Hadeeth about dua that can change Qadr

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At @amnasheikh91 if you believe in Allah and His book you can see that He has mentioned so many stories and instances. Was He lying about any one of them?
So if you believe in Allah's book it means His promises are true aswel. He has said in the Quran i will respond. And He is the ultimate truth. So whenever you feel sad and think Allah's promises are not true remember how He lookee after the ishaab e kahf.

We muslims are not supposed to go into nitty gritty of things because it always has an impact on someone like it did on u. Umit's "innocent question" kind affect many othrs who are looking for answrs and then find this thread realising that dua cannot change qadr.


What I believe is that there is a reason why the Prophet saww said about qadr and dua. Because we dont have the knowledge he did. May be Allah had told him, something related to dua, or the preserved tablet. If it is said dua can change qadr, be sure that it does. When we try to get logical usually we go astray. No one can prove Allah's existence, but we believe in Ghaib and that He exists, and that what makes ISlam beautiful. I know many people who were Hafiz e Quran but they started to get logical, and ended up being as far awy from religion as humanly possible.

So just dua it. Watch lectures to strengthen your belief in Allah, and if you have any problem, you can DM me, I will talk it out with you,,




Always remember times do get tough. Right now iam going through one of the worst phases of my life.. And i am constantly tensed about how it is going to end. Lockdown took a toll on my mental health esp when u live with am abusive father. But i try nt to be ungrateful to Allah despite shatan constantly giving me signs k dekho yeh kya ho rha.. Wo kya ho rha..

And you are right to say waht you think, as Iqbal said
Jurat aamoz meri tab e sukhn hy mujko,
shikwa Allah, khakam badhan, hy muj ko

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The pain you are feeling is common. This is what shatan does. i have been making effort for something, and making dua as well, but everytime i try to open that door, i get the same response. And I do think at times that perhaps Allah really does not listen. Yet, who are you gonna call? It is always Allah we turn back to. Maybe you have been away from Him for so long, that finally when you came to Him, He likes it so much that he is deliberately delaying your dua. These waswas only make you human, not a bad Muslim.
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And one thing ive realised perhaps the qadr can change and Allah has kept it from the angels because of how the palm readers/astrologers use jinns to forecast the future.
 
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Its complicated,but Qadr and rizq are some topics which are not connected only to humans.As we know in Lahul-Mahfudh it is written about all creation,not only humans,so the first thing we should do is to know that we cant fully understand it.Its beyond our mind perception.

I wanna give a simple example of how I understand all this,and in shaa Allah it will help you understand it better.
Imagine there is a guy who is asking everybody for money because he has a problem.Word spreads and you know that he tells everybody the same thing and tells everybody the same.One day he calls you telling you the same thing and asking to meet up.You know 100% he will ask for money,and you have decided long ago that if he asks you,you will give him.So you write it down that at 2 oclock I will meet this guy and he will ask me for money and I will give him.But you go and meet him and wait until he asks you for it and then you give him the money,otherwise you don’t.
So Lahul-Mahfud is like what you wrote,the future is already written there.Allah already knows everything,how He knows all this we cant comprehend cuz we cant comprehend time,its beyond our physical senses.
And the Qadr is like the money youd give this guy.You already planned to give him the money,yet he has to ask you for it.

Allahu Alem, but don’t dwell too much into these things are beyond the perception of our limited mind and it only leads to confusion.


wayfarer91 said:
Yet, who are you gonna call?
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ohh pure Tawheed there ma shaa Allah !!!
 
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yes, this question by ummit did affect me negatively. I was hopeful about qadr until i ran across this thread on the platform. Better to stop using it. Thankyou wayfarer91 you understood where I am coming from. I am not questioning God's power, rather I am complaining to Him and He knows that my conscious is clear
Allah bless you
 
RisingLight said:
Its complicated,but Qadr and rizq are some topics which are not connected only to humans.As we know in Lahul-Mahfudh it is written about all creation,not only humans,so the first thing we should do is to know that we cant fully understand it.Its beyond our mind perception.

