Hamas Full Control Of Gaza!

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I don't agree with you .. I think that Hamas has more popularity than Fatah In the islamic world .. and palestine as well.

at least with Hamas we can dream about the Ending of this unjust occupation.

peace :statisfie

What a pipe dream. Actually you are correct, you can "dream" of Hamas ending this occupation. While you are dreaming the Israelis will respond to the actions of Hamas and kill more Palestinians, while the Palestinians aren't busy killing themselves. The Palestinian people will become even more poor and desperate, while you dream and Hamas stays "popular" to the Islamic world.
 
Abbas is a big traitor to the palestinians; he now forms phony government. What did he make difference except earn big check from zionist for himself. I know he did not earn alot of money since hamas took over and were sanction by zionist supporters. Look at him now smiling next to olmert and its zionist leaders. Abbas is not the right leader for palestinians, he shows sympathy to the zionist. Gaza is being invaded by zionist war machines; tanks are already rolling in gaza while abbas is shaking hands with olmert.
 
Abbas is a big traitor to the palestinians; he now forms phony government. What did he make difference except earn big check from zionist for himself. I know he did not earn alot of money since hamas took over and were sanction by zionist supporters. Look at him now smiling next to olmert and its zionist leaders. Abbas is not the right leader for palestinians, he shows sympathy to the zionist. Gaza is being invaded by zionist war machines; tanks are already rolling in gaza while abbas is shaking hands with olmert.
Sounds like a totally bias opinion based on zero facts. :-\
 
Sounds like a totally bias opinion based on zero facts. :-\

What do you expect me to say"God bless Israel"? The fact is Abbas political compaign to resist uccupation have little effect. Palestinians and muslims goal is to free palestine from zionist uccupation. On his first day he appointed his illegal government; gaza was already being bombarded. Its actual fact Abbas is favoring Israel more than his own people suffering. This not bias view; its already taking effect especially Abbas ruling
 
What do you expect me to say"God bless Israel"? The fact is Abbas political compaign to resist uccupation have little effect. Palestinians and muslims goal is to free palestine from zionist uccupation. On his first day he appointed his illegal government; gaza was already being bombarded. Its actual fact Abbas is favoring Israel more than his own people suffering. This not bias view; its already taking effect especially Abbas ruling
How about an honest statement?
Abbas's lack of sucess does not mean he is an agent of Israel.
Lies and distortions, how sad.
It has been bad for 6o years. Abbas didn't start it.
The fact that many Palestinians do not want peace as a primary objective has more to do with causing the failure than Abbas.
You can't solve problems if you have no clue to what caused them.
 
Please advise why it is that Hamas does not allow Christians to worship in areas controlled by Hamas?

Why does Hamas destroy bibles and hurt christians???-

Are you even aware that "Christians" ran on the Hamas ticket during the last Parliamentary elections?

Before accusing Hamas of destroying bibles and hurting Christians, why don't you first familiarize yourself with Palestinian Christain grievances against that Apartheid state, and what it did to Christian sites since it's inception in 1948.

If you are going to make accusations against alleged acts that Hamas committed, kindly provide the proof to back it up...
 
Salam Zman

responding to the article from 'informationclearinghouse'

“…The vast bulk of Palestinians, at home and in the Diaspora, will not accept a quisling government in Ramallah that might be at Israel’s beck and call.”

You would have thought America had learned a lesson in Afghanistan. After the Russian’s were repelled Bin Laden turned his attentions to the West and here they go again in Palestine.
Fatah was never going to at the beck and call of the occupiers as the Vichy were to the Germans in France and the bulk of the Palestinian people don’t believe that to be the case. They do believe Fatah are corrupt and are interested in power and money!
The best Israel and America would have got is another Barbary Coast type of an affair where America paid the Muslim pirates to stop attacking ships and enslaving the sailors and as it never stopped the Muslim’s piracy (they just kept asking high and higher ransoms) neither was Fatah going to stop attacking Israel.

‘Yes, America gave us weapons to kill each other, while making sure to starve and torment us, as if the Nazis of our time wanted us to kill and be killed hungry.

These are not allegations or unsubstantiated claims but well-known facts.’


Do you see the bias?
Israel supplied Fatah in the desperate hope (futile) that with them in power they might get some peace.
Why should Israel supply fuel and money and aid to Gaza with constant Kassem rocket attacks? Actually they are allowing aid in avoid ‘humanitarian crisis’ so I’ve read.

"O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guides not a people unjust." Quran 5:51

Yes the West does give arms to Muslim’s to kill other Muslims and it’s a stupid thing to do. The idiots are going to supply arms to the Sunni’s in Iraq to fight al-Qaeda, can you fathom that? They do not understand Islam. Muslim’s will never make a lasting alliance with infidels. Every Westerner should be made to read the Qu’ran, Hadith and Sunnah.

‘US officials and media have been openly speaking about igniting civil war in Gaza and the West Bank.

Elliot Abrams, who is answerable to AIPAC, even boasted about his success in setting Palestinians against each other.’


