Hamas sanctions squeeze the life out of West Bank

[Syed Nizam]

How is the Western world allowing this suffering? Since when did every problem in the world become the fault of the West? The Palestinians have chosen to support Hamas. Fair enough. I would have too if I were a Palestinian. But why should Westerners go on paying their money to people who want to murder them? If they reject a hand of friendship whose fault is that? The real question is why have the Palestinians been supported by the West since 1949 without any consequences before?

Let's see the Muslims step up to the plate and replace the lost aid.

How is the Western world allowing the suffering? The answer is simple. Actually it is contained in the earlier posts that you have posted (read the entire post will ya...;D , just joking dude). It reads something like this ".....They have reason to be cautious. Five years ago, when al-Aqsa Islamic Bank in the West Bank city of Ramallah was described by President George W Bush as "a financial arm of Hamas'', its global business vanished overnight." This is the guilty part of the Western world in particular. The Arab nations have pledged the funds to be transferred to the Palestinian people, but, this remains the biggest obstacle of all since virtually NO bank is willing to offer it's services with the full knowledge of the impending sanctions or threat (or whatever u might choose to call) from Washington. The Western world, as usual, are readily obliged to the Washington pressure. Is this does not constitute to the injustice towards the Palestinion people, that i wouldn't know how to call it then?

The Westerner dont have to pay, FINE! Nobody forced them to do so in the first place. They did it before in a clear conscience to an extent. But, if they choose not to do so, then please let the funds pledged by other nations to reach the Palestinian people. Dont impose any hypocritical terms & regulations for others who choose to do so. It's so plain & simple.

Since when did the people of Palestine become the Westerner's enemy? And since when did the Palestinian people transpires to killed all the Westerner? Wow! This is amazing man! They cant even defend themselves, less to murder any other people. Since when did they reject any hands of friendship? Or may I rephrase that to since when did any genuine, sincere and honest `hands of friendship' have been extended to them? All these times the hands of friendship that have been extended to them is only limited to unilateral terms, without even give a consideration to the their plight.

You asked "The real question is why have the Palestinians been supported by the West since 1949 without any consequences before?". My question "Since when did the Palestinians have been `truly' supported by the West before?" My rhetoric is simple, if the Palestinian people have truly feels that they have been supported by the West before, surely they would have voted in overwhelmingly for the pro-western Fatah party in the last general election. So, what went wrong here? Why did they choose Hamas? It's for you to answer.....

 

[Syed Nizam]

Democracy does not mean other countries are forced to pay for your democratic choices!

Agreed. But Democracy also means that the people of other countries are not being penalised for their democratic choices.....;D Don't you think so?

 

[Zzims]

You are perfectly entitled to that opinion.



Yes but are they expected to share their money with people who are trying to kill them? That is the question. And zakat, as I discovered this week, is not to go to non-Muslims. So why should non-Muslims give any money to Muslims in charity much less to Muslims who are trying to kill them?



Except all that has happened in the West is that the West has decided not to go on giving money to the Palestinians. They are not stopping Muslims giving money. They are not stopping Palestinians earning money. They are just not subsidising them any more. I think that is fairly reasonable actually.

at least give other to contributed to palestinians without having blacklisted.. Sanctions.. Blockades by Israel in which palestinian cant make money go to jobs or get a job.. Darining Paletine of resources and Aid.. whihc by the way doesnt really work if u wanna put any kind of Road maps..

 

[HeiGou]

Agreed. But Democracy also means that the people of other countries are not being penalised for their democratic choices.....;D Don't you think so?

No. Depending on what you mean by penalised.

 

[HeiGou]

How is the Western world allowing the suffering? The answer is simple. Actually it is contained in the earlier posts that you have posted (read the entire post will ya...;D , just joking dude). It reads something like this ".....They have reason to be cautious. Five years ago, when al-Aqsa Islamic Bank in the West Bank city of Ramallah was described by President George W Bush as "a financial arm of Hamas'', its global business vanished overnight." This is the guilty part of the Western world in particular.

Sorry? The US has no right to be concerned about Hamas' bankers? Cautious, not forbidden.

