Handbags and Hijabs

[Ibn Syed]

The jilbab cannot show the shape of the body.

 

[Ra`eesah]

Assalamu’Alaykum

I think you are taking the crow thing too far... just because the hadith says they were like crows on their head doesn't mean it has to be black in color.

-I am sorry you think that I am talking the “ Crow thing t o far” But i’m not its what I have been taught. Where did u learn this hadith from who taught it to u?

You guys are misunderstanding what i am saying. I guess its to do with where you live.

-Ok who are you? And what did you say?

Sis you live in canada and abdul i'm assuming you live in UK. Both countries with considerable muslim population.. where it is easier to wear niqab and all in black .. without fears of backlash.
How would you feel wearing a full niqab in an all-white remote US town? I wear a jilbaab and i live in a small college town where there are only 10 muslims max and I'm extra careful when i go out cuz of heavy conservative hick population in this town.

-I am originally From the states, just came her to Canada to visit 2 months back. And who said wearing niqab is easy? Do you wear Niqab? IF not how can u tell me its easy if yourself have never experienced it. How would I feel I would feel gr8 I would feel that for once I can do something for my Lord and sacrifice just like the Sahabas before me did. I wear niqab to please Allah.

I have nothing against niqaabis But i don't see the point of wearing niqaab in a place where you know you will be getting more attention cuz of your clothes and this attention CAN be unwanted and harmful. Just like how the lady waiting outside the bank was mistakenly arrested. So why wear something when you know there can be harmful repercussions to it.. SPEcially when its not even fardh.

-Ok it not being Farth is you opinion every women I Know for a FACT that wears niqab belives that its Farth. There are Scholors who debt this issue of wearing Niqab some say Wajib others say Mustahab. Speaking with out knowlegde is dangerous. There is proof of niqab being wajib but I am not going to get into that now. You say you don’t see the point of wearing niqaab in a place where you know you will be getting more attention??? so why do you wear a “JILBAAB” when u live in a town where there ONLY 10 muslims? Weather you see the point or you don’t my beloved sister in Islam... i;m doing it to please Allah.

It is strange to people whose hearts are sealed.. but if you talk to sincere non-muslims.. to them islam really is A very simple way of life.

-Islam is starnage even its own communtiy many muslims that are ignorent to the deen, and ask silly qns as to why women wear niqab, Even if it is SUNNAH... no one asks WHY DO U PRAY SUNNAH SALAAT “I DON’T SEE THE POINT” only when it comes to sisters that are Niqaabis and that want to struggle for their deen then it becomes an issue through out the muslim world. Brothers and Sister who stick to the original dress code of an Islamic dress Brothers wearing THOB sisters wearing NIQAAB look strange to most brothers and sisters that are not as conservative.

Sometimes i see us making islam so hard for ourselves... when in reality it is NOT.

-because a sister wants to wear niqab shes making it hard for herself... but if a sisters wants to stay the whole night crying and praying to her lord she is trying to come closer to Allah and is by no means trying to make it hard for herself... Subhanallah.... Alhamdulillaah for me I don’t think its Hard because Allah gave us sisters who wear the Niqab the strength and power to face anything.

Bro it is all about the person. Believe it or not there are men who have niqab fetishes and who think women in niqaab are sexy Nouzubillah! And i never said normal clothes.... even if it is normal clothes.. as long as the they are modest and are NOT attractive.. how is that not modest and islamic attire?

-The brothers who think a sister that wears Niqaab are “ sexy Nouzubillah” are sick in their heart and mind.

I know it is useless arguing about this.. but i see alot of men going on and on about women wearing islamic clothing but Don't really care about men dressing modestly and imitating the kuffar. We have more men in the masajid who wear their pants low and pretend to be all gangsta than women who wear unislamic clothing. Naseeha and criticism should be balanced.

-this thread here is about Sisters and islamic dress code talking about brothers and islamic dress code here would be going off topic but inshallah we can have a new thread about brothers and Islamic dress code. And I don’t know anyone who is criticizing here.


NOTE: Some if not MOST SISTERS on Li are niqabis so please becareful as to not offend any of them.

 

[Khaldun]

mashAllah, some reading some ppl might want to do aswell http://members.tripod.com/~ibnfarooq/niqaab.htm
and
http://muttaqun.com/niqab.html

 

[Ra`eesah]

Somethings like not remarrying were specific to the Prophet's (SAW) wives. I will ask a scholar if covering the face was also specific to them.

