Haram or Halal Music..Prove it.

[DaSangarTalib]

THE TRUTH BEHIND TODAY'S POPULAR SINGERS & THEIR MUSIC !

Take special note about Maradona !!

Backtracking, or backmasking is the form of inserting hidden messages into tracks which can only be consciously heard when played backwards. Most of the time these messages are inserted purposefully, sometimes by accident, some people even believe that the subconscious can actually pick up these messages. But the nature of the backtracked messages in many modern pop songs is so sinister as to leave no doubt to the intentions and affiliations of these singers. The following are examples of such cases where the backward lyrics seem to fit the suggestions:

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MICHAEL JACKSON:

Beat It: Forward: '(indecipherable gibberish) so beat it!' Reverse: 'I do believe it was Satan in me.'

Forward: 'You better run, you better do what you can, don't wanna see some blood don't be a macho man.'
Dangerous

Reverse: 'S-a-t-a-n. S-a-y (indecipherable gibberish) People all worship.'

Morphine: Forward: 'This won't hurt you..'

Reverse: 'O Satan!'

Man in the Mirror: Forward: 'I'm starting with the man in the mirror, I'm asking if he'll change his way.'

Reverse: 'Come on. Yeah Satan, yeah, just like me exact.'

Comments: Michael Jackson is probably the most successful musician in history, but does he hold a dark secret? It is interesting to note that many major musicians have had close ties with Aleister Crowley, a Satanist well known to the occult. Michael Jackson's 'Dangerous' album (right) has the face of an old man in a suit (bottom right hand corner), fitting the description of Crowley himself. The cover of the Beatles album Sgt. Pepper has many faces and one of them looking similar to Crowley.


MADONNA:

Like a Prayer: Forward: 'Life is a mystery.'

Reverse: 'O hear our savior Satan.'

Comments: Madonna is well known for her extravagant and unique style of music, but there are mysterious freemasonic elements in one of her videos. In one scene, the symbol of freemasonry, the all seeing one eye is seen coming out of Madonna's forehead. She is also seen dancing on some writing; closer examination shows that this writing is Arabic, the language of the Qur'an.

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[Ra`eesah]

Assalamu'Alaykum

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1. There was a fatwa I posted by Shiekh Salih al Munajjid. That for you is proof enough. Where is your proof? Your word against the shiekh?

2. Do not use terms you have no knowledge of. For you Taqleed " blind following" is needed because it seems you have no knowledge of the Quran nor Sunnah.

3. The evideance given from the Quran, the words in " brackets" are those of the Mufasireen. Those who have proper understanding of the Quran.

4. There was no subliminal message it is clear as day. " those who interpret the Quran with out knowledge let him reserve his seat in hell fire." point blank. However, if you wish to get into that, saying one has knowledge is not a sign of arrogance. It is the intention that is followed by that.

5. We have proved it from those who have given the ruling with Authentic proof, you still sit here and wish to debate an issue you have no knowledge of.


With that I end with a quote by Imam Ash- Shafi`I ( rahimahullaah)






"I debated a scholar and beat him. Then I debated a layman and that layman beat me - he had no knowledge of the principles and texts. I had nothing to say."

 

[DaSangarTalib]

ppl like making excuses up to continue with they filth even tho they know very well its haraam!

 

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ppl like making excuses up to continue with they filth even tho they know very well its haraam!

Reps 4 u bro! - that is a very good statement and i agree with it completely! :sister:

 

[anis_z24]

Salam
Can we agree that everything that is declared haram in Islam is in the Quran.



-And there is no word that says music.
-When you hear the word music the stereo type of it being sinful and full of misleading things is wrong.

It can be talking about the truth. The reason many scholars say its haram(when they have no authority to do so) is because they put it along side other sinfull deeds.

The Prophet himself use to encourage **Halal** entertainment ie,poetry, singing.

and dont just copy and past ahadiths say look music is Haram.
you(everyone) must look at the seerah at whole.

and please find me the aya that says "Music is Haram"
If its motivating one to do good, or talking about the truth how can it be Haram.