I wanna give a simple example of how I understand all this,and in shaa Allah it will help you understand it better.
Imagine there is a guy who is asking everybody for money because he has a problem.Word spreads and you know that he tells everybody the same thing and tells everybody the same.One day he calls you telling you the same thing and asking to meet up.You know 100% he will ask for money,and you have decided long ago that if he asks you,you will give him.So you write it down that at 2 oclock I will meet this guy and he will ask me for money and I will give him.But you go and meet him and wait until he asks you for it and then you give him the money,otherwise you don’t.
So Lahul-Mahfud is like what you wrote,the future is already written there.Allah already knows everything,how He knows all this we cant comprehend cuz we cant comprehend time,its beyond our physical senses.
And the Qadr is like the money youd give this guy.You already planned to give him the money,yet he has to ask you for it.

Allahu Alem, but don’t dwell too much into these things are beyond the perception of our limited mind and it only leads to confusion.




ohh pure Tawheed there ma shaa Allah !!!
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Wow, that is a really good example. Thank you very much
 
wayfarer91 said:
I read a story about Moosa, where a woman came to him and requested him to ask Allah to grant her a child. Moosa went to Allah and requested on the woman's behalf. But Allah told Moosa that it has been decreed that she won't have a child. Few weeks later the woman again came to Moosa and asked him to request Allah to grant her a child, which moosa did, and Allah responded in the same way. A few weeks later the same thing happened. This time Allah told Moosa that it has been decreed that she is barren and would never have a child.

A few years later Moosa met the woman in the market place, with a child. He inquired and the woman told her that Allah granted her with a son. Astounded, Moosa went to Allah and asked about the matter. So Allah responded, "she made so much dua, that it exceeded my will, so I changed what i had decreed.''
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This story is complete fabrication, is not found in any of the hadith books. I even looked into the books which have fabricated stories and this story is not even found in those books. Most likely came from Judeo-Christian traditions and we should not accept such stories. The story itself has very serious 'aqeedah issues, it defies that Allah has the ultimate knowledge and defies the fact that everything has already been written in preserved tablet. If something was supposed to happen due to a dua, Allah knew that as well. As mentioned in my previous posts, dua itself is part of the Qadr. A video below from Sheikh Yasir Birjas has discussed this story and have also explained the issue of Qadr and dua in depth.
 
I think it makes sense.. It is not mandatory for Allah to reveal the decre to moosa.. Instead Allah tested the woman with her faith. She didn't give up on dua and thats why kept asking for a child.
It could be fabricated but it is not beyond logic.i am still looking for the book though.. I hope i find it.

And thats the point.. Allah knows everything.. We cant comprehend the true sense of qadr. It means everything is planned out.. Then many of rhe non muslims might find it unfair on the day of judgement for being sent to hell fire.. There is the concept of free will. Which i believe Allah gave us full authority over.. He knows whether we will choose door a, b, c and then the outcome of each possibility..
We don't know it.
We cant argue either that we should /shouldn't work for it because of Qadr. Cuz Allah has already preordained whether a person will work for something or not..
Getting it!?
 
wayfarer91 said:
I think it makes sense.. It is not mandatory for Allah to reveal the decre to moosa.. Instead Allah tested the woman with her faith. She didn't give up on dua and thats why kept asking for a child.
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wayfarer91 said:
It could be fabricated but it is not beyond logic.
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The point is such stories should not be shared. Its fabricated and teaches something which goes against the 'aqeedah as I explained in my previous post. One does not need fabricated stories to make sense of Qadr, it is not as complicated to understand for a believer especially when we have authentic sources to explain the concept. Please refer to Sahih hadith quoted several times ( dua is answered in one of the three ways). ​
 
Yes, dua is answered in one of three ways, but then it means Qadr cannot be changed through destiny the way we want it to. What is preordained will not change even if we make dua, however we will be rewarded as dua is a form of worship. NO? and we are rewarded for worshiping Allah. So does that mean we should not make dua, instead resort to other forms of worship, or make duas for general things, so on and so forth. I saw wayfarer91 post and she spoke what i wanted to say.

i Solemlnly believe that dua can change qadr, All explanations do not make sense. If a person wants to ask for money from person B, the person B got the wind of it from persons C and D. Allah does not work that way, he has knowledge of everything.
Even if u make dua, how long should you make dua for something particular? When should be the moment of us realizing it is not in our qadr to get that thing. People try for decades to have kids, they rely on dua and medical assistance. At the same time, family who had a child when the woman was in her 60s and man in his late 60s,. It happened by the Will of Allah. Does that mean that it was dua that got them the baby, or Allah's will. They had lost all hope, even stopped making dua. Does that mean dua didn't work, Allah only granted them the child when it was ordained for them. Or does it mean that dua changed their qadr?

