Hamas Full Control Of Gaza!

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do you think if Hamas recognise the state of Isreal, Isreal would start talks with Hamas?

Yes, if Hamas stopped firing rockets long enough. The Israelis wouldn't like it but the diplomatic pressure from the EU and US would leave them no alternative.
 
Ameen, i just hope that Gaza does not remain islolated and the west start to deal with Hamas.....that is the least they deserve!


Well sorry to decieve you, but I just heard this morning in the news, that Israel/Arab World will unblock the bank accounts of Abbas to fight again the HAMAS, and I guess, that is also in the interest of the western world.

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You know in these kind of sitiuation one needs to look at the party with the most power. Come one realisticaly how will Hamas destroy Israel? they cant. So on that basis Isreal shoudl stop haulting at these technicalities and move towards real peace by dealing with the LEGITIMATE part Hamas.

They are weak now. But like many here, I think Hamas is hoping for the 'Ummah to unite' and that God will grant them victory? Why else are so many Muslims in favour of war with Israel if they didn't think they will be victorious? There are a lot of Muslims out there, surely they must be able to defeat Israel eventually?
 
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They are weak now. But like many here, I think Hamas is hoping for the 'Ummah to unite' and that God will grant them victory? Why else are so many Muslims in favour of war with Israel if they didn't think they will be victorious? There are a lot of Muslims out there, surely they must be able to defeat Israel eventually?

May be they can't tolerating the injustice.

U provably understands when u has same position by generations.

Some enjoy living with head high even death is ultimate result.
Some enjoy saving skin even they have to be slave of some animals for generations.
Some stuck in middle position. These people never find what to do.
Some supported both. Depending on the facilities.

Many people many mind.

And I enjoy giving honor to the people who really deserves it.
I can’t do injustice to me.

Al-Qur'an, 4.135 (An-Nisa [Women])
O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.
 
Al-Zawahri: Muslims should support Hamas By MAGGIE MICHAEL, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 21 minutes ago



CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida's deputy leader called on Muslims around the world to back Hamas with weapons, money and attacks on U.S. and Israeli interests in a Web audiotape Monday, urging the Palestinian militant group to unite with al-Qaida's "holy warriors" after its takeover of Gaza.

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The message from Ayman al-Zawahri, who is Osama bin Laden's top deputy, marked a major shift by al-Qaida, which in the past criticized Hamas for joining a government with the U.S.-supported Fatah faction.

The audiotape was clearly made after Hamas' takeover of Gaza earlier this month, marking a rapid response from al-Qaida's top leadership to the events. Its authenticity could not be independently confirmed, but it was posted on a Web forum where al-Zawahri has issued messages in the past.

Al-Zawahri urged Hamas to implement Islamic law in Gaza, telling it, "Taking over power is not a goal but a means to implement God's word on earth."

"Unite with mujahedeen (holy warriors) in Palestine ... and with all mujahedeen in the world in the face of the upcoming attack where Egyptians and Saudis are expected to play part of it," he added, suggesting that the two countries intend to attack Hamas to uproot its control of Gaza.

"Provide them (Hamas) with money, do your best to get it there, break the siege imposed on them by crusaders and Arab leader traitors," al-Zawahri, who is Osama bin Laden's top deputy, said, addressing Muslims around the world. "Facilitate weapons smuggling from neighboring countries."

"We can support them by targeting the crusader and Zionist interest wherever we can," al-Zawahri said.

The 25-minute tape, al-Zawahri's seventh released this year, was posted on the same day Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was hosting a summit in the Red Sea resort town of Sharm el-Sheik as a show of support for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah. Along with Mubarak and Abbas, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Jordan's King Abdullah II are also attending the meeting.

The tape was titled "40 years on the fall of Jerusalem," a reference to the 40th anniversary of the 1967 war in which Israel defeated armies from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria and captured the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem.

Al-Zawahri harshly attacked former Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser, blaming him for the defeat, and Mubarak for serving the interests of the U.S. and Israel.

The tape, which was posted with a picture of al-Zawahri, came a day after the alleged chief of al-Qaida in Egypt Mohammed Khalil al-Hakayma called for attacks against Israeli civilians and military personnel in Egypt.

"O Mujahedeen ... uproot the Zionist presence in the land of Egypt, stand up and set fire everywhere and don't differentiate between a civilian and a military personnel, as they have raided our children and women, we will also kill their children and women," said the online statement.
The authenticity of the statement could not be verified, but it was posted on the same Web site as al-Zawahri's audiotape.

Last year, al-Zawahri announced in a video tape that al-Qaida had established a branch in Egypt led by al-Hakayama.

