h-n's reflections

[Ezekiel_B]

Re: Apostasy (why I would deserve to die)

It appears you are saying that it is right for a muslim who has believed to be killed if he ceases to believe?

Okay...

May I put this question to you...?

Supposing, for a moment, that atheists had a law which said anyone who turns away from atheism - and to Islam - should be killed. Would you consider that right? I mean, how would you feel about that? Would it make you sad? Angry? Or would you not mind?

 

[Ezekiel_B]

Re: Forcing people to accept homosexuals

Homosexuals however, are not accepting that others do not like their behaviour and actually have done a lot and to get people to accept them the way they are, not only tolerate them but actually accept their way of life as the norm.

I'm not sure I quite understand. In what way, exactly, do you feel you are being 'forced' into acceptance?

 

[Ezekiel_B]

Re: Forcing people to accept homosexuals

1. It is a FACT, that homosexuals are forcing others to accept their way of living, for you to deny this, just shows how stupid you are. They even adopt children, so forcing children to accept their way of life as being the "norm". It is not about being treated in a bad way, but getting others not only to "tolerate" them but going further to get people to "accept" that their way is the "norm". Which is where they want children to learn about their sexual behaviour at School to say its normal for people to be that way etc.

Ah, I see! Well, to them, it IS quite normal... just as practicing Islam seems quite normal to you. Don't forget, gay rights were established (along with racial equality and women's rights) quite some time before Islam became so prevalent here, in the UK. It's hardly their fault your Koran says what it does about them, is it?

 

[Ezekiel_B]

Re: Forcing people to accept homosexuals

3. Prophets Jesus, Lut, Muhammad, Moses, Noah peace be upon them came with a message from Allah. Homosexuality is unacceptable and an EVIL ACT!!! Not an innocent way and choice of living but being EVIL!!!

Hmm... Actually, now I come to think of it... perhaps some of them might find point 3, which you have so eloquently expressed above, somewhat offensive? Have you thought about that? You see, that's the sort of thing we've been trying to discourage in this country, sir. The same goes for muslims in this country as well, you know! You must remember that both muslims and homosexuals are minority groups and as such, we have certain laws in place to try to maintain a civil approach to these sorts of 'lifestyle disagreements'. You might find that if a gay person were to speak out, in a similar tone to the one you have displayed, they would also be regarded as using hate speech... and that's something we're told by our government not to tolerate in our day and age. Does that help at all, sir?

 

[Ezekiel_B]

Re: Forcing people to accept homosexuals

However, I feel I must back that up, by saying that it seems you're free to speak like that within the confines of your religious circles, just as, say, the BNP are allowed to speak their views about Islam. The question I'd now like to ask you is - how would you feel if certain secularist or even gay people claimed that they, too, were being 'forced' to accept Islam as part of the 'norm'? You see, it appears that when labour came to power, they made quite a lot of noise about 'accepting Islam as part of British society. I do not exactly feel as though I have been forced to accept you and your ways as 'the norm', but I get the impression there are many who believe I should accept you... so perhaps you might consider my question if you will, sir?

 

[sister herb]

Re: Non-Muslims cannot even....

Salam alaykum;

me too don´t want to sound rude but stop this kind of posts and try to tell something positive. Most your messages are telling how non-muslims are only bad and remain bad. My islam is religion of care and tolerant and kind of posts of yours I can´t find any tolerance. In my country most of people I meet are non muslims and what kind of image I give them if my first comments to them would how bad you others are, how much sin you others do (comparing us), how you will become punishing by things you do when you haven´t got truthfull information about true Islam etc.

My way to show them what real Islam is, is show it by my own behaving - being kind, caring, peacefull, tolerant and patient to tell more about Islam.

 

[sister herb]

Re: Show me, Show me (but we're humans)

Salam alaykum;

show me beauty of Islam.

Allah is the Greatest to create this to us. Enjoy it, dear sister in Islam. May you enjoy also with it in Paradise.

 

[h-n]

Spreading hate (I am NOT!!)

