon them all) existed or that they were even prophets at all.

This ties in with lack of faith that a supreme omnipotent being - Allah subhana wa ta-ala - exists. That's where I have to disagree with you that they all know Allah exists. Some actually don't. I didn't until maybe about half a year ago. It wasn't arrogance or lack of acceptance, I genuinely had no reason, understanding or knowledge to believe. I did know that "some poeple believe in God" but I didn't know who or what this "God" was and I sincerely thought it was as made-up as the tooth fairy. This is me saying this now that I know Allah does exist, that back then I genuinely did not have any incentive to think He did.

But alhamdulilah Allah guided me and granted me incentive. It is imporatnt to differentiate the difference between someone knowing Allah exists (or at least having a good reason to find out more even if they don't believe yet) and rejecting Him, and someone who is truly clueless about Allah and while may not know anything about Allah, may still be searching for Him unknowlingly.