Al-Hakayama was a member of Egypt's al-Gamaa Islamiya, or Islamic group, which waged a campaign of violence in Egypt during the 1990s, but was crushed in a government crackdown.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070625/ap_on_re_mi_ea/palestinians_al_qaida
 
I didn't even know this thread existed so I mentioned this interesting development in the old Gaza thread. Either way, let's get some opinions on this, here or there.
 
We dont kill innocent people like they do. In this matter we differ with some people. But overall good message.

BUT i repeat Islam does not allow killing innocent people - whoever does this will answer to ALlah (swt). So we disagree with Dr Ayman - the Americans are not our teachers.

But we ask Allah (swt) to guide the Mujahideen.

People say incorrect things sometimes in Fog of War. Just ask the american war criminals...
 
We dont kill innocent people like they do. In this matter we differ with some people. But overall good message.

BUT i repeat Islam does not allow killing innocent people - whoever does this will answer to ALlah (swt). So we disagree with Dr Ayman - the Americans are not our teachers.

But we ask Allah (swt) to guide the Mujahideen.

People say incorrect things sometimes in Fog of War. Just ask the american war criminals...

who is "we"
 
"We" is all the Muslims i know.

We don't agree with killing innocent people (or maybe it should be I) but one has to give them sympathy because:

I don't have Amerikkkan troops in my country killing innocent people on a daily basis.

Also there is ton loads of evidence against killing innocents.

The Americans however are worse. Hundred times worse than Al Qaeda.
 
"Unite with mujahedeen (holy warriors) in Palestine ... and with all mujahedeen in the world in the face of the upcoming attack where Egyptians and Saudis are expected to play part of it," he added, suggesting that the two countries intend to attack Hamas to uproot its control of Gaza.

What on earth would they do that for?!
 
Hamas is also saying that they have captured around $400 million worth of weapons and other military equipment that the American government had supplied to Fatah. They will also be making available in coming weeks the CIA documents that detail the collaboration between the Americans and the Arab regimes against the various Islamic movements in the region.

Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=56262
 
"We" is all the Muslims i know.
It is good to know that you and all the Muslims you know do not condone the killing of innocent people
We don't agree with killing innocent people (or maybe it should be I) but one has to give them sympathy because:
There can be no sympathy given to those who kill innocent people, they are treacherous murderers and are the reason that the world is in the shape it is in today, and they are the feeding trough that keeps the medias belly full

I don't have Amerikkkan troops in my country killing innocent people on a daily basis.
There are far more "Muslims" killing innocent people in these countries everyday than there are American troops, in fact it is very rare to see US troops deliberately targeting civilians as the suicide bombers to in these countries

Also there is ton loads of evidence against killing innocents.
I am not sure I follow
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The Americans however are worse. Hundred times worse than Al Qaeda.
I have to disagree, do tell how are the Americans worse? If they are worse does that make it OK to Al-Qaeda to do what they do? Is it then OK for you to support them because you believe that they are the lesser of the two evils?

"And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah(polytheism) is worse than killing. " (1:190,191).
 
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It does, but I'll believe it when I see it!
Same here, and I'm defintely very interested in seeing something like this! Hope they make it public for download and analysis like they did with Ahmedinajad's letter to Bush. Now THAT would be cool :D

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The Americans however are worse. Hundred times worse than Al Qaeda.
Going by the actions of the US government throughout history, this is true.
 
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Amerikka has killed nearly half a million kids in Iraaq via sanctions before they even invaded.

No the "insurgents" whom everyone thinks are non-Iraqi (LOL) are making them pay. And they have a right to defend their country.

"Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery." - Malcolm X

Saddam killed those kids, humanitarian aid, such as food and medicene where not sanction to Iraq by the US, but Saddam said if you will not give me weapons or weapon building material then I will not take anything, he then took the back door route with some Russians, etc and basically starved his people while he bathed in money and food.

Some of the insurgents are Iraqi, they are former military personel under Saddams reign, they have a right to defend their country, but who are they defending it against? The US soldiers who are there to act as police or Al-qaeda who is there to incite violence, destroy infrastructure, etc.
 
Well i dont want to continue this convo because:

1. I believe America have occupied, invaders and crusaders
2. I believe "Insurgents" are home grown mainly, with other muslim helpers from sorrounding nations. And i call them freedom fighters not "Insurgents".

So lets agree to disagree on these points.

I support the Mujahideen in their aim of freeing Iraq, etc. But we cannot support them in actions that violate the Sharia. i.e. Innocent Civilians, Women and Children.

We praise for thier good acts i.e. the legitimate resistance like Fallujah.

We condemn them for killing innocents i.e. the bombs.

Brothers dont believe evrything you hear from the western media. Sometimes we can get the info from ourside.

i.e. As-Sahab, Al Jazeera
 

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