As people already know that evil is a hated thing anyhow. But;-

I am NOT talking about how to live and treat others ie;-

- To help people who are needy,
- To help people who are physically unable to do various tasks,
- I am NOT talking about how to be kind to your neighbour,
- I am NOT talking about giving food to the poor,
- I am NOT talking about showing kindness to the non-Muslims

As I EXPECT people to know that anyway!! I am talking about what Islam states of non-Muslims that they are NOT acceptable in their condition of rejecting Islam! Which is what has been taught by Allah, where he has sent this message to Mankind!

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So I am not saying that we are going to go around beating up homosexuals etc, But I will always go against their evil, deprave behaviour!!!

The West claims they are more tolerant, when they are not and as per the “Freedom and evil acceptance” thread, they have shown that they have little regard of dignity of people’s lives, by having sex outside of marriage, homosexuality etc.

Also Allah has already stated that people are rejecters of the truth, they ALL know that Allah exists, which I have already explained on many threads in (“Sinners being destroyed and a good job too!, “Collapse of these countries“ “No such thing as Atheism“), so if people cannot be bothered to read them, then they shouldn’t be posting, as of course I can’t just write out what I have written on other threads again and again.

Simply Allah throws people into Hell, as they rejected the truth, not because they didn’t know. Another individual stated that there are people who genuinely don’t know about Allah, this is NOT true, what she is getting confused with is the fact that people spend their time looking at their worldly life, so giving little thought to Islam, this is what the condition of evil people are. They are so engrossed in their limited lives in this world, so its not about not knowing that Allah does not exist, but about not making time in their life about Islam.

People say I am spreading hate, why is this because I ;-

- I hate lewd behaviour,
- I hate homosexuality,
- I hate people saying that Allah does not exist,

Why should I like something that is clearly evil?

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I am happy to stand by this on the Day of Judgement and will not waiver from this.

If people are so tolerant in the West, then why are they more critical of Muslims then homosexuals?? Look they even attack Mosques rather then nightclubs. This is simply because they are not bothered and only care to go against what is good as did people aforetime.

Not only have people said that they don’t believe in Allah, but they are saying that Muslims don’t know that Allah exists, why are they saying we don’t know why Allah exists, it is one thing for them to say they don’t believe, but for them to say that we don’t accept it as 100% as fact that Allah exists is another matter. How pathetic, of course we are not willing to fast for a whole month, pray 5 times a day, because we "think" Allah exist, but because it is 100% fact that he does!

Tolerance

Tolerance has stated, which people have ignored, we tolerate something that we do not like, if of course you liked something then you wouldn’t need to tolerate them. Well what else did they think the word tolerance means?? We do not accept homosexuals, they are evil, they have shown that they are not happy with people just tolerating them-they have gone to lengths to actually get people to think of homosexuality as a normal way of living (when Allah himself has stated it is NOT). They are adopting children, teaching children that homosexuality is normal etc.

So don’t bother talking about saying that I am not doing the right thing, as I have done, I am not beating up homosexuals, I am NEVER going to not stop saying what they do is evil, as per what Allah himself has taught us. They are not getting anything else from me (accept tolerance), not me accepting homosexuality is normal, not me saying they cannot help being homosexual, or that they need help in the way they think when Prophets including Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him have NEVER taught us that they are innocent and cannot help it. They listen to Devils and they then think to tell people they cannot help thinking the way they do-well reject, reject, reject evil. This is the way of Devils were they follow people and tell them to be lewd!

Also when a Muslim talks about Islam, I don’t expect others to be critical because they are quick to think about what sinful people may think of them, frankly that is yourselves showing how weak you are in Islam, you should not be uncomfortable with what Allah himself has stated!!! Instead of accusing me of spreading hate, why don’t you learn Islam more and be comfortable with it, instead of being quick to think about what non-Muslim may think of them, especially when they are obviously quick to side with evil rather then Islam (as per "Sinners being destroyed and a good job too" thread).

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The Prophets Lut, Jesus, Ibrahim peace be upon them stated that homosexuality is wrong, would anyone accuse them of being bad?? They say that people who enjoin good and forbid evil are bad, but they rather paint the homosexuals in a innocent light??? :lol: There actions are EVIL, not to be confused when they try and hide behind an image of doing the same thing as Men and women do when they get married, and when they talk about love.

Think, think, think!! Do you think it is acceptable for Allah to create a beautiful Man in Paradise and then say its OK for a homosexual to approach him for sex?? How awful, how deprave, it is EVIL, do not claim the crimes of homosexuals are innocent, for it is EVIL!!!.