Also please please keep it calm

Thank You.

 

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I'm soooooo not going to bother with people who know the truth but cannot be asked to face it. May Allah help them Inshallah. Ameen.

 

[anis_z24]

Salam,

Sister what you are saying is no way of dialog.

and no one has yet proved music to be haram
everything haram in Islam is in the Quran. nothing Says all music is haram.

 

[Malsidabym]

The reason many scholars say its haram(when they have no authority to do so) is because they put it along side other sinfull deeds.

nothing Says all music is haram

Nothing, not one word or verse.
It is said that the Quran was written by God. Since when does a scholar have the authority to make statements that contradict the Quran? This is why I have said before, I do not dispute the Quran, I dispute the scholars.

 

[FatimaAsSideqah]

I am surely agreed with FightofAllah!! He got good point! MUSIC IS HARAAM...full stop!:rant:

Evidence that Music and Singing are Haram

1.--Allah said, what translated means, And of mankind he who purchases idle talks to mislead (people) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah) by way of mockery, For such there will be a humiliating torment. [3 1:6].
Al-Wahidi, along with other scholars of Tafsir (explaining the Quran), said that "Idle Talk" in this Ayah is singing. The following companions gave this Tafsir: Ibn Abbas, Ibn Masud, Mujahid and Ikrimah. Ibn Masud said, "By Allah, whom there is no God except Him, idle talk is singing."

2 -- The Prophet said, what translated means, "From among my nation, there will be people who will render as lawful adultery, weaving silk (for men), Al-Khamr (liquor) and AlMaa'azif (musical instruments)." [Al-Bukhari].

This Hadith states that musical instruments are Haram, and there is no disagreement among the scholars on this. In his book, Ighathat Al-Lahfan, Ibn Al-Qayyim said, "When the Prophet said, 'render as lawful,' he meant that it was unlawful, then the people made it lawful."

3 -- Abu Hurayrah narrated that the Prophet said, what translated means, group of this nation will be transformed into monkeys and swine." They said, "Do not they testify that there is no god except Allah and that Mohammed is His Messenger?" He said, "Yes.
And also they fast pray and perform Hajj." They said, "Then, what is their problem?" He said, "They use musical instruments, drums and female singers. (One day) they will go to sleep after a night of drinking and having fun, In the morning, they will be transformed (by Allah) into monkeys and swine." [Iughathat Al-Lahfan].

4 -- Allah said, criticizing the Kuffar's worship around the Kaa'bah, what translated means, Their prayer at the House (Kaa'bah) was nothing but Muka'an and Tasdiyah. [8:35]. Ibn Abbas, Ibn Umar, Atiyyah, Muj ahid, Ad-Dhahh'ak, AlHasan and Qatadah said that Muka'an means whistling, and that Tasdiyah means clapping of hands.

Sayings of the Scholars Regarding Music and Singing
Imam IbnTaymiyyah said, "Listening to music and sinful fun are among what strengthens the satanic ways the most. This is exactly what the disbelievers used to do. Allah said, And their prayer at the House (of Allah) was nothing but Muka 'an and Tasdiyah. [8:35]. Ibn Abbas, ibn Umar and others said that Tasdiyah is clapping of hands, and that Muka'an is whistling. This was the Mushrikeen's way of worship. The Prophet and his companions worshipped Allah, according to His order, in their prayer, reading the Quran and Thikr (supplication). It never occurred that the Prophet and his companions gathered to listen to singing that is accompanied by clapping or using drums."
Imam IbnTaymiyyah also said regarding the person, whose habit is to listen to music, "His state of emotions becomes less passionate when he hears the Quran. On the contrary, when he listens to instruments of the devil (music), he dances a lot. If the prayer is established, he either prays while sitting down or performs it as fast as when the roaster picks seeds. He dislikes listening to the Quran and does not find beauty in it while reciting it. He has no taste for the Quran and feels no love for it or pleasure when it is read. Rather, he finds pleasure if he listens to Mukaa' or Tasdiyah. These are satanic pleasures and he is among those whom Allah mentioned in the Ayah, And whosoever turns away from the remembrance of the Most Beneficent (Allah), We appoint for him Satan to be a companion for him. [43:3 6]." [Awliyaa' Ar-Rahman].


