Hamas' betrayal of Muslim brothers and sisters

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i still support hamas :), they are following the rules of the game, war is deception, they will get funding and weapons through back door channels to use against israel which will free al-aqsa, that is far better than saying **** u russiansssssssssssss what wud that do? NOTHING, so plz ppl be real instead of always usinng ur emotions, to win a war u use ur head, not ur emotion because that will get u killed and defeated.
 
and notice how chechnya cant bring us ONE REALISTIC BENEFIT that wud happen had hamas condemned russia, NOT ONE, hence i rest my case. chechnya u dont know how to fight a war so i suggest u just sit on the side-lines because u offer nothing but nothing. when u can bring me one realistic benefit from hamas' condemnation of russia then respond back, because thats what im asking for. so can u or what? and i know u cant and u know u cant.
 
chechnya expects hamas to fight israel, usa, AND russia. wowwwwwww man ur really good on tactics for war seriously.
 
also another chechen said u dont see hamas as allies anymore, no offense us palestinians never saw u chechens as allies EVER, u never did anything for the palestinian muslims now u come crying foul play, no offense it sounds like cry babying to me. i dont say this to be mean, whats an ally? a person who can protect and defend and fight with u, chechnya is non of that for palestine, see you guys really dont know war seriously, yes we are an ummah but not an allied one, muslims cant protect each other, hence no such thing as allies if u cant offer protection. like i wud call hezbollah an ally of palestinian muslims, because they can protect muslims in palestine and fight with them, now offcourse u can never protect someone 100% but having some protection is better than 0% protection which is what chechens are to palestinian. and hey i wud be saying non of this, but when u chechens start becomming arrogant and ignorant i will expose the facts, your not angels as you try to seem. u want to complain on palis, but what have u done for them? NOTHING, oooo u offered 150 fighters? lol wow lets be serious, and bring a source to confirm that plz. and u will say heyyyyyyyyyy 150 fighters for chechens is alot seeing that their not so strong, but there are more than 150 chechens fighting in afghanistan and uzbekistan, and again im not saying its not good to send fighters there, send 10,000 even. just dont come complaining to palestinians when u have done nothing for them, ok? plz stop mis-interpeting what i say, AGAIN I SAY IT, ITS NOT BAD TO SEND FIGHTERS TO AFGHAN, UZBEK, AND EVEN INDONESIA! send 10,000 if u can, just dont complain on palis saying oooooooo why u do this why u betray us etc etc when u have never done anything for them.
 
I think Hamas saying Chechnya is an internal problem of Russia is more a political game.

Russia was the first country to invite Hamas to its country. Russia, along with China, also opposed sanctions against Iran and had them diluted. China has deepened already good relations with Pakistan. The Muslim World should be working with Russia and China in a friendly manner, but also stress their concern at the plight of Chechans. Insha'Allah, Chechnya will be free as they deserve to be.
 
Before i answer some of your points - i just wanna say you have answered NONE of my questions or points yet you seem to demand that i answer yours :rollseyes

Dont ask others to do what you cant do yourself

Back to some of you rather childish posts -

Allah (swt) will not change the condition of a people unless they change themselves.
How can you expect victory over our enemies when you cannot even stay loyal to your own brothers?

No-one wants Hamas to fight Russia, India or China - however everyone expects so-called "Islamic" groups to act in a manner that is not hypcritical - Hamas have shown they cannot do that.

As for benefits of showing solidarity with brothers in Chechnyas rather than befriending the murderer of the Chechen people - the Prophet (saw) said:

The Muslim is a brother to the Muslim. He does not do wrong to him, does not forsake him, and. does not betray him

Now tell me, are you trying to contradict the prophets (saw) commandments where he tells Muslims not to betray one another???

And rather than ignoring my questions please answer - if muslim countries recognise israel, become friends with israel, call israel a great country, dismiss palestinian suffering as an "internal israeli affair", then that would be a betrayal dont you think?

And if Chechens did that to the Palestinians, i would be as critical of them as i am of Hamas.
All islamic groups should be united in their struggle, even if its only vocal and moral support of each other - Hamas have shown that they are more an arab nationalist movement rather than an islamic one.