The Arab nations have pledged the funds to be transferred to the Palestinian people, but, this remains the biggest obstacle of all since virtually NO bank is willing to offer it's services with the full knowledge of the impending sanctions or threat (or whatever u might choose to call) from Washington.

Take it in big brown paper bags then. We will see if they actually pledge the funds and then if they deliver them. But so what if the Americans threaten some banks? How many Islamic banks do business in the US anyway?

The Westerner dont have to pay, FINE! Nobody forced them to do so in the first place. They did it before in a clear conscience to an extent. But, if they choose not to do so, then please let the funds pledged by other nations to reach the Palestinian people. Dont impose any hypocritical terms & regulations for others who choose to do so. It's so plain & simple.

You are trying to force them and have adopted the language of obligation. No doubt other funds will be mobilised and will get through. Although a lot of experience suggests that the Arab countries are not as generous as the US and Europe when it comes to aid for Palestinians.

Since when did the people of Palestine become the Westerner's enemy?

Oh I don't know, since the Palestinians started murdering Westerners perhaps?

And since when did the Palestinian people transpires to killed all the Westerner? Wow! This is amazing man! They cant even defend themselves, less to murder any other people.

Really? Hoiw about this

Swissair Flight 330
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Swissair Flight SR330 was a regularly scheduled flight from Zürich International Airport in Kloten, Switzerland to Tel Aviv, Israel.

On February 21, 1970, HB-ICD [1] a Convair CV-990 Coronado jet named “Baselland” was flying on the route with 38 passengers and 9 crew. A bomb detonated in the aft cargo compartment of the aircraft about 9 minutes after take-off climb-out on southerly course approximately at 12:15 UTC in the area of Lucerne north of the Gotthard-Pass. The crew tried to turn around and attempt an emergency landing at Zürich but had difficulty seeing the instruments due to smoke in the cockpit. The aircraft deviated more and more to the west and crashed a short time later in a wooded area at Würenlingen near Zürich, Switzerland, due to the loss of electrical power. All aboard the aircraft were killed.

The PFLP group of George Habash claimed responsibility for the bombing. A barometric triggered IED had been used.

The crash site is approximately 900 metres from a Swiss nuclear research reactor (Paul-Scherrer-Institut). The nuclear power plant Beznau, which opened in 1969, is only about two kilometres from the crash site.

On the same day, a bomb exploded aboard a Vienna-bound Caravelle after takeoff from Frankfurt. The Caravelle landed safely.​

You asked "The real question is why have the Palestinians been supported by the West since 1949 without any consequences before?". My question "Since when did the Palestinians have been `truly' supported by the West before?" My rhetoric is simple, if the Palestinian people have truly feels that they have been supported by the West before, surely they would have voted in overwhelmingly for the pro-western Fatah party in the last general election. So, what went wrong here? Why did they choose Hamas? It's for you to answer.....

I have not claimed that the Palestinians have been supported by the West. They have not. Fatah is not a pro-Western party. It is merely the least anti-Western. I am perfectly aware that Israel has destroyed Fatah and driven the Palestinians into the arms of Hamas. But that is not the question. The West has been generous with aid to the Palestinians and got nothing for it but bombs. At some point the West was obviously going to cut off that aid. What is that other than sensible?

 

[Syed Nizam]

Btw, sanctions is an inaccurate description. A better phrase would be 'end of subsidizing'. And both Europe and the US still pay millions for aid to the Pals,...

Hmmm, if i'm not mistaken, both Europe & US have effectively suspended their so-called `aids' to the Palestinian. With the Israeli's effectively blocking all of the exit point, I dont forsee any points where this statement might be effectively correct! No way man!

...but our representatives have decided it would be a bad idea to essentially give money to Hamas directly. I agree with them.

Who cares? If you want to give, give it honestly. If you dont want to give, then don't! Btw, who cares about Hamas. Whether it is your money or other people money, just made sure that it really reaches the Palestinian people! Not in any other corrupted coffers of the PLO or Fatah or any other person.....