If you read Iqbal's Shikwa, that might help you understand the idea iam trying to convey here. It is a bit open, and might affect the faith of bigots. but try reading it with an open mind ..Assim Ali Khan says that even Evil Eye is preordained, and Allah knows that one will be affected with it. So what does that mean? If it is preordained, definitely nothing can change it, not even dua, because Allah has already decreed it in loh e mahfooz
 
amnasheikh99 said:
Does that mean dua didn't work, Allah only granted them the child when it was ordained for them. Or does it mean that dua changed their qadr?

If you read Iqbal's Shikwa, that might help you understand the idea iam trying to convey here. It is a bit open, and might affect the faith of bigots. but try reading it with an open mind ..Assim Ali Khan says that even Evil Eye is preordained, and Allah knows that one will be affected with it. So what does that mean? If it is preordained, definitely nothing can change it, not even dua, because Allah has already decreed it in loh e mahfooz
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Maybe a duaa they made many years ago was accepted but it had to take many years to see the results.As i have said before,it took me 8 years of constantly making duaa everyday to leave my country and practice islam in freedom.Or in the case of the prophet saws,he didnt have mecca immediately,it took him a long time.We have to go through tests and hardship regardless of duaa,after all this is why we are here to be tested.But the beautiful thing of it is that even though your duaa might be ''worthless'' in the dunya,there are still 2 others ways that it is accepted.

Yes but at the same time if Allah didnt decree it in lahul-Mahfuz or if Allah doesnt know if you will be affected with evil eye in the future then that is contradicting to the fact that Allah has knowledge about everything.But we dont know what will happen in the future.So we do our best to be protected from it,use our free will,and whatever happens in the future is the result of our free will which Allah already knows.
 
Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "No Muslim makes supplication - unless he is someone who has cut off his relatives - but that he is given one of three things:

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  • either his supplication is answered quickly,
  • or it is stored up for him in the Next World,
  • or an evil equal to it is averted from him."
It was said, "Then many supplications will be made." He replied, "Allah has more still to give."

حَدَّثَنَا إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ نَصْرٍ، قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ أُسَامَةَ، عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ عَلِيٍّ قَالَ‏:‏ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا الْمُتَوَكِّلِ النَّاجِيَّ قَالَ‏:‏ قَالَ أَبُو سَعِيدٍ الْخُدْرِيُّ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم‏:‏ مَا مِنْ مُسْلِمٍ يَدْعُو، لَيْسَ بِإِثْمٍ وَلاَ بِقَطِيعَةِ رَحِمٍ، إِلاَّ أَعْطَاهُ إِحْدَى ثَلاَثٍ‏:‏ إِمَّا أَنْ يُعَجِّلَ لَهُ دَعْوَتَهُ، وَإِمَّا أَنْ يَدَّخِرَهَا لَهُ فِي الْآخِرَةِ، وَإِمَّا أَنْ يَدْفَعَ عَنْهُ مِنَ السُّوءِ مِثْلَهَا، قَالَ‏:‏ إِذًا نُكْثِرُ، قَالَ‏:‏ اللَّهُ أَكْثَرُ‏.‏
Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani)

Sunnah.com reference: Book 1, Hadith 107
English reference: Book 31, Hadith 710
Arabic reference: Book 1, Hadith 710
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https://sunnah.com/adab/31/107
Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), "The supplication of every one of you will be granted if he does not get impatient and say (for example): 'I supplicated my Rubb but my prayer has not been granted'."

[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

The narration of Muslim is: "The supplication of a slave continues to be granted as long as he does not supplicate for a sinful thing or for something that would cut off the ties of kinship and he does not grow impatient." It was said: "O Messenger of Allah! What does growing impatient mean?" He (ﷺ) said, "It is one's saying: 'I supplicated again and again but I do not think that my prayer will be answered.' Then he becomes frustrated (in such circumstances) and gives up supplication altogether."