You also seem to demand that Chechen do something for Palestine - well they made their offer and it was refused but at least they made the offer which is more than can be said of arab nationalists of Hamas.
Btw you dont know how many Chechens there in Afghansitan or Uzbeksiatan so stop pretending you do :rollseyes

From a neutral point of view the offer of 150 fighters made is quite interesting since Chechen Mujahideen actually FIGHT - 99% of Chechen operations are against military targets - NOT like hamas operations against cafes or restaurants where they are brave enough to attack anyone but israelis soldiers lol
Just a thought...

My only advice to you can be - nationalism is wretched , leave it as soon as possible. It is not nationalism that will get us victory - you should learn that!

Salam
 
I think Hamas saying Chechnya is an internal problem of Russia is more a political game.

Russia was the first country to invite Hamas to its country. Russia, along with China, also opposed sanctions against Iran and had them diluted. China has deepened already good relations with Pakistan. The Muslim World should be working with Russia and China in a friendly manner, but also stress their concern at the plight of Chechans. Insha'Allah, Chechnya will be free as they deserve to be.

In that case why shouldnt some Muslim countries be working with Israel and calling it a friend and ally if they can personally derive benefit from it?
 
In that case why shouldnt some Muslim countries be working with Israel and calling it a friend and ally if they can personally derive benefit from it?

Salam Brother Chechnya.

I dont mean to say that the Chechan people should be ignored. Certainly not, they are our brothers and sisters and part of the Ummah. However, when the US was trying to isolate Iran, Russia and China vetoed against that. As friends, the Muslim nations should diplomatically work with Chechnya and Russia to end Russian invasion which is clearly a breach of human rights. That would probably lead to better results than a confrontation, which may escalate the human rights abuses in Chechnya.
 
you see i didnt ignore your points, u ask Q's again, as for arab goverments they already betrayed palestine, so no use there.

secondly u dont follow along, u havent been betrayed, hamas simply said that to get weapons and funding to fight zionists in palestine, and once defeating those zionists hamas can one day help chechnya and all, but now they cant. so they just said that for the bigger picture, which is what i said over and over, if u dont agree FINE, but dont lie and act like an idiot repeating urself as if i said nothing.

thirdly, i asked u the Q first, and u still didnt reply, u cant bring one useful thing that will happen if hamas did that so thanks.

ur last point is funny when u say hamas attack cafes and so on, u are dumb really, last i checked wasnt it chechen rebels who held a school of KIDS hostage? the prophet said dont kill women and children did he not? so why did they intentionally take kids 5 YEAR OLDS and so on as hostages?

now ur not smart again, in israel theres no such thing as innocent civillians, why? BECAUSE ALL ISRAELIS from 18 and above until up to 50 or something like that are SIGNED IN THE ARMY AS RESERVES, so they are all soldiers, so hence when hamas bombs cafes, busses, they are not bombing innocent civillians in town, they are hitting reserve soldiers, now kids and elders have been killed, but hey, what can hamas do? u dont take kids and old ppl beside soldiers now do u? so no hamas doesnt target innocent civillians as u made it out to be, and hamas has conducted many many operations against IDF soldiers, u prove ur stupidity by such comments.
 
anyway i have no time for ur childish rants, uve been responded to and exposed im gonna go sleep. vivaaaaaaaaaaa hamas!
 
you see i didnt ignore your points, u ask Q's again, as for arab goverments they already betrayed palestine, so no use there.

Corrupt arab goverments will btray everyone, palestine, chechnya, kashmir, afghansitan - its not surprising any more.

secondly u dont follow along, u havent been betrayed, hamas simply said that to get weapons and funding to fight zionists in palestine, and once defeating those zionists hamas can one day help chechnya and all, but now they cant. so they just said that for the bigger picture, which is what i said over and over, if u dont agree FINE, but dont lie and act like an idiot repeating urself as if i said nothing.

thirdly, i asked u the Q first, and u still didnt reply, u cant bring one useful thing that will happen if hamas did that so thanks.

actually i already answered it but your arab nationalist mind cant seem to get its head around it:
the Prophet (saw) said:

