Haram or Halal Music..Prove it.

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dear brother..


im not talking about singing or doorbells, or anything other than

MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS <(=-=-=-

OUR PROPHET SAID SO......in several hadiths, here is one...
and the reason i am trying to proof this, becuase it is my duty as a muslim..

Volumn 007, Book 069, Hadith Number 494B.
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Narated By Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari : That he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."


and you said quote". "The arguement can go on and on, but say a bird comes in your garden and starts singing, by one listenin to it does that mean one is sinning? "..

cmon ahkee , lol.... firstly there is no arguement its clear, and a bird is natural, its chirping not playing the drums...lol

wasalam
 
this topic has been beaten to death so many times...
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Islam says its Haram.
If you want to still play/listen to music, then by all means - do so. No one is stopping you.
 
Salam Alaykum:sl: ,
I listen to nasheeds and that's about it. Once, I was told that I should not even listen to those. But, I worked with an Imam and a scholar and he said there is no harm in nasheeds as they provoke thought of Allah, Islam and our beloved prophet. It is haram to listen to secular(Worldly) music because it can entice you and make you think sinful thought and even cause you to sin.
Wa Salaam:w: , Susan
 
Assalaamu Alaikum!

Why yet another thread! There are quite few threads on music, is it not suffient for memebers?
 
Al-Mu'minah said:
Assalaamu Alaikum!

Why yet another thread! There are quite few threads on music, is it not suffient for memebers?
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Nah das so tru i mean once we say dt it clearly sez in d qur'an dt it haraam den y dnt dey lisn?! :heated:
 
Malsidabym said:
No it is ok, it is just a problem with interpretation. The Quran does not say all music is bad.
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PROVE IT

Don't give the Qur'an a bad name. If you don't know anything then do not spread it around.
 
No I Have Read The Qu'ran - I Want You To Prove It, As you think you know everything about Islam.
 
Assalamu’Alaykum

Mashaa`Allaah, I never knew we had Mufasireen [Interpreters of the Quran] on this forum.

There is no point of this thread really, we were told to prove Music is Haram we did and they don’t want to accept.
Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe. [ Al Baqarah 2:6]

They don’t want to know, they are only here to challenge, if indeed you want to know and you are sincere, by Allaah you would accept the fatwa that was given prior and let it destroy your nafs.

None of us here need to be hypocritical, we all has our phases with music and if not all most, but one thing we have in common is that we believe its wrong and we accept the fact that its haram. But for those who do not think its wrong even when given evidence from the Qur’an and Sunnah, there is something wrong, please go back and reflect. Because to do something that is haram, and when the majority of the Scholars say it is haram and you still don’t believe it is haram and do it with out any guilt is a sign of your level of Iman.

Then what is even far worse is how you laymen take Qur’anic verses and interpret with out knowledge to your understanding do you not now this is a GREAT sin?

Ibn Abbas reported that the messenger of Allah Said: "Whoever so interprets the Quran according to his opinion, let him seek his abode in the fire (hell). And in a narration: 'Whoso interprets the Qur’an without knowledge, let him seek his abode in the fire (hell)" [Attested by Tirmidhi]

Fear Allaah, Fear Allaah, Fear Allaah

Till now none of you have given proof of your stances and no we don’t want your interpertantions of Ayahs we don’t want to hear that " if its haram it would be mentioned in the Quran" be very careful, because you will fall into Kufur, how will you fall into kufur? By rejecting the authority of the Sunnah. And if that is what you are doing then I am free from what you do and say.


"I take Allah's Refuge from being among Al-Jahilun (the ignorants or the foolish)." [ Al-Baqarah 2:67]
 
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There is no point of this thread really, we were told to prove Music is Haram we did and they don’t want to accept.
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At this point no proof has been provided. Some shaky interpretations that could easily be interpreded to say many other things when "scholars" add words. By what authority do they add thier words?

They don’t want to know, they are only here to challenge, if indeed you want to know and you are sincere, by Allaah you would accept the fatwa that was given prior and let it destroy your nafs
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This is saying we should follow blindly. I would follow God this way, but not men. Men wrote the hadiths.

even when given evidence from the Qur’an
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The evidence has not come from the Quran, it was 'interpretations of verses, more importantly, words added to verses. Example: "And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead" and "Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)", the parts in brackets were added, by men.

Then what is even far worse is how you laymen take Qur’anic verses and interpret with out knowledge to your understanding do you not now this is a GREAT sin?
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OK, so what knowledge are you talking about that you may have that I don't? How to read? Who God is? The subtle meanings behind phrases? I beg to differ on the first two, and the subtle stuff is interpreted differently even by different scholars. It is arrogance to believe that you have some "higher" understanding than others that read the Quran.

Ibn Abbas reported that the messenger of Allah Said: "Whoever so interprets the Quran according to his opinion, let him seek his abode in the fire (hell). And in a narration: 'Whoso interprets the Qur’an without knowledge, let him seek his abode in the fire (hell)" [Attested by Tirmidhi]
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I like the opinion part, and I can see why this is said. It is because those that put thier opinion on what is supposed to be God's word, and then present it to the masses, hurt many people.
Till now none of you have given proof of your stances
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I will present you with your own statement, Till now none of you have given proof of your stances.