Imam Ibn Al-Qayyim said, "Of the tricks of the enemy of Allah, Satan, that he uses to trap those who do not enjoy much intelligence, knowledge or sincerity in religion, are Mukaa' and Tasdiyah. These people of ignorance listen to and use musical instruments that are prohibited and which lead the hearts to abandoning the Quran. These hearts are indulging in sin and disobedience of Allah. Music, then, is Satan's Quran and the barrier between one and Allah. It is the way to sodomy and adultery. With it, the lover finds what he seeks and dreams of sinful love. Satan has trapped the weak hearts in the love of singing and made it beautiful to them. Satan reveals to his agents fake proofs that they use as evidence to the beauty of singing. These people accept Satan's revelation and, as a consequence, abandon the Quran. When you witness them while listening, you will find them silent in humbleness, sitting idle and their hearts are concentrating and totally enjoying music and singing. Their hearts will feel closer to music, as if they were drunk. They dance and move in a suggestive manner, like faggots and whores. And why not? They are drunk with the pleasure of listening to music and singing and act accordingly. For other than Allah, and for Satan, there are hearts that are being broken by sin, and fortunes that are being spent for other than Allah's Pleasure. They spend their lives in joyful fun and make a mockery of their religion. Instruments of the devil are sweeter to their ears than the Quran. If one of them listens to the Quran from beginning to end, it will have little effect or excitement on him. If Satan's Quran is being performed and heard, they feel joy in their hearts and one can see it in their eyes. Their feet dance, their hands clap, their breathing intensifies and the rest of their bodies feel joy. O you who are trapped in this sin, you who have sold your share of Allah to Satan, what a losing deal! Why not feels this joy when you listen to the Quran? Why not feel pleasure and comfort when the Glorious Quran is recited? But, everyone seeks what he feels is suitable for him, and ends up with what is really suitable for him." [Ighathat Al-Lahfan].


Sheikh Abdulaziz bin Baz was asked about listening to music and songs, "Is it Haram? I only listen to it for pleasure. What about playing the Rababah (a kind of guitar) and old songs? What about using drums in weddings?"

Sheikh Ibn Baz said, "Listening to music is Haram and a sin. It is a matter that leads to weakening the hearts and abandoning the Thikr of Allah and the prayer. The scholars said about the Ayah, And of' mankind he who purchases idle talks [31:6], that idle talks means singing. Abullah ibn Masud, the Prophet's companion, used to swear by Allah that it is singing. If singing is accompanied by the Rababah, 'Ud (Arabic guitar), fiddles or drums, it is even more Haram. Any singing with any instrument is Haram and the scholars are unanimous on this. Therefore, Muslims must be aware of it. The Prophet said, "From among my nation there will be those who render as lawful adultery, silk (for men), AI-Khamr (alcohol) and musical instruments." [Al-Bukhari]. I advise you and others to read the Quran and keep remembering Allah. I advise you to listen to Quranic programs on the radio. This way, one will find pleasure and will keep busy so he can stay away from music and songs. As for weddings, the Daff(tambourine) can be used along with innocent singing that does not call to sin. This can be done at night, only in weddings and only by and for women. These songs are a way of announcing an Islamic marriage. The Sunnah of the Prophet supports the above. As for the drums, they are Haram all the time. The Daffis permitted in weddings and only for and by women."