I will leave this to that on this issue and see you on the Day of Judgement, to which neither of you will be saying that talking about Islam is about spreading hate. Do not bother derailing this thread in the way I talk, as I have already explained myself many times.

 

[h-n]

Atheists and happiness (how foolish they are)

Just posting this thread to help others, wanted to mention this as I have heard Atheists mention how happy they are the way they are, again they talk as sinful people in the past, do they think we have not heard those comments in the past?? Of course that is what they said to the Prophets, and they wanted to look for the life of this world. They can't even guarantee that they will be able to have the food they have tomorrow and they are arrogant to tell people that they are happy when they cannot make the rain to fall, or the sun to shine.

1. Sinful people wanted to enjoy themselves in this world, rather then the next. Allah has told them that this world is a test and you are only here for a short amount of time in this world.

2. We did not join the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to be materialistically rich in this world, or look for the life of this world, but for the next.

3. The Prophets Noah, Lut, Moses, Jesus, Ibrahim peace be upon them did not say to people just as long as you have everything you want in this world, that is all that matters. They told people to worship the one God, remember the Day of Judgement and in Paradise and Hell.

-you don't go to Paradise because you had all the food that you wanted to eat,
-you don't go to Paradise because you booked a holiday and enjoyed yourself,
-you don't go to Paradise because you brought yourself a wide screen TV set etc

4. Atheists do show that they think that we would just care about how we live in this world, and that is the way to make us unreligious. Pathetic, only the evil people join them.

5 They choose this world or the next. They should be thankful to Allah, as no one would create them, allow them to live in this world for so long. Why even when people think of building robots, they don't want that robot to make a mess, be dysfunctional, but Allah with his patience has not only created us, but allowed us time to repent and be Muslims. No one not even angels care about people who turn their backs on Islam.

6. They can stand with each other on the Day of Judgement and go to Hell with each other, and of course they will never stand by what they used to say in this world.

7. Some Atheists have mentioned that religious people do not think -is this what they are saying about Prophet Jesus, Ibrahim, Moses peace be upon them either-that they did not think??

8. None of them are better then the Prophets, we would never listen to them over the Prophets, just as the magicians at Pharoah's court whom were willing to have their hands and feet chopped off at alternative sides.

9. They now prefer to say that the Prophets did not exist-pathetic, who cares if they say it, they only showing to people what liars, liars, and liars they are.
-None of them are better then the Prophet Noah peace be upon him,
-None of them are better then the Prophet Moses peace be upon him,
-None of them are better then the Prophet Jesus peace be upon him,
-None of them are better then the Prophet David peace be upon him etc

Why should we listen to them instead of the Prophets?? How foolish they are!

Also I have mentioned any many other threads, so Atheists should spend time reading them, instead of being quick to reply.

-A person has said how do I know who goes to Hell and who does not-Allah has already given us the rules, and if you don't accept what the Prophets have taught you, then Hell fire to you, Allah is not going to surprise us on the Day of Judgement and say that homosexuals etc are going to Paradise.

-Also the truth is what the Prophets have taught us,
-Prophet Noah peace be upon him did not say to people to repent so that you "may know the truth"-but you have accepted the truth that there is one God, the Day of Judgement and in Paradise and Hell.

None of the Prophets said hmm, I don't really know, it could be, the truth is Islam, even the magicians had their hands and feet chopped off in the name of Islam. Are you willing to die for what you believe in? No, even the soldiers are hoping that they will be alive and go back home, not willing to die, but hoping to go back to the UK/US etc.

Prophet Moses peace be upon him did not say to follow Islam that you "may know the truth", but you have accepted the truth.

Also even Atheists are copying off Jews by saying Allah is not the God that they Prophets followed in the past-then what are they saying??

-that the Prophet Moses peace be upon him mentioned in the Quran is a different person to the one the Jews know of?
-the Pharoah mentioned in the Quran is of another person?
-the Prophet Noah peace be upon him mentioned in the Quran is a different person also?

So we have different people with the same names, and have same lives??

There is only one God, the Day of Judgement and Paradise and Hell.

Remember Allah and the Day of Judgement much.