 

[Zzims]

Hmmm, if i'm not mistaken, both Europe & US have effectively suspended their so-called `aids' to the Palestinian. With the Israeli's effectively blocking all of the exit point, I dont forsee any points where this statement might be effectively correct! No way man!


Who cares? If you want to give, give it honestly. If you dont want to give, then don't! Btw, who cares about Hamas. Whether it is your money or other people money, just made sure that it really reaches the Palestinian people! Not in any other corrupted coffers of the PLO or Fatah or any other person.....

I agree.. Giving the money staright to the people is a wise decision.. giving others to allocated the money and spend for their benefits is just another way of corruption..

 

[Syed Nizam]

No. Depending on what you mean by penalised.

I would terms the current situation by "being penalised". As you are aware, all of those employed by the Palestinian government (civil servants, teachers etc...) are indeed Palestinian people! No matter whichever parties formed the government, they will always be there! So, why penalised them by imposing so many conditions on the monies to be distributed to them? Forget about Hamas, or Fatah.... If the West dont want to contribite, fine! Just get the monies delivered to these people!PERIOD...

 

[HeiGou]

I would terms the current situation by "being penalised". As you are aware, all of those employed by the Palestinian government (civil servants, teachers etc...) are indeed Palestinian people! No matter whichever parties formed the government, they will always be there! So, why penalised them by imposing so many conditions on the monies to be distributed to them? Forget about Hamas, or Fatah.... If the West dont want to contribite, fine! Just get the monies delivered to these people!PERIOD...

No conditions are being imposed on the money given to them. They just are not being given any money at all. At least not by the West.

It is not for the West to help arrange the delivery of that money either. If they can raise the funds they need, fine, but stop complaing about it. If a bank wants to do business with terrorist groups, they can expect a response from the West. But one or other will, no doubt, be willing to take the risk.

 

[Syed Nizam]

Sorry? The US has no right to be concerned about Hamas' bankers? Cautious, not forbidden.

Oh yeah? Is that so? DOES the word "Palestinian people" be equivalent to Hamas? The US have no rights whatsoever to meddle in the affairs of the Palestinian people! If they want to penalised Hamas, fine! But what right do they have on the average Palestinian people?

Take it in big brown paper bags then. We will see if they actually pledge the funds and then if they deliver them. But so what if the Americans threaten some banks? How many Islamic banks do business in the US anyway?

Why are you being sarcastic? What is the logic of carrying large amount of monies in a paper bag? What is this have to do about the Islamic bank? Why are you being racists here? First, u said that it's the western rights NOT to give the monies. FINE, WHO CARES? Then, when there are actually some other nation who pledge the monies, u gave EXCUSES! Would they deliver? This does not have nothing to do with you! You are NOT the judge who decide ultimately who will deliver or not! What kind logic of reasoning is this?

You are trying to force them and have adopted the language of obligation. No doubt other funds will be mobilised and will get through. Although a lot of experience suggests that the Arab countries are not as generous as the US and Europe when it comes to aid for Palestinians.

Again, WHO CARES?

Oh I don't know, since the Palestinians started murdering Westerners perhaps?
......The PFLP group of George Habash claimed responsibility for the bombing. A barometric triggered IED had been used......

George Habash? Certainly the names DOES not denotes somebody from the Hamas or Fatah.....;D . But, beside that, WHY PUNISH THE WHOLE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE ON THE ACTION OF A FEW PEOPLE? Where is your logic of reasoning? We, for instance have never blame the WHOLE american people for the action of it's government! Certainly we are not arrogant!:?

 

[Syed Nizam]

No conditions are being imposed on the money given to them. They just are not being given any money at all. At least not by the West.

It is not for the West to help arrange the delivery of that money either. If they can raise the funds they need, fine, but stop complaing about it. If a bank wants to do business with terrorist groups, they can expect a response from the West. But one or other will, no doubt, be willing to take the risk.

Again, & again.... u missed the whole point here! THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE ARE NOT HAMAS, AND THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE ARE NOT TERRORISTS! Get your FACTS rights!

 

[*noor]

If a bank wants to do business with terrorist groups, they can expect a response from the West. But one or other will, no doubt, be willing to take the risk.

what terrorist groups??:?