P.S.
"Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)"
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This is really interesting, because without adding any words, I can say that most people on this forum are sinning daily. This says, "pastime" and "amusements". That is alot more clear than singing, as the words were not added afterwards. Anyone of you who enjoys pastimes or amusements like internet, TV, socializing, games, sports, sitting quietly in a park, anything that is a "pastime or amusement" is sinning just like you were listening to music or even singing.
 
Surah Luqman verse 6 (031:006)

But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.

Sayydana Abdullah Ibn Masood was asked about the meaning of the verse to which he replied:

“I swear by Him besides whom there is no other God, that it refers to ghinaa (singing).”


Furthermore, let us not forget the hadith of Bukhari:

The Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) said:

"There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma'aazif (musical instruments)."

This implies that ma'aazif (musical Instruments) was unlawful in the first place.

Surah Ahzab verse 4

"Allah has not made for any man, two hearts in his body"

When Ibn Umar (May Allah be pleased with him) comments on this verse, he says that a heart that is full of Qur'an cannot be full of music. Truly, the words of Allah and the voice of Satan cannot co-exist in a single heart. Tis' hyprocritical! Nay, tis' a mockery of the highest order.

Surah Al-Isra verse 64 (017:064)

Lead to destruction those whom thou canst among them, with thy (seductive) voice; make assaults on them with thy cavalry and thy infantry; mutually share with them wealth and children; and make promises to them." But Satan promises them nothing but deceit.
 
Hadith - Bukhari 7:494

Narrated Abu 'Amir that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments as lawful. And (from them), there will be some who will stay near the side of a mountain, and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and Allah will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."

The Noble Qur'an - Luqman 31:6

And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah, the Verses of the Qur'an) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-Fire).

Ibn Masood (ra) said about this verse "I swear by the One other than Whom there is no God that it refers to singing [ghinaa].", and he repeated this three times. Ibn Abbaas (ra) said it refered to 'singing and the like' while Jaabir (ra) is reported to view its meaning to signify singing and listening to songs. Many taabi'oon such as Mujaahid, Ikrimah, Mak-hool and Umar ibn Shu'ayb viewed it as a censure of music and song.
 
This is a old series of lectures a Must Listen! given by Maulana Rashid Korolia from South Africa, going in depth and explaining the position of music in Islam its prohibition and the state of people and Muslims today in regards to it.

This started around the Year 1992, when I first heard the backtracking examples i.e subliminal satanic messages contained in all the popular songs which everyone knew about being a youth and living amidst the culture and school system of the kufar, Maulana relating it to the hadith of Rasullah (saw) was very 'explosive' and mind-boggling experience back then, as relating it to the current affairs had a mind opening impact for many, quoted by shaykh - 'plans of the new world order people to condition the masses',

Maulana Rashid Korolia (South Africa) Music In Islam

Music In Islam



The very first of this series of talks given around the world this one is in South Africa 1992 or 91.

Maulana Rashid Korolia (South Africa) Music and Islam

Music and Islam (part 1)

Music and Islam (part 2)

Music and Islam (part 3) - Backtracking Music Examples



Part 1 and 2 @ 128kbps, Part 3 @ 192kbps also please note Part 3 contains Music Examples for the Backtracking purposes which should not be abused and used for any haraam activitys, the year is around somewhere 98 - 99.

Maulana Rashid Korolia (South Africa) Music Exposed

Music Exposed (part 1)

Music Exposed (Part 2) - Backtracking Music Examples

Given in 2002 - London.
 
Traps of Iblees

Three​

If Iblees fails and is unable to trap Al-'Abd at this class, and if he is one of those who were granted by Allaah (SWT) the gift of As-Sunnah and hatred of the people of Bid'ah and error, he proceeds to:

The THIRD CLASS OF EVIL, which is the class of MAJOR SINS in their various forms.

Iblees is very covetous of letting a person fall into major sin, especially if he is a scholar who is followed. Iblees is covetous of that, so that he may repel people from him and spread his sins and disobedience amongst the people. He uses some people as his agents to spread this person's sins under the false pretence that this will help them to get closer to Allaah. But in fact this person is the deputy of Iblees without knowing it. For those who would like abomination to be spread amongst the believers there is a great torment in this life and in the Hereafter especially if they take charge of spreading about enormities, not out of advice, but by obeying Iblees and being his agent. All this is to repel people from the Scholar and from his benefit.

Furthermore, the sins of this person (scholar), even if they reach the sky, are less to Allaah (SWT) than the sins of those who would like to spread his sins about. The scholar's sins are wrongdoing to himself. If he seeks forgiveness from Allaah (SWT) and repents, Allaah (SWT) will accept his repentance, and He will change his bad deeds to good deeds. However, the sin of those who spread about abominations are doing wrong to the believers by looking for their mistakes and by intending to expose them. Allaah (SWT) is in close observation, and He knows about this ambuscade. Nothing hidden in the chest or soul is hidden to Allaah (SWT).
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More traps ->> http://www.islaam.net/main/display.php?id=182&category=12
 
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “I was ordered to avoid two foolish and vile sounds; a sound of a musical tunes and Satan’s musical instruments, and cries made on account of a calamity.” [Sunan al-Tirmidhî]
 
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