Having your enemies fight between themselves is seen as an advantage.

‘This is not a matter of Fatah vs. Hamas.

This is a matter of Palestine and Palestine is not for sale.’


Imagine, hypothetically, Israeli’s have been driven into the sea or killed. The Sunni look up only to see the Iranian Shiite’s intolerant eyes. Were right back to the Bronze Age after Muhammad’s death but instead of swords we are in the nuclear age.

You will never find a pro-western article on ‘http://www.informationclearinghouse’.
Not that there is nothing of value to be got from the unaccountable authors.
Muslim’s find an unlikely kefir ally, in the politically left leaning contributors who also have a problem with Western governments.
The left wingers are correct, the problem’s facing humanity are global economic powers, the multinational corporations which have no allegiance to any country and here we are being distracted by having to deal with a religion who wants to conquer, enslave, subjucate and make dimmni or kill us.

Islam seeks nothing less than a total global domination. The word Islam literally means “submission” or “surrender”, the kind that comes by force or fraud. Its scripture must be taken literally; its provisions are intended to dominate every waking moment in the life of a believer. There is no room for being a half-hearted Muslim and no toleration of watering down its invocations.
 
nope, that belongs (and should be) to the Jews. i wouldn't oppose to it being controlled bythe UN.. but not to palestine.

Old City of Jerusalem belongs to Palestinians. Why? Currently most of the population are Palestinians. If Jews want to pray on the Western Walls they are welcomed... but they cant live in the Muslim, Armenian and Christian quarters.

the Jews should also get more power in hebron..

The Jews should either became Palestinian citizens or Israelis living within Palestinian territories. Hebron belongs to Palestinians.

if the Christians went and took over mecca, you would be offended. why? because mecca is the muslim place. it's the most holy city to islam. well, for Judaism it is Jerusalem and Hebron. i know these places are sacred to muslims too, and that's fine.. but ultimetely, they belong to the Jews.

If the Christians took over Mecca, first of all, the Christian communities in Muslim nations would be extinct.... then there would be zillions of suicide bombings in Mecca.

But when Muslims came to Jerusalem... why there are no Jews killing Muslims or stage a protest?

The Answer:
* We saved them from Christians
* We rebuild a holy place on Table Mount (before Muslims came, Temple Mount was a dumpsite)

After we rebuild a house of worship (with no idols in it...and make it sacred), established special quarters from Christians, Jews, Armenians and Muslims. Give them peace, give them good administration..... and no Jews protesting Muslims keeping Jerusalem for hundreds of yours...

Suddenly, after they managed to get support from the USA and Europe... they just came to Palestinian houses and chased them away like dogs.

Jews should realise that they have lost Israel when God decides to expel them from Israel.

Imagine, your ancestors came to settle in a place for hundred of years with no interruptions, established a business/farm, having lots of passionate of the place you're living..... then suddenly someones claimed (with no proper documentations like title deeds etc) and forced you to get out... Is it Justice?

It's not Palestinians that expelled the Jews.... but why they have to pay for the crimes they never did.

Seriously, Israelis might have a country right now... but they have Palestinians bloods on their hand..... and they are proud of it?imsad
 
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I want to ask you .. is it an Israeli site?


you asked for facts, I gave you some ! Still not contented?

Ermm, the same text was on many other websites, I just grab the first I got because I'm in office !

Anyway, I didn't expect any other answer than the 'This is a consiracy' classical response !
 
Imagine, your ancestors came to settle in a place for hundred of years with no interruptions, established a business/farm, having lots of passionate of the place you're living..... then suddenly someones claimed (with no proper documentations like title deeds etc) and forced you to get out... Is it Justice?


Other than the "hundreds of years" (we are now in the second half of the first) isn't that exactly what any native born Jewish Israeli would think? Why should people born outside Israel have a claim to the the farm they were born in, or business they built up from scratch?

It's too long now, the Israelis aren't going anywhere. Hamas fantasies to the contrary will cause only more pain and suffereing to Palestinian and Israeli alike.
 
Hamas will only make it worse and eventually will lose the war and its land to israel. You should know the more they fight the less land they have and no one is going to stop israel when people are anonymously launching rockets at civilian targets

Better or worse .. it's our problem not yours.

So, don't imagine that we are from those who kneel to Israeli killer .. Like Abbas this big traitor .. who sell his land for Money and seat.

we are a honorable people .. we can't sell our Land and Lose our dignity for some food.

peace .. I hope you understand me
 
you asked for facts, I gave you some ! Still not contented?

Ermm, the same text was on many other websites, I just grab the first I got because I'm in office !

Anyway, I didn't expect any other answer than the 'This is a consiracy' classical response !


As a moslem .. I should be a honest person.

So, what I want to said is: If they really do these deeds .. then I can't disprove that they makes alot of errors in the name of islam .. and Iam the first one who resistant them doings .. but Iam not sure yet.

God knows best.
 
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The Jews should either became Palestinian citizens or Israelis living within Palestinian territories. Hebron belongs to Palestinians.