Many Muslims today render music as permissible. This is due to their ignorance or outright defiance of the religion. We ask Allah that we are among those who listen to the speech and follow the best of what it contains. These are the ones whom Allah has guided and granted them the bounty of sanity and comprehending minds.

MAY ALLAH FORGIVE US!! AMEEN!

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Of all the arguments put forward to show why all music is evil, the backmasking argument has to be the most laughable.

Take special note about Maradona !!

That pesky handballing Argentinian! I thought he'd retired?

Backtracking, or backmasking is the form of inserting hidden messages into tracks which can only be consciously heard when played backwards. Most of the time these messages are inserted purposefully, sometimes by accident, some people even believe that the subconscious can actually pick up these messages. But the nature of the backtracked messages in many modern pop songs is so sinister as to leave no doubt to the intentions and affiliations of these singers. The following are examples of such cases where the backward lyrics seem to fit the suggestions:

If you actually believe these messages have been put into these records deliberately, you are more credulous than I had given you credit for. If you believe that people can pick up these messages subconsciously while listening to the track played forwards, then I'm convinced that you don't actually believe the claims put forward in this ludicrous article, and you're merely quoting it because it supports your agenda.

By the way, here's one source of this text:

http://www.howardforums.com/printthread.php?t=178649

It's been copied and pasted round the internet so many times it's difficult to know which intelligent individual came up with it first.

Comments: Michael Jackson is probably the most successful musician in history, but does he hold a dark secret? It is interesting to note that many major musicians have had close ties with Aleister Crowley, a Satanist well known to the occult. Michael Jackson's 'Dangerous' album (right) has the face of an old man in a suit (bottom right hand corner), fitting the description of Crowley himself. The cover of the Beatles album Sgt. Pepper has many faces and one of them looking similar to Crowley.

Do you know anything about Aleister Crowley? He died in 1947, so how exactly could Michael Jackson (born 1958) have had close ties with him?

Comments: Madonna is well known for her extravagant and unique style of music, but there are mysterious freemasonic elements in one of her videos. In one scene, the symbol of freemasonry, the all seeing one eye is seen coming out of Madonna's forehead. She is also seen dancing on some writing; closer examination shows that this writing is Arabic, the language of the Qur'an.

On this evidence, I'd say she should be shot immediately...

The fact that someone would post this kind of propaganda on the forum convinces me that there isn't any real reason for the prohibition on music (beyond the whim of Allah), and some Muslims are happy to grab any nonsense they can find in order to support their beliefs. Producing this kind of argument devalues the original belief considerably, and shows that the prohibition is not taken at all seriously by some within the ummah.

Peace

 

[anis_z24]

I am surely agreed with FightofAllah!! He got good point! MUSIC IS HARAAM...full stop!:rant:

Evidence that Music and Singing are Haram

1.--Allah said, what translated means, And of mankind he who purchases idle talks to mislead (people) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah) by way of mockery, For such there will be a humiliating torment. [3 1:6].

Salam

Who said all music is misleading and haram.
When music is along side the truth and motivating towards the good.
its says in the aya mockery, who said all music is mockery.

 

[Malsidabym]

I am surely agreed with FightofAllah!! He got good point! MUSIC IS HARAAM...full stop!:rant:

Evidence that Music and Singing are Haram

1.--Allah said, what translated means, And of mankind he who purchases idle talks to mislead (people) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah) by way of mockery, For such there will be a humiliating torment. [3 1:6].
Al-Wahidi, along with other scholars of Tafsir (explaining the Quran), said that "Idle Talk" in this Ayah is singing. The following companions gave this Tafsir: Ibn Abbas, Ibn Masud, Mujahid and Ikrimah. Ibn Masud said, "By Allah, whom there is no God except Him, idle talk is singing."

2 -- The Prophet said, what translated means, "From among my nation, there will be people who will render as lawful adultery, weaving silk (for men), Al-Khamr (liquor) and AlMaa'azif (musical instruments)." [Al-Bukhari].