The Muslim is a brother to the Muslim. He does not do wrong to him, does not forsake him, and. does not betray him


if you are betraying basic islamic tenets, how do you expect victory to come to you - THAT is why it is essential for ALL islamic orgs to be on the haqq.
Do you thinking dancing on the graves of 40,000 dead muslim children by joining russia is going to give you victory? lol i cant begin to say how messed up that is


ur last point is funny when u say hamas attack cafes and so on, u are dumb really, last i checked wasnt it chechen rebels who held a school of KIDS hostage? the prophet said dont kill women and children did he not? so why did they intentionally take kids 5 YEAR OLDS and so on as hostages?

My point was spot on and seems to have rattled you :D

If you read it again i said 99% of operations are against military operations - not 100% :rollseyes

the beslan and moscow seige and acts like that are very rare and count for the 1% i mentioned. you can probably count those type of acts on the fingers of two hands.

needless to say the ISLAMIC leadership of Chechnya has many many times CONDEMNED such attacks and all such attacks against women and children whereas Hamas proudly BOASTS of blowing up women and children in cafes and restaurants :rollseyes

LOL do you understand the diffference now?

now ur not smart again, in israel theres no such thing as innocent civillians, why? BECAUSE ALL ISRAELIS from 18 and above until up to 50 or something like that are SIGNED IN THE ARMY AS RESERVES, so they are all soldiers, so hence when hamas bombs cafes, busses, they are not bombing innocent civillians in town, they are hitting reserve soldiers, now kids and elders have been killed, but hey, what can hamas do? u dont take kids and old ppl beside soldiers now do u? so no hamas doesnt target innocent civillians as u made it out to be, and hamas has conducted many many operations against IDF soldiers, u prove ur stupidity by such comments.

the Russian army is also a conscript army, that doesnt mean you can go around killing anyone.

Women and children and the elderly in cafes and restaurants are NOT legitimate targets regardless of what Hamas may tell you.
If Hamas stuck to only targetting active soldiers esp in the occupied areas, it would get more support from people who are otherwise disgusted by their acts.
If you look at Mujahideen in places Kashmir and Chechnya - 99% of the time they fight soldier of the occupation and no-one else.
 
Women and children and the elderly in cafes and restaurants are NOT legitimate targets regardless of what Hamas may tell you.
If Hamas stuck to only targetting active soldiers esp in the occupied areas, it would get more support from people who are otherwise disgusted by their acts.
If you look at Mujahideen in places Kashmir and Chechnya - 99% of the time they fight soldier of the occupation and no-one else.

Interesting thought, I know people who would be disgusted if innocents were to be lost, its one thing targeting women and children its another for soldiers.
 
now ur not smart again, in israel theres no such thing as innocent civillians, why? BECAUSE ALL ISRAELIS from 18 and above until up to 50 or something like that are SIGNED IN THE ARMY AS RESERVES, so they are all soldiers, so hence when hamas bombs cafes, busses, they are not bombing innocent civillians in town, they are hitting reserve soldiers, now kids and elders have been killed, but hey, what can hamas do? u dont take kids and old ppl beside soldiers now do u? so no hamas doesnt target innocent civillians as u made it out to be, and hamas has conducted many many operations against IDF soldiers, u prove ur stupidity by such comments.

'Stupidity'? You are hardly one to talk, that's perhaps the most pathetic excuse for murdering innocent people I have ever seen.
 
Look Brothers and Sisters, what Hammas did was a negative point, but i can see what brother Sami is saying about the long term benefits. Lets hope that their are benefits from this deal or what ever they are doing with the russians. The brothers and sisters in Chechnya i feel are neglected because they are not Arab? Is that an overstatment, correct me if I am wrong Brother Sami. Your question to Brother Chechen about what the Chechens did for the Palestinians was answered, they offered men like the Bro said.

Look we dont need disagreements between each other. As members of this forrum let unite in ourr cuase whether that be for the people of Palestine or Chechnya or Kashmir or Afganistan. I am with all the brothers and sisters in my Ummah! We should all be for our brothers and sisters in the Ummah! Stop the debating on whos cause is more just and whos cause is more important and realise that there is only one cause, the cause of Allah SWT.

