Hadeeth about dua that can change Qadr

['Abdullah]

I think it's unfair of Allah to do this to us Muslims. And humans at large. We have to keep our faith intact regardless of the situation
In the quran Allah promises to respond to our duas but then says it is accepted in one out of three ways.. That's not keeping to His words..
We are told to keep faith regardless of the hurdles.. Look at the kashmiris in Indian held kashmir. Generations have died trying for independence. None of their duas were answered.
And then in the end we are not sure we will go to Janah or not

Perhaps you should read what you wrote and think about it if this is what a believer should write? Please delete this stuff if possible, you don’t want to be one spreading fitna and waswas.
وَرَبُّكَ ٱلْغَفُورُ ذُو ٱلرَّحْمَةِ ۖ لَوْ يُؤَاخِذُهُم بِمَا كَسَبُواْ لَعَجَّلَ لَهُمُ ٱلْعَذَابَ ۚ بَل لَّهُم مَّوْعِدٌ لَّن يَجِدُواْ مِن دُونِهِۦ مَوْئِلًا

And your Lord is the Forgiving, full of mercy. If He were to impose blame upon them for what they earned, He would have hastened for them the punishment. Rather, for them is an appointment from which they will never find an escape.

(Al Kahfi 18:58)

And Allah knows the best!

 

['Abdullah]

 

[wayfarer91]

that's the thing, What is meant for us won't miss us no matter what, so should we not make dua? because Qadr can't be changed?

 

[wayfarer91]

For the Jews it was also not irrelevant. They wanted to make the perfect sacrifice to please Allah. The crux is, we should not get into the nitty gritty of things that would only lead to more queries. Like the instance of ishaab e Kahf.
Knowledge has the same effect on everybody. But there are limits that we should not cross. REmember the people who God destroyed only because they crossed their limits in knowledge. So, if God didn't explain the concept of Qadr lucidly, there is a reason. WE should not assess Him according to our human minds.

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Convincing Allah implies that we have to show Him we need it. Allah knows we are Muslims, then why the need to pray to Him five times a day, or fast during Ramadan, or even do dhikr. He is all knowing. He knows in our hearts we love Him more than anything. We show Him through our namaz that we Love Him, we need Him. The same is the case with dua. He knows a person needs a certain item. But he also needs to see us ask Him for it.


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There are things that we can't control and can only change through qadr. like i gave you the example of my father. We tried changing him, but dua did help us to a certain extent. His anger hasn't diminished but dua had taken a load of stress off our shoulders.


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[amnasheikh99]

I am not trying to spread fitna or awaswas, i amconfused, and hopeless.

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[MENTION=10275]ummi[/MENTION]t, Qadr cannot be changed. Otherwise, it would have been mentioned in the Quran, and in sahih bukhari hadith atleast. It is only mentioned in tirmidhi, meaning the authenticity can be challenged. Making dua willl change nothing. Allah does as He wills, and we have to accept it.

 

['Abdullah]

I am not trying to spread fitna or awaswas, i amconfused, and hopeless.

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@ummit, Qadr cannot be changed. Otherwise, it would have been mentioned in the Quran, and in sahih bukhari hadith atleast. It is only mentioned in tirmidhi, meaning the authenticity can be challenged. Making dua willl change nothing. Allah does as He wills, and we have to accept it.

Blaming Allah and calling that He is unfair, being hopeless etc. is all from Shaytan. I know it sounds like I am being too hard on you but sister it is for your benefit. These things should not come out of our mouth or be written on a public forum. If you need to discuss, discuss it privately with moderators using Helpdesk.

Your comment about Hadith is also total ignorance. The Hadith is graded “ Hasan ( Fair).” So you can’t question the chain of the Hadith and/or its content.

To keep it simple, keep making dua. Forget how it works, your mind can’t comprehend. Trust in Allah and I pray that He makes things easy for you. Ameen!

And Allah knows the best!

 

[amnasheikh99]

I know, but i am so fed up. Like the old Urdu Ghazal goes like:

Ghazab Kiya tery waday pa eitebar kiya
tamam raat qayamat ka intezar kiya


Oh, to have put my faith in your word
What a compulsive error of judgment it was
The complete night was a long wait For calamity

 

['Abdullah]

 

[amnasheikh99]

It is the same thing but a different scholar.
It is already pre-destined. making dua will only get our hopes high and then we would get results that we don't want.

 

[Al-Ansariyah]

Assalamualaikum. [MENTION=46043]amnasheikh99[/MENTION] Your questions have already been answered in ALL of your previous threads. It's ridiculous that a human keeps yearning for the things he WANTS and keeps thinking about his Lord that which he shouldn't ,without even realising that he, if the almighty wills, can be destroyed even before the blink of an eye. I want you to realise something here.

I think it's unfair of Allah to do this to us Muslims. And humans at large. We have to keep our faith intact regardless of the situation In the quran Allah promises to respond to our duas but then says it is accepted in one out of three ways.. That's not keeping to His words..

making dua will only get our hopes high and then we would get results that we don't want.