This Hadith states that musical instruments are Haram, and there is no disagreement among the scholars on this. In his book, Ighathat Al-Lahfan, Ibn Al-Qayyim said, "When the Prophet said, 'render as lawful,' he meant that it was unlawful, then the people made it lawful."

3 -- Abu Hurayrah narrated that the Prophet said, what translated means, group of this nation will be transformed into monkeys and swine." They said, "Do not they testify that there is no god except Allah and that Mohammed is His Messenger?" He said, "Yes.
And also they fast pray and perform Hajj." They said, "Then, what is their problem?" He said, "They use musical instruments, drums and female singers. (One day) they will go to sleep after a night of drinking and having fun, In the morning, they will be transformed (by Allah) into monkeys and swine." [Iughathat Al-Lahfan].

4 -- Allah said, criticizing the Kuffar's worship around the Kaa'bah, what translated means, Their prayer at the House (Kaa'bah) was nothing but Muka'an and Tasdiyah. [8:35]. Ibn Abbas, Ibn Umar, Atiyyah, Muj ahid, Ad-Dhahh'ak, AlHasan and Qatadah said that Muka'an means whistling, and that Tasdiyah means clapping of hands.

Sayings of the Scholars Regarding Music and Singing
Imam IbnTaymiyyah said, "Listening to music and sinful fun are among what strengthens the satanic ways the most. This is exactly what the disbelievers used to do. Allah said, And their prayer at the House (of Allah) was nothing but Muka 'an and Tasdiyah. [8:35]. Ibn Abbas, ibn Umar and others said that Tasdiyah is clapping of hands, and that Muka'an is whistling. This was the Mushrikeen's way of worship. The Prophet and his companions worshipped Allah, according to His order, in their prayer, reading the Quran and Thikr (supplication). It never occurred that the Prophet and his companions gathered to listen to singing that is accompanied by clapping or using drums."
Imam IbnTaymiyyah also said regarding the person, whose habit is to listen to music, "His state of emotions becomes less passionate when he hears the Quran. On the contrary, when he listens to instruments of the devil (music), he dances a lot. If the prayer is established, he either prays while sitting down or performs it as fast as when the roaster picks seeds. He dislikes listening to the Quran and does not find beauty in it while reciting it. He has no taste for the Quran and feels no love for it or pleasure when it is read. Rather, he finds pleasure if he listens to Mukaa' or Tasdiyah. These are satanic pleasures and he is among those whom Allah mentioned in the Ayah, And whosoever turns away from the remembrance of the Most Beneficent (Allah), We appoint for him Satan to be a companion for him. [43:3 6]." [Awliyaa' Ar-Rahman].


Imam Ibn Al-Qayyim said, "Of the tricks of the enemy of Allah, Satan, that he uses to trap those who do not enjoy much intelligence, knowledge or sincerity in religion, are Mukaa' and Tasdiyah. These people of ignorance listen to and use musical instruments that are prohibited and which lead the hearts to abandoning the Quran. These hearts are indulging in sin and disobedience of Allah. Music, then, is Satan's Quran and the barrier between one and Allah. It is the way to sodomy and adultery. With it, the lover finds what he seeks and dreams of sinful love. Satan has trapped the weak hearts in the love of singing and made it beautiful to them. Satan reveals to his agents fake proofs that they use as evidence to the beauty of singing. These people accept Satan's revelation and, as a consequence, abandon the Quran. When you witness them while listening, you will find them silent in humbleness, sitting idle and their hearts are concentrating and totally enjoying music and singing. Their hearts will feel closer to music, as if they were drunk. They dance and move in a suggestive manner, like faggots and whores. And why not? They are drunk with the pleasure of listening to music and singing and act accordingly. For other than Allah, and for Satan, there are hearts that are being broken by sin, and fortunes that are being spent for other than Allah's Pleasure. They spend their lives in joyful fun and make a mockery of their religion. Instruments of the devil are sweeter to their ears than the Quran. If one of them listens to the Quran from beginning to end, it will have little effect or excitement on him. If Satan's Quran is being performed and heard, they feel joy in their hearts and one can see it in their eyes. Their feet dance, their hands clap, their breathing intensifies and the rest of their bodies feel joy. O you who are trapped in this sin, you who have sold your share of Allah to Satan, what a losing deal! Why not feels this joy when you listen to the Quran? Why not feel pleasure and comfort when the Glorious Quran is recited? But, everyone seeks what he feels is suitable for him, and ends up with what is really suitable for him." [Ighathat Al-Lahfan].


