Handbags and Hijabs

[S_87]

And the biggest fitna is in Saudi, so when in Saudi you HAVE to wear niqab.

A brother from Saudi was at our isoc. Complaints came because he keeps staring at women. Just cause they ain't wearing anything, does not mean you can gaze at them. At the time of the Prophet (SAW), free Muslim women would cover, not slave women or non-Muslim women.

hmm think it musta been shock? he been so used to seeing women covered that not seeing them covered wa ssomething new? :S

 

[MetSudaisTwice]

yeah that may have been the reason, but if he is used to seeing women covered then he shouldn't stare in the first place.

 

[Danish]

There is a place in Africa where men wear niqab. You guys considering moving there?

ladies first...

Sure! *packs bags*

al right there sis?

 

[ahm]

There is an argument for men wearing niqab. The hadith about the blind man visiting the Prophet's (SAW) household. He told his wives to veil themselves (either with cloth or behind a partition, not sure), they asked why as the man is blind. The Prophet (SAW) said that his wives are not blind, they can see him, so they must conceal themselves from seeing him. Someone find the ref for it please.

 

[MetSudaisTwice]

yes i have heard that very recently from our local imams lecture but not sure where the ref is for that specific hadith

 

[ahm]

salam Alykum

That statment is not completly true, wat the four school of thought said bout Niqab is as follows:

1- the Hanbali school: as it is been mentioned earlier, coverin the face is compulsory.

2- The Safi'im and Maliki school: the face and hands can be exposed provided that there is no fear of desire if one looks at the female face, otherwise if there is the slightest chance of desire developing in the looker exposing the face and hands is Haraam.

3- Hanfi school of thought: Earlier scholars of this school were of the openion that coverin the face is not Wajib if it doesnt lead to fitnah. But later scholars of the Hanafi school altered the judgment and said that coverin the face is compulsory due to the spread of fitnah. by the way, Ibn Hanifa was of the openion that woman shuld cover her face in all cases.

Source, Al-Fiqh 'Ala al-mathahib al-arba'ah, By Al-Jazayri, Vol. 5. (in Arabic dont know if it was transelated to english or not).

The above seem applicable to close quarter situations, face-to-face, e.g. buying from a shop and if the woman is quite good looking. Fitna can also be caused by wearing niqab, fitna does not always have to be of a sexual nature. So if wearing niqab cause fitna of another type, then you shouldn't wear it. I doubt in the UK people get thrills from checking out peoples faces, usually people shout out body parts which are covered by the main hijab.

 

[ahm]

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[Noora_z3]

hmm think it musta been shock? he been so used to seeing women covered that not seeing them covered wa ssomething new? :S

Salam Alykum

Sis Amani lemme tell u, this is not the reason, first of all, not all women r all covered in saudi, wen u go to big malls, u hardly see any one coverin their faces, u see also some girls walkin without their head scarvs too, pretty shocking ha. even in pushy resturants, ladies go in their and literaly take off their scarfs and Jilbabs and feel home. Not to forget gulf countires (totally free) r only few hours away, where saudi men spend lots of time there 'especially on weekends and holidays".

secondly, starin at women's faces became a part of the culture in this part of the world "saudi", a boy by lookin at women and teasin them is basicly showin others that he is a Man now, it is something socially accepted . Lots of Paretns over here even though they practice islam, but they dont inculcate true Islamic teachings in their kids. I know of some paretns wen they see their boys lookin at girls go bout saying "Oh my boy became a man ". There r all kind of ppl here in saudi, just like any other place, some r really religiose and good, and some r ...the extreme. Lookin at women "whether she is coverd or not covered" is a NORM over here, hence wen they leave to other places, they tend to act exactly like they do here in saudi.

Please bear in mind I am not tryin to draw a dark picutre of saudi, these r all facts, I am indian but went to saudi public schools, all my freinds r saudi, therefore, I know these stuffs pretty well. Sorry if I went off topic. Wasalam.

 

[Noora_z3]

The above seem applicable to close quarter situations, face-to-face, e.g. buying from a shop and if the woman is quite good looking. :

Salam Bro,

These openions were expressed by four school of thought while discussin the Issue of Awrah of the Woman (Generally). It is not applicable just to close quarter situations.
Wen u say wen women is quite good lookin, let me tell u, the beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, I am sure u know that.., one can never say no one will be attracted to me so I can walk with my face uncovered. Guys sometimes dont need a reason to look at women faces. ..no offence.

Fitna can also be caused by wearing niqab, fitna does not always have to be of a sexual nature. So if wearing niqab cause fitna of another type, then you shouldn't wear it. I doubt in the UK people get thrills from checking out peoples faces, usually people shout out body parts which are covered by the main hijab.