Assalamu'Alaykum

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Ahzab 33:59

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils)* all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

*the arabic word here is Jalabeeb (plural of Jalbaab), which is the loose outer garment that covers all a woman's body. It says here to use the Jalabeeb to cover all, and scholars say this means to use it to cover her head (agree upon by all scholars) and her face (agreed by many scholars, not all) and one or both eyes, in order for it to be known that she is a free woman and so not to be exposed to any harm.

Tafseer - Ibn Katheer
"Allah commanded the muslim women to cover this sheet on top of them to cover their bodies except one eye, when it is necessary for them to come out of their homes."

Tafseer - Commentary by Ibn Jarir and Ahkam-ul-Quran, Vol.III, p.457
Imam Muhammad bin Sirin said: "When I asked Ubaida bin Sufyan bin al-Harith (ra) the meaning of this verse and how the jalbaab was to worn, he demonstrated it to me by pulling a sheet of cloth over his head to cover his entire body, leaving the left eye uncovered. This was also the explanation of the word 'Alaihinna in this verse"

Tafseer - Alu'si, Rul-ul-Ma'ani, Vol. 22, p. 89
"Ibn Jarir Tabari and Ibn Al-Mundhir described the method of wearing the jalbaab according to Ibn Abbas (ra) and Qatadah (ra). The sheet should be wrapped around from the top, covering the forehead, then bringing one side of the sheet to cover the face below the eyes so that most of the face and the upper body is covered. This will leave both eyes uncovered (which is allowed in necessity).

The following Fatawa is from Sheikh Ibn Uthaimin: ​

"The Islamic hijab is for the women to cover everything that is forbidden for her to expose. That is, she covers everything that she must cover.

"The first of those bodily parts that she must cover is her face. It is the source of temptation and the source of people desiring her. Therefore, the woman must cover her face in front of those men that are not Mahram (i.e. father, huband, etc.).

"As for those who claim that Islamic hijab is to cover the head, shoulders, back, feet, shin and forearms while allowing her to uncover her face and hands, this is a very amazing claim. This is because it is well-known that the source of temptation and looking is the face. How can one say that the Shariah does no allow the exposure of the foot of the woman while it allows her to uncover her face?

"It is not possible that there could be in the Esteemed, Wise and Noble Shariah a contradiction. Yet everyone knows that the temptation from uncovering the face is much greater than the temptation that results from the uncovering of the feet. Everyone also knows that the most sought after aspect of the woman for men is the face. If you told a prospective groom that a woman’s face is ugly but her feet are beautiful, he would not propose to such a woman.

"However, if you told him that her face was beautiful but her hands, palms, or shins were less than beautiful, he would still propose to her. From this one can conclude that the face is the first thing that must be covered.

"There are also evidences from the Book of Allah (SWT) and the Sunnah of our Prophet (SAW). There are also statements from the Companions, the leading Imams and the great scholars of Islam that indicate that it is obligatory for the woman to cover all of her body in the presence of non-Mahram men. This obviously indicates that it is obligatory upon the woman to cover her face in front of such men."

 

[BlissfullyJaded]

Jazakallah khair brother Ibn_Khaldun and sister 3washey. MashaAllah you'll said everythin I was thinking. :applaud:

 

[ahm]

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils)* all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Whereever I see that I always see the statement in brackets.

We don't want to get in to a niqab discussion. There is an excellent website that presents both sides views and arguments, but I don't have the link.

Anyway, hijab and niqab, you don't have to wear black, you can wear other colours. So you get the rewards for wearing hijab and niqab, plus reward for dawa/giving a better impression of Muslims.

 

[Noora_z3]

Salam Alykum

Seems like I missed an intresting discusson over here....I am always late.. :sister: ..well I am Niqabi myself...but i dont go about tellin other non-niqabi's that they r doing wrong, those who say that Niqab is not Fardh got some quite strong arguments too..

Black, its not sunna or anything like that, the woman is free to wear the color she wants, as long as it is not attention grabbing, like wen I was in Malaysia i didnt wear black, used to wear Off-white, grey, or Baige..still ppl looked at me surprisingly, but I knew black will creat a larger reaction, and thats why I didnt wear it, my intention was not to grab attention but to be modest and follow Allah's rules.