Wassalm
 
Look Brothers and Sisters, what Hammas did was a negative point, but i can see what brother Sami is saying about the long term benefits. Lets hope that their are benefits from this deal or what ever they are doing with the russians. The brothers and sisters in Chechnya i feel are neglected because they are not Arab? Is that an overstatment, correct me if I am wrong Brother Sami. Your question to Brother Chechen about what the Chechens did for the Palestinians was answered, they offered men like the Bro said.

Look we dont need disagreements between each other. As members of this forrum let unite in ourr cuase whether that be for the people of Palestine or Chechnya or Kashmir or Afganistan. I am with all the brothers and sisters in my Ummah! We should all be for our brothers and sisters in the Ummah! Stop the debating on whos cause is more just and whos cause is more important and realise that there is only one cause, the cause of Allah SWT.

Wassalm
Good, your observant.I agree let's not lose perspective. Don't forget somalia, Iraq (and afghanistan to an extent.)
 
actually who knows if they offered anything, he has provided no links or sources, and i dont trust him since he is always wrong. and hes a coward who cant answer my Q yet of what good would it do had hamas said **** u russia! he keeps barking around the bush repeating himself over and over again.

and he gets busted for lying saying hamas targets innocent ppl, yet those israelis arent innocent, they are reserves in the israeli army, you know how many lebanease ppl were killed by such reservists in the lebanease war? these israeli reservists bombed the hell out of lebanon and ur saying these ppl are innocent? so mr buddhist i think the idiot is u for trying to make these ppl out to be innocent, yeah u think its ok for them to sit in cafes and then go load a shell to bomb a pali or lebanease house! get real thats not an innocent civillian!

so again kids and elders who get killed in bombings, well thats too bad isnt it u dont take familly on trips with soldiers, thats israels problem theyre all soldiers they made it that way so they have to live with it.
 
Yes, I am completely disagree with Khalid Opinion about Chechen Mujahedien,but Hamas itself is far better than Al Fatah, who basically betrayal Muslims of Palestine. Hamas victory is the output of their corruption.

Think why USA, BRITAIN, EGYPT & ISRAIEL supporting Alfatah & providing arms against Hamas. Because, Hamas brings revolution without any foreign support. They proceed in the field of education, health & social support. Hamas leadership belongs to Palestine & have strong commitment to their cause.

Where as Alfatah is not more than a group of jealous persons & coward people, who face shocked after clear & immense victory of Hamas, they can't accept the reality & involved in conspiracies against Hamas from the first day of election results.
 
Yeah bro thanks we musnt forget any of the lands of the Ummah. Include them in ur Dwas everyday Inshallah. Do we have consensus?
 
actually who knows if they offered anything, he has provided no links or sources, and i dont trust him since he is always wrong. and hes a coward who cant answer my Q yet of what good would it do had hamas said **** u russia! he keeps barking around the bush repeating himself over and over again.

and he gets busted for lying saying hamas targets innocent ppl, yet those israelis arent innocent, they are reserves in the israeli army, you know how many lebanease ppl were killed by such reservists in the lebanease war? these israeli reservists bombed the hell out of lebanon and ur saying these ppl are innocent? so mr buddhist i think the idiot is u for trying to make these ppl out to be innocent, yeah u think its ok for them to sit in cafes and then go load a shell to bomb a pali or lebanease house! get real thats not an innocent civillian!

so again kids and elders who get killed in bombings, well thats too bad isnt it u dont take familly on trips with soldiers, thats israels problem theyre all soldiers they made it that way so they have to live with it.


Brother Sami your missing the point. forget who is right and who is wrong. like i said we dont need disagreements between us. That is the biggest problem in the Ummah today, Disagreements. If he says that the Chechen leader offered men than I believe him coz he is my bro just as u are my bro. I feel the anger that lies in you and its not helathy, trust me i know. I have been filled with anger for may years as well. however no good actians come out of anger.

So calm down and lets have consensus in the Ummah. for the sake of Allah SWT.
 
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