Alright, this is argumentative, u see thats why I dont go around callin every one to wear niqab coz it is not an easy thing and it should come from within, but in the same time, I dont like others to say to me "u shouldnt be wearin Niqab in such places". Wat kind of fitnah will niqab cause?!

 

[S_87]

thats sad :'( silly women
stoopid men...is it true that a lot of them go to the philipines and china?

 

[Noora_z3]

a lot?!...cant say that, few or some ...yes...there r good and bad ppl every where..

 

[ahm]

Salam Bro,

These openions were expressed by four school of thought while discussin the Issue of Awrah of the Woman (Generally). It is not applicable just to close quarter situations.

The quotes you gave of the different schools did not seem clear. I just replied based on that quote. The only situation I can think of is when men pass by in close quarters or at shop, or near a mosque entrance, is where a women would cover her face. The key thing is "due to fitnah". So dependent on the fitnah situations then niqab should be worn. It appears the scholars were addressing the fitna during their time, I would like to know what it was exactly. If it was clear and explicit that it was compulsory to wear niqab all the time, like the main hijab, the the scholars would not have said what they did in your quote.

Fitna of wearing niqab, being harassed for hiding your ID, confused for being a bank robber, misunderstanding of Islam/bad dawa. Personally I feel niqab should be worn in close quarter situations, e.g. wife serving her husband's male guests, near the mosque entrance, but not all the time (as brothers do need to look at a sister for marriage purposes with or without her knowledge; hadith of one of the companions hiding in a tree?).

 

[naaz]

here in south africa a lot of muslims do not wear niqaab and some do ,i feel that whoever does wear the niqaab should be admired if their do it for allah and not to show people or are forced to. i have friends who came to visit from saudi arabia they were arabs, we took them for a holiday to the sea. I was shocked the minute they landed they took off their niqaabs had on tight fitting clothing and swam with a bikini i was appaled.When i asked them how could they do this they said in saudi they had no choice but to dress with the niqaab .so not all arabs are like this and i ahve no right to judge anybody but i feel that you should do things such as wearing the niqaab from the heart to please your creator not for show.

 

[ahm]

That's what happens when you just tell them to cover, and just put emphasis on ritual and actions - and not in developing good intentions and character.

 

[Mujahideen]

Aslamalykum. there is nothing wrong with matching hijabs with hanbags. yeh its wrong to wear fitted clothes. you are allowed to have styles u know

 

[Imam786]

very funny these days u see all this mix n matching in religion even when its a scarf...lol

 

[hidden_treasure]

mmca4....if her husband lets her den she cud dress da way she wants if she goes out in jeans n a hijab dat dsnt matta coz her husband lets her so ppl cnt argue wiv dat..

Assalamu alaikum,

Dear sister in islam,

We should be obedient to our husbands, yes, but not if it is in regards to haram.

Allah (swt) commanded the believing women to cover (in the quran)..and there is a proper way to do this...also according to quran, and hadeeth.

If our husbands tell us to do something that would not please Allah, and we obey him, then we are committing a sin.

May Allah guide the muslim ummah...ameen.

 

[hidden_treasure]

assalamu alaikum,

What kind of fitna can the niqaab cause? and too bad if ppl dont like it.
The courageous and God fearing pious women in the prophets days (saws) were the very first to wear it..can you imagine? They did not fear the ppl, instead they feared Allah.

Today, we are too busy fearing the ppl, or feeling scared or shy about what others will say about us...subhanAllah, whats the world coming to?

We should all be proud to be muslims....and be thankful that Allah has guided us.

 

[Snowflake]

I saw something really weird. A hijabi sister with matching headscarf and handbag, the pattern of the cloth matched. Next to her was another woman, her head wasn't covered, yet she seemed more "modest" ????

I wouldn't be happy if my wife dressed like the hijabi sister, or if she had her head uncovered like the other lady. The hijabi sister's clothes were a bit too "fitted", is that the right word?

Umm yeah brother that is weird cuz the whole point of dressing islamically is to not to draw attention to your femininity. I don't even agree with hijaabs encrusted with diamontes/colourful/eye catching etcetc. I mean that gets u noticed more than if you aren't wearing it. Defeats the purpose so to speak!

I hear what you say that the sister without hijaab seemed more modest. It happens.

 

[Rabiyal]

This obedience should not involve disobeying Allaah. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no obedience to any created being if it involves disobedience towards the Creator.”
Source

OKAY I AM CONFUSED?!??! how are we disobeying our creator by listening to our Husband if he wishes us not to wear Hijab?

Please first explain that then I got couple more questions...