Sheikh Abdulaziz bin Baz was asked about listening to music and songs, "Is it Haram? I only listen to it for pleasure. What about playing the Rababah (a kind of guitar) and old songs? What about using drums in weddings?"

Sheikh Ibn Baz said, "Listening to music is Haram and a sin. It is a matter that leads to weakening the hearts and abandoning the Thikr of Allah and the prayer. The scholars said about the Ayah, And of' mankind he who purchases idle talks [31:6], that idle talks means singing. Abullah ibn Masud, the Prophet's companion, used to swear by Allah that it is singing. If singing is accompanied by the Rababah, 'Ud (Arabic guitar), fiddles or drums, it is even more Haram. Any singing with any instrument is Haram and the scholars are unanimous on this. Therefore, Muslims must be aware of it. The Prophet said, "From among my nation there will be those who render as lawful adultery, silk (for men), AI-Khamr (alcohol) and musical instruments." [Al-Bukhari]. I advise you and others to read the Quran and keep remembering Allah. I advise you to listen to Quranic programs on the radio. This way, one will find pleasure and will keep busy so he can stay away from music and songs. As for weddings, the Daff(tambourine) can be used along with innocent singing that does not call to sin. This can be done at night, only in weddings and only by and for women. These songs are a way of announcing an Islamic marriage. The Sunnah of the Prophet supports the above. As for the drums, they are Haram all the time. The Daffis permitted in weddings and only for and by women."

Many Muslims today render music as permissible. This is due to their ignorance or outright defiance of the religion. We ask Allah that we are among those who listen to the speech and follow the best of what it contains. These are the ones whom Allah has guided and granted them the bounty of sanity and comprehending minds.

MAY ALLAH FORGIVE US!! AMEEN!

Nothing, not one scrap of new evidence. The same stuff we have already seen. Only statements from "scholars".
So since we are all repeating over and over again, The Quran is said to be written by God himself. The Quran does not have any verse in it that specifically singles out music, and says all music is bad. So the only thing left to support this is statements from "scholars". Under what authority does a scholar make a statement that contradicts or alters the Quran.None. If God did indeed write the Quran, I am sure he would have got it right. It is the worst arrogance for a scholar to think he knows better than God.

 

[anis_z24]

Salam
if a scholar thought so, they would not be a scholar.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

This is a topic that has been discussed ad nauseum on the forum already.

12.This is not a Fiqh discussion board. Prolonged threads arguing over Fatwas and the details of Islamic law will be closed.

As for [music], I'm not going to repeat what I've already said, so I'm just going to provide the links to where I've elaborated on the issue in previous discussions, but first, here is the book that discusses the evidences on the subject in detail:
http://members.tripod.com/oum_abdulaziz/music1.html

Discussion on the rationale behind Islam's stance on Music
Ansar Al-'Adl, czgibson, Ansar Al-'Adl, czgibson, Ansar Al-'Adl, czgibson, Ansar Al-'Adl [Explains the consensus on the issue amongst Muslims], czgibson.

Discussion on music as an important aspect of culture
Ansar Al-'Adl, czgibson, Ansar Al-'Adl, czgibson, Ansar Al-'Adl, czgibson, Ansar Al-'Adl, czgibson, Ansar Al-'Adl, czgibson, Muezzin, czgibson, Muezzin.

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