وعنه أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال‏:‏ ‏ "‏يستجاب لأحدكم ما لم يعجل‏:‏ يقول‏:‏ قد دعوت ربي، فلم يستجب لي‏"‏ ‏(‏‏(‏متفق عليه‏)‏‏)‏‏.‏ وفي رواية لمسلم لا يزال يستجاب للعبد ما لم يدعُ بإثم أو قطيعة رحم ما لم يستعجل‏.‏ قيل يا رسول الله ما الاستعجال‏؟‏ قال يقول قد دعوت وقد دعوت فلم أرَ من يستجب لي فيستحسر عند ذلك ويدع الدعاء‏.‏
Reference: Riyad as-Salihin 1499
In-book reference: Book 16, Hadith 35
English translation: Book 16, Hadith 1499
https://sunnah.com/riyadussalihin/16/35

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
O people, Allah is Good and He therefore, accepts only that which is good. And Allah commanded the believers as He commanded the Messengers by saying: "O Messengers, eat of the good things, and do good deeds; verily I am aware of what you do" (xxiii. 51). And He said: "O those who believe, eat of the good things that We gave you" (ii. 172). He then made a mention of a person who travels widely, his hair disheveled and covered with dust. He lifts his hand towards the sky (and thus makes the supplication): "O Lord, O Lord," whereas his diet is unlawful, his drink is unlawful, and his clothes are unlawful and his nourishment is unlawful. How can then his supplication be accepted?

وَحَدَّثَنِي أَبُو كُرَيْبٍ، مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْعَلاَءِ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو أُسَامَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا فُضَيْلُ بْنُ مَرْزُوقٍ، حَدَّثَنِي عَدِيُّ بْنُ ثَابِتٍ، عَنْ أَبِي حَازِمٍ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ طَيِّبٌ لاَ يَقْبَلُ إِلاَّ طَيِّبًا وَإِنَّ اللَّهَ أَمَرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ بِمَا أَمَرَ بِهِ الْمُرْسَلِينَ فَقَالَ ‏{‏ يَا أَيُّهَا الرُّسُلُ كُلُوا مِنَ الطَّيِّبَاتِ وَاعْمَلُوا صَالِحًا إِنِّي بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ عَلِيمٌ‏}‏ وَقَالَ ‏{‏ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كُلُوا مِنْ طَيِّبَاتِ مَا رَزَقْنَاكُمْ‏}‏ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ ثُمَّ ذَكَرَ الرَّجُلَ يُطِيلُ السَّفَرَ أَشْعَثَ أَغْبَرَ يَمُدُّ يَدَيْهِ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ يَا رَبِّ يَا رَبِّ وَمَطْعَمُهُ حَرَامٌ وَمَشْرَبُهُ حَرَامٌ وَمَلْبَسُهُ حَرَامٌ وَغُذِيَ بِالْحَرَامِ فَأَنَّى يُسْتَجَابُ لِذَلِكَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏
Reference: Sahih Muslim 1015
In-book reference: Book 12, Hadith 83
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Book 5, Hadith 2214
https://sunnah.com/muslim/12/83


If one understands the above three hadiths, should not have any question about dua and Qadr. I will end with following quote from Ibn al-Jawzi (Ra) in one of his books:

AlJawzi said that part of the test is when a believer supplicates and receives no response, and he repeats the du’aa’ for a long time and sees no sign of a response. He should realize that this is a test and needs patience.

What a person experiences of waswaas when the response is delayed is a sickness which needs medicine, I have experienced this myself. A calamity befell me and I supplicated and did not see any response, and Iblees started to lay his traps. Sometimes he said : The generosity (of Allaah) is abundant and He is not miserly, so why is there a delay?

I said to him: Be gone, O cursed one, for I have no need of anyone to argue my case and I do not want you as a supporter!

Then I told myself: Beware of going along with his whispers, for if there was no other reason for the delay except that Allaah is testing you to see whether you will fight the enemy, that is sufficient wisdom.

My soul (nafs) said: How could you explain the delay in the response of Allaah to your prayers for relief from this calamity?

I said: It is proven with evidence that Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, is the Sovereign, and the Sovereign may withhold or give, so there is no point in objecting to Him.

The wisdom behind that is proven in definitive evidence. I may think that something is good, but wisdom does not dictate it, but the reason for that may be hidden, just as a doctor may do things that appear outwardly to be harmful, intending some good purpose thereby. Perhaps this is something of that nature.