 

[S_87]

I think you are taking the crow thing too far... just because the hadith says they were like crows on their head doesn't mean it has to be black in color.

You guys are misunderstanding what i am saying. I guess its to do with where you live.

Sis you live in canada and abdul i'm assuming you live in UK. Both countries with considerable muslim population.. where it is easier to wear niqab and all in black .. without fears of backlash.

How would you feel wearing a full niqab in an all-white remote US town? I wear a jilbaab and i live in a small college town where there are only 10 muslims max and I'm extra careful when i go out cuz of heavy conservative hick population in this town.

I have nothing against niqaabis But i don't see the point of wearing niqaab in a place where you know you will be getting more attention cuz of your clothes and this attention CAN be unwanted and harmful. Just like how the lady waiting outside the bank was mistakenly arrested. So why wear something when you know there can be harmful repercussions to it.. SPEcially when its not even fardh.



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the bold part is debateable..so ............ there is have enough evidence that indicates it is fardh


goo link by IK and info by 3washey


ahm..there is nowehere that says black is totally necessary..agreed
but theres nothing wrong with preferring the colour black or women wearing that ...

 

[ahm]

Just to have the last word LOL only the hanbali school say it is compulsory.

 

[Ibn Syed]

LOL :lol:

 

[Danish]

Handbags and Hijabs

gotta say, i like putting on a white hijab, and pink handbag is always a winning combination....what u think Ibn Syed , ever tried it? Its quite nice, everyone looks at u

*hopes, akhi Ibn Syed is gullible enough*

 

[Ibn Syed]

I'll try it now. *gets his mom's hijab* LOLOLOLOLOLOL :lol: :lol: :haha: :haha:

 

[Ibn Syed]

OOH! I'm getting stares! :lol: LOLOLOL:haha:

 

[ahm]

There is a place in Africa where men wear niqab. You guys considering moving there?

 

[Ibn Syed]

Sure! *packs bags*

 

[Ra`eesah]

Just to have the last word LOL only the hanbali school say it is compulsory.

i wish u had the last say but... when it comes to Quraan and Sunnah the schools of thought are not taken in replacement....

 

[ahm]

*sigh* Cliche.

Well if the schools of thought relied on a separate body of knowledge then you would be correct. Schools of thought and Quran and Sunna are not mutually exclusive. Anyway this is not a place for this discussion, they don't allow it on Almaghrib forums either LOL.

 

[Ra`eesah]

Assalamu'Alaykum

Well if the schools of thought relied on a separate body of knowledge then you would be correct. Schools of thought and Quran and Sunna are not mutually exclusive.

Yes your right but we all knwo that all 4 Imaans said, if u find a hadith or Sunnah that is different from mine leave mine and follow it. ( something to that effect)

Anyway this is not a place for this discussion, they don't allow it on Almaghrib forums either LOL.

;D Maybe because some of the Shuyukh in there have different opions

 

[Noora_z3]

Just to have the last word LOL only the hanbali school say it is compulsory.

salam Alykum

That statment is not completly true, wat the four school of thought said bout Niqab is as follows:

1- the Hanbali school: as it is been mentioned earlier, coverin the face is compulsory.

2- The Safi'im and Maliki school: the face and hands can be exposed provided that there is no fear of desire if one looks at the female face, otherwise if there is the slightest chance of desire developing in the looker exposing the face and hands is Haraam.

3- Hanfi school of thought: Earlier scholars of this school were of the openion that coverin the face is not Wajib if it doesnt lead to fitnah. But later scholars of the Hanafi school altered the judgment and said that coverin the face is compulsory due to the spread of fitnah. by the way, Ibn Hanifa was of the openion that woman shuld cover her face in all cases.

Source, Al-Fiqh 'Ala al-mathahib al-arba'ah, By Al-Jazayri, Vol. 5. (in Arabic dont know if it was transelated to english or not).

 

[ahm]

And the biggest fitna is in Saudi, so when in Saudi you HAVE to wear niqab.

A brother from Saudi was at our isoc. Complaints came because he keeps staring at women. Just cause they ain't wearing anything, does not mean you can gaze at them. At the time of the Prophet (SAW), free Muslim women would cover, not slave women or non-Muslim women.