If the Christians took over Mecca, first of all, the Christian communities in Muslim nations would be extinct.... then there would be zillions of suicide bombings in Mecca.

But when Muslims came to Jerusalem... why there are no Jews killing Muslims or stage a protest?

The Answer:
* We saved them from Christians
* We rebuild a holy place on Table Mount (before Muslims came, Temple Mount was a dumpsite)

After we rebuild a house of worship (with no idols in it...and make it sacred), established special quarters from Christians, Jews, Armenians and Muslims. Give them peace, give them good administration..... and no Jews protesting Muslims keeping Jerusalem for hundreds of yours...

Suddenly, after they managed to get support from the USA and Europe... they just came to Palestinian houses and chased them away like dogs.

Jews should realise that they have lost Israel when God decides to expel them from Israel.

Imagine, your ancestors came to settle in a place for hundred of years with no interruptions, established a business/farm, having lots of passionate of the place you're living..... then suddenly someones claimed (with no proper documentations like title deeds etc) and forced you to get out... Is it Justice?

It's not Palestinians that expelled the Jews.... but why they have to pay for the crimes they never did.

Seriously, Israelis might have a country right now... but they have Palestinians bloods on their hand..... and they are proud of it?imsad


Palestina was always under someones occupation, romans, arabs.. How did arabs take over Palestina? By force. The same like Israel.
 
Palestina was always under someones occupation, romans, arabs, and crusaders .. How did arabs take over Palestina? By force. The same like Israel.

Same? .... I hope you read the history of palestine before you judge.
 
How about an honest statement?
Abbas's lack of sucess does not mean he is an agent of Israel.
Lies and distortions, how sad.
It has been bad for 6o years. Abbas didn't start it.
The fact that many Palestinians do not want peace as a primary objective has more to do with causing the failure than Abbas.
You can't solve problems if you have no clue to what caused them.

Look .. we don't care about abbas Or any one else.
what we really want is to see palestine free again .. that's it.
 
Better or worse .. it's our problem not yours.
That is quite a statement, your problem not ours huh? I would feel safe saying that many of the problems that Islam faces which is then replicated in the form of suicide attacks, 9/11, hatred for the west, etc. stems for this particular issue. It is everyones problem, muslim and non muslims alike

So, don't imagine that we are from those who kneel to Israeli killer .. Like Abbas this big traitor .. who sell his land for Money and seat.
Who ever said to kneel to anyone? Arrogance is an ugly thing, Abbas realizes that Palestine is in no shape to beat Israel out of the land, Hamas is just to stupid to get it, they will fight to the death for their cause, but what will they achieve, when they are all dead their cause will die with them and then there will never be a Palestinian state. I can understand the Palestinian hatred for Israel, Israel conquered the land and took it for their own, but this is the way of the world and they can accept it or keep fighting and dying. Israel has been thriving for 60 years while at "war" with Palestine, but they show no internal signs of it, now look at Palestine, they lost this war a long time ago, when the Arabs lost. "Live to fight another day"

Not only that but the methods that Hamas is using are wrong, and are against the teachings of the Quran and the Prophet (pbuh). Do you think that Allah will grant them victory? Obviously not by looking at the shape they are in today.

Muslims conquered this land long ago, now the Jews have come back and conquered it 60 years ago, they will have that land for some time to come, you can bet on that, but who is to say that in 50 or 100 years, if the Palestinians just tried to live in peace for now they couldnt take their land back? Perhaps let their military build up, and their economy, then if they still feel they must, then attack and take back the land. With that said I feel like if they did try to live in peace, they may find their Israeli neighbors may not be so bad and perhaps they would just share the land, but who knows, it is always easy to theorize.

we are a honorable people .. we can't sell our Land and Lose our dignity for some food.
peace .. I hope you understand me

Muslims are indeed honorable people, I can understand not losing your dignity, but do you feel that Muslims are sustaining dignity by what is happening in Palestine today? I sure dont, I think it is a shame or better yet an ugly spot on Islam's history, that grows everyday this continues, lets just pray that it can be cleaned up.

Peace
 
Muslims are indeed honorable people, I can understand not losing your dignity, but do you feel that Muslims are sustaining dignity by what is happening in Palestine today? I sure dont, I think it is a shame or better yet an ugly spot on Islam's history, that grows everyday this continues, lets just pray that it can be cleaned up.

Peace

thank you MTAFFI

I agree with you .. what happening in Palestine today is a shame.
but, at the same time I can't support peace with out taking our rights back.

do you read my reply number 34?

peace.
 
thank you MTAFFI

do you read my reply number 34?

peace.

I did but it was a while back, I forgot (the memory isnt what it used to be)


Anyways I agree with you on the issue of rights, but how will they obtain rights through use of violence? I dont think that Hamas has any desire of sitting and talking about rights or the welfare of the people of Palestine, however I am not saying that Fatah would be looking out for the rights either, but I think that they would have a better chance of making progress if different militant groups would stop firing off. It is a bad situation any way you cut it, really what Palestine may need are some fresh faces and new ideas
 

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