There may be an interest to be served by delay, and haste may be harmful. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “A person will be fine so long as he does not become impatient and says, ‘I prayed but I did not receive any answer.’”

The response may be withheld because of some fault in you. Perhaps there was something dubious in what you ate or your heart was heedless at the time when you said the dua, or your punishment is being decreased by means of your need being withheld, because of some sin from which you have not repented sincerely. So look for some of these reasons, so that you might achieve your aim.

You should examine the intention behind this request, because attaining it may lead to more sin, or prevent you from doing some good, so withholding it is better.

Perhaps losing what you have missed out on will cause you to turn to Allah and getting it will distract you from Him. This is obvious, based on the fact that were it not for this calamity you would not have turned to Him, because the real calamity is what distracts you from Him, but what makes you stand before Him is good for you and is in your best interests.

If you ponder these things you will focus on what is more beneficial for you, such as correcting a mistake or seeking forgiveness or standing before Allah and beseeching Him, and forget about what you have missed out on.
Source: Sayd al-Khaatir (59-60). (This publication is in three volumes containing aphorisms and wise counsels)
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Below is another article from Islamqa which may help you to find answer to your question:
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/103099/do-not-panic-if-duaas-are-not-answered
 
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I just want to say whilst this post has caused much debate and some conflict, for me, such exploration provided me with reminders and some comfort to what I go through on a daily basis.

I took the points of benefit and positivity out as reminders and to refresh and re-feed my understanding. Some very informative posts.

May Allah swt guide us all even when we forget. When we even steer away from the righteous path, let it be brief and let us get back on the righteous path swiftly.

I have so much going on in life, responsibilities, in day to day activities (you all probably do too), sometimes can get busy so I do depend on reminders, virtue and wisdom partially to keep me going and to keep myself on track.

Please remember me, my family and all those struggling in your duas.

Alhamdulillah.
 
See Abdullah it is the same thing
Did Allah not decree for the person to have haram income and eat haram?
 
amnasheikh99 said:
See Abdullah it is the same thing
Did Allah not decree for the person to have haram income and eat haram?
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Al-Qadr is a matter of Allah’s Knowledge. No one can uncover his own Qadr except after it occurs. One’s intention to perform a deed precedes the action itself. He does not know what Al-Qadr holds for him. Therefore, Al-Qadr is not a valid excuse for sinning and abandoning the commandments of Allah. Don’t mix your free will with Qadr.

It was reported that a man who was caught stealing was brought to 'Umar Ibn Al-Khattab may Allah be pleased with him who ordered that this man’s hand be cut off. The man said: “Wait, O leader of the believers! I only stole because this was in the Qadr of Allah." 'Umar may Allah be pleased with him replied “And we are amputating your hand because it is in the Qadr of Allah.”
 
No, It is only logical. Allah wrote down our qadr 50k years before He made this world. So, If the concept of free will applies, that Qadr would not be absolute> Right? now you need to think with a broad mind.


If Allah knows what we are gonna do, and preordained our schooling, our marriage, our life etc, then there are two cases
Either He is in control of everything
or
Because of our freewill He himself does not know what is written in the preserved tabled (nauzubillah)
 
amnasheikh99 said:
There is no free will if Allah has already preordained everything..
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It’s wrong understanding of the Qadr, and used mostly By bad people to justify their wrong doings. They don’t want to take responsibility of their bad actions and blame their actions on their Qadr. Please listen to the video below:
And hope it will help you to understand the right balance one should keep.
Ma’aSalaam
 
amnasheikh99 said:
No, It is only logical. Allah wrote down our qadr 50k years before He made this world. So, If the concept of free will applies, that Qadr would not be absolute> Right? now you need to think with a broad mind.


If Allah knows what we are gonna do, and preordained our schooling, our marriage, our life etc, then there are two cases
Either He is in control of everything
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Because of our freewill He himself does not know what is written in the preserved tabled (nauzubillah)
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So according to you something is false in the Quraan...either Allah is not omnipotent or Allah is not just...

This is what you believe? are you a muslimah at all? because you accused me that I influenced your faith negatively...but if this is what you really believe...then there is something terribly wrong with your faith don't you think?
 

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