 

[HeiGou]

Again, & again.... u missed the whole point here! THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE ARE NOT HAMAS, AND THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE ARE NOT TERRORISTS! Get your FACTS rights!

I am not missing the point at all. No one has said that the Palestinian people are Hamas or that they are terrorists. Just that they voted for Hamas who are, as it happens, terrorists. Now I have as much sympathy for the Palestinians as I can muster, but if they want to vcote for people who want to kill me, I think that my money ought not be given to them. What facts do you think are in dispute here?

 

[Syed Nizam]

I am not missing the point at all. No one has said that the Palestinian people are Hamas or that they are terrorists. Just that they voted for Hamas who are, as it happens, terrorists. Now I have as much sympathy for the Palestinians as I can muster, but if they want to vcote for people who want to kill me, I think that my money ought not be given to them. What facts do you think are in dispute here?

Redefine Terrorists then!
Israelis launched a terror campaign against Palestinian civilians, setting off bombs in markets and attacking buses, THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
Palestinian fight back with the suicide bombers, THEY ARE TERRORISTS!

Israelis kill western people, THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
Palestinian kill western people, THEY ARE TERRORISTS!

Israelis forces raped women and girls, butchered infants and cut open the womb of a nine-months pregnant woman, THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
Palestinian fights back, THEY ARE TERRORISTS!

Israelis literally FORCED their way into Palestinian land the Uniteral 1947 UN partition plan where they are granted 54% of the land of Palestine, including the most fertile areas, THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
Palestinian who have been fighting for their land, THEY ARE TERRORISTS!

Isarelis usds a range of terror weapons on civilians including cluster and phosphorous bombs which is banned under the 1980 UN Geneva convention, THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
Palestinian who fight back with stones, semi automatic rifles & home made mortar, THEY ARE TERRORISTS!

Israelis practised ethnic cleansing (Sabra & Shatilla etc...), THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
Palestinian who fight back the oppression, THEY ARE TERRORISTS!

Israelis have the right to `Self-Defense' by using all sorts of modern weaponry imaginable against a non-existance army, THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
Palestinian have the right to fight the Israeli occupation, THEY ARE TERRORISTS![/B]

Really, the lists goes on...... So my dear friend, what terms of terrorists & terrorisms are you referring too?

 

[Syed Nizam]

I am not missing the point at all. No one has said that the Palestinian people are Hamas or that they are terrorists. Just that they voted for Hamas who are, as it happens, terrorists. Now I have as much sympathy for the Palestinians as I can muster, but if they want to vcote for people who want to kill me, I think that my money ought not be given to them. What facts do you think are in dispute here?

Redefine Terrorists then!
Israelis launched a terror campaign against Palestinian civilians, setting off bombs in markets and attacking buses, THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
Palestinian fight back with the suicide bombers, THEY ARE TERRORISTS!

Israelis kill western people, THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
Palestinian kill western people, THEY ARE TERRORISTS!

Israelis forces raped women and girls, butchered infants and cut open the womb of a nine-months pregnant woman, THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
Palestinian fights back, THEY ARE TERRORISTS!

Israelis literally FORCED their way into Palestinian land in the Uniteral 1947 UN partition plan where they are granted 54% of the land of Palestine, including the most fertile areas, THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
Palestinian who have been fighting for their land, THEY ARE TERRORISTS!

Isarelis usds a range of terror weapons on civilians including cluster and phosphorous bombs which is banned under the 1980 UN Geneva convention, THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
Palestinian who fight back with stones, semi automatic rifles & home made mortar, THEY ARE TERRORISTS!

Israelis practised ethnic cleansing (Sabra & Shatilla etc...), THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
Palestinian who fight back the oppression, THEY ARE TERRORISTS!

Israelis have the right to `Self-Defense' by using all sorts of modern weaponry imaginable against a non-existance army, THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
Palestinian have the right to fight the Israeli occupation, THEY ARE TERRORISTS!

Really, the lists goes on...... So my dear friend, what terms of terrorists & terrorisms are you referring too?:?

 

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Interesting that...........:?