Questions about qadr, dua, hope only instill repercussions about religion. make dua with the conviction that Allah will grant you the thing. And I think it is the conviction that is decreed by allah and tht is the real test

LEt's keep things simple. The Prophet said Dua can change Qadr, because Allah blessed him with exceptional knowledge. He SAWW went to the miraaj, he has met other prophets, he has seen the hell and the heaven. Personally I belive in the preserved tablet the matters of life/death, children etc are mentined. Everything else, Allah changes through dua.
Knowledge has the same effect on everybody. But there are limits that we should not cross. REmember the people who God destroyed only because they crossed their limits in knowledge. So, if God didn't explain the concept of Qadr lucidly, there is a reason. WE should not assess Him according to our human minds.

There are things that we can't control and can only change through qadr. like i gave you the example of my father. We tried changing him, but dua did help us to a certain extent. His anger hasn't diminished but dua had taken a load of stress off our shoulders.

 

[Ümit]

I want to thank [MENTION=4815]amna[/MENTION]sheik99 for this reaction on another thread because that post made me see the answer I was looking for in my initial qurstion:

This is what I mean, we cannot even complain, just rely on God, when everything is already written, why make dua in the first place, you can't delay death by praying, what is to come will come.

qadr is not fixed (qadr type 2) you can steer your own qadr with the amount of effort and dua you put in.

qadr type 1 is only the direct result of Allah being all known. it is inevidable. He lives beyond the grasp of time...so He knows how our future looks like.

people with the same attitude as amnasheik just wait for the crappy qadr fall into their lap because they think they cannot change their qadr and they do not work for their dreams and do not make any dua....and therefore nothing happens.
[MENTION=4815]amna[/MENTION]sheik
sorry for being rude but you have to realize that your attitude is wrong!

 

[amnasheikh99]

does not justify your crappy attitude with me either. I respected you, but Gosh you need to learn basic etiquette that Islam constantly tells us about.

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and people like you who ask crappy questions might be responsible for infusing waswas in other people's minds as well. The wayfarer99 guy explained everything perfectly, but your comments were the one that steered me off the right path. so before you go on asking about something that is beyond human understanding on a public platform, be sure you can be the vessel satan might be using for furthering his wasas

 

[wayfarer91]

Really disappointed in your behavior ummit. Being Muslims we should not be rude to anyone, especially the ones going through a tough time. We all feel despondent and hopeless at times. We need to show the people it is okay to feel down at times, and guide them to the right path, your behavior might push them further away. No one gave you the right to be rude with anyone. Give respect, gain respect.

And you should not have asked such a question in the first place. You began by questioning an authentic hadeth and in between you mentioned that you don't believe in it, so should we have also been rude to you? Really saddened by your behavior. Next time, perhaps you should refrain from asking such questions and don't pave way for shetan's waswasas

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You should have ignored her. her faith is apparently weaker than yours

 

['Abdullah]

Umit simply asked a question and also said that the Hadith is Hassan so he did not question the Hadith & only asked for explanation. There is nothing wrong in asking a question.
However, it is wrong to come and publicly say that Allah is unfair and blame everything on Allah.
Perhaps we need moderators to delete such posts.

 

[amnasheikh99]

Sure thing. Why ask such questions that would eventually lead to waswas.
And i dont blame u people for being so closed minded. There is a renowned poet dr muhammad allama iqbal who wrote a poem. It complained to God about His injustices. The Muslim bigots instead of understanding the message that te poet was trying to convey started to call him kafir and fitna etc.
I dont blame u for not being able to understand that perhaps a person might be needing some support. I dont think anywhere in the quran or sunnah have Allah said to attack a person who might be looki g for guidance but you guys would rather support something unislamic than help the person understand the questions.

Reminds me of the instance when the Prophet was preaching to a couple of quresh leaders and a blind man came to seek knowledge. The prophet ignored him and got a bit irritated at his questions.. Afterwards, Allah showed His disregard for the prophets behavior and told him to deal all with respect and kindness. I guess this platform is not islamic as i once perceived

 

[wayfarer91]

[MENTION=211]Abdullah[/MENTION] both are asking questions. I therefore said in the beginnin that we should leave certain things to be.. Because there are people struggling with faith at all times and this is not a closed platform.
We need to respect everyone

 

['Abdullah]

I think it's unfair of Allah to do this to us Muslims. And humans at large. We have to keep our faith intact regardless of the situation
In the quran Allah promises to respond to our duas but then says it is accepted in one out of three ways.. That's not keeping to His words..
We are told to keep faith regardless of the hurdles.. Look at the kashmiris in Indian held kashmir. Generations have died trying for independence. None of their duas were answered.
And then in the end we are not sure we will go to Janah or not

I don’t see any question in this post. And the content is extremely questionable. All we are saying is that a Muslim should not say stuff like that in public. Anyways it’s hard to give any advice to people now a days because many of us have got a big egos. There is nothing wrong for someone to say that what I said is wrong and I am just struggling to find answers. We are all here to support each other but that does not mean we should just let people say whatever comes in their mind and pretend that it’s normal. It’s not normal and it is not acceptable.

I wish that I could PM the sister instead of rebuking her in public but due to forum rules I can’t PM her (Alhamdulillah for such rules which are important to keep away bigger fitnas).

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Can moderators please close this thread. I don’t see this going anywhere.

 

[Ümit]

agreed. thread can be closed. I have the answer I was looking for and it makes totally sense now. thank you very much.

 

[wayfarer91]

You got ur answers at the cost of an other person's beliefs

 

[Ümit]

I am not going to listen to shaytaan and put another reaction here. may Allah protect us all against spteading fitnah. mods please close this thread.

ve aleykum selam