Harmony between the Bible and the Qur'an

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Greetings and peace be with you doorster;
no doubt He will, one day, let us all know about things on which we differ, perhaps we could put the hatred and lust to kill one another aside until then and instead start competing in doing good deeds which benefit the the needy from amongst us?
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Amen, Amen, and when we share in doing good deeds, we will see our differences melt away.

Blessings and peace be with you

Eric
 
Eric H said:
Greetings and peace be with you doorster;


Amen, Amen, and when we share in doing good deeds, we will see our differences melt away.

Blessings and peace be with you

Eric
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Greetings'

I don't believe in a total harmony between the bible and the Quran but
I can't help but to agree with you both in such point

(start competing in doing good deeds which benefit the the needy from amongst us) :thumbs_up
peace
 
Umar^111 said:
the differences will never melt away unless we follow truth (islam)
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I agree. One must not forget the object of our good deeds. God. But the Christian's assert a trinity, Muslims a unity.

Though we can compete in deeds that are obviously good, such as charity. What about ones such as discouraging idol worship or associating partners with God? What about which book we are even to draw our critereon for what exactly consititues a good deed?

Then are we still in harmony?
 
AntiKarateKid said:
What about ones such as discouraging idol worship or associating partners with God? What about which book we are even to draw our critereon for what exactly consititues a good deed?

Then are we still in harmony?
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peace

You are right, wrong if we hope for total harmony in all aspects but at least in the economical and charity aspect,and the burden now is on the Christian shoulder ,as they are responsible for the increasing amount of the needy in the world ,by following the greedy ideology of Capitalism .........
well lots to say regarding what Christians should do to coexist peacefully with Muslims and all humans too........... but I would like to concentrate on Grenville's work and share some academic discussion with him and all friends here....

still waiting for his reply..


peace
 
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Hi Imam:

OK, let us try this again. The aim is to start where we have agreement and then try to identify the point of divergence. Let us, for the time being, forget our Christian and Islamic traditions, which we are all aware are completely incompatible. Let us simply examine evidence in the Qur'an and the Bible without contaminating its interpretation with traditional beliefs.

Both the Bible and the Qur’an identify their God as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Can we at least agree on this?

Bible: Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’ (Exodus 3:15)

Qur’an: We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il [Ishmael], Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms. (4:163)

Regards,
Grenville
 
LOL ok listen here pls yes they Both talk about Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob but Quran also talks about you God as a Prophet see Qur’an: We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il [Ishmael], Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms. (4:163)) so keep that in mind the whole time Jesus is not God here he is a Prophet like all the others mentioned here so don't forget.
so we agree on Prophets up to Moses pbuh what next
 
We also do not agree on a lot of stories in the bible, which are anthromorphic and not befitting for ALLAH(swt). This I believe is one of the biggest points of divergence that you are underestimating.
 
O followers of the Book! Why do you confound the truth with the falsehood and hide the truth while you know?(3:71)
 
OK Imam:

It seems that regardless of how I am trying to approach this exercise, most persons in this forum keep pointing to the proverbial “800 pound gorilla in the room.” Let us then address this issue first, because it seems that until we do, we are going nowhere.

The study found that there is harmony between the teachings of the Bible and the Qur’an on Jesus. Both the Bible and the Qur’an describe Jesus as:
• a Servant and Prophet of God; (Bible: Matthew 12:15–18, 13:57/ Qur’an: 19:30, 34)
• born of the virgin Mary; (Luke 1:30–35/3:45–47)
• led by the Holy Spirit; (Luke 4:18–19/2:87)
• a Preacher of the Gospel; (Mark 1:14–15/5:46)
• a Healer who healed the sick and raised the dead; (Matthew 4:23, John 12:1/ 5:110) and
• the Christ or Messiah. (John 4:25–26/3:45)

Let us not argue about what Christian or Islamic religious traditions describe these terms to mean. Remember, we are simply looking at evidence provided by the Bible and the Qur’an only.

Before I go much further, are we in agreement so far?

Regards,
Grenville
 
ok but the Holy spirit being Rûh-ul-Qudus in other words Jibreel the Angel quran 2 87.( And indeed, We gave Mûsa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Rûh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel) <><>]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed.) NOT A HOLY GHOST
 
Greetings and peace be with you Imam;
(start competing in doing good deeds which benefit the the needy from amongst us)
peace
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A few centuries ago were I live Christians were killing other Christians, supposedly because the other lot were corrupting the truth and did not believe in the right way.

Now I find it a time of great joy when I can work and pray with these ‘opposing Christians from other denominations’ in doing good deeds for the troubled people in our area. We also raise money together for Christian Aid which is a charity that gives to communities regardless of faith.

Barriers can be broken down, bridges can be built, it is a lack of love for one another that separates us Christians. It is also a lack of love for one another that separates inter faith cooperation.

In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith friendship

Eric
 
Dear Umar:

The Qur’an clearly identifies Gabriel in 2:97-98, and 66:4, in contrast to the Holy Spirit in 2:87, 2:253, 5:110, and 16:102. We should not mix them up. Therefore, let us put aside Islamic religious tradition for a moment and limit our discussion to what is explicitly stated in the Qur’an.

Are we in agreement? Can we proceed?

Regards,
Grenville
 
Grenville said:
Dear Umar:

The Qur’an clearly identifies Gabriel in 2:97-98, and 66:4, in contrast to the Holy Spirit in 2:87, 2:253, 5:110, and 16:102. We should not mix them up. Therefore, let us put aside Islamic religious tradition for a moment and limit our discussion to what is explicitly stated in the Qur’an.

Are we in agreement? Can we proceed?

Regards,
Grenville
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But the ayah 16:102 clearly indicates that the holy spirit "Al ruh al Qudus" is angel Jibreel(as).
 
Dear Grey Kode:

You are making the very great assumption that Mohammed ONLY received revelation from Gabriel. Can you provide any evidence to support your assertion? If you cannot, then it is simply Islamic religious tradition that is unsupported by the Qur’an, which we had already agreed to put aside for the time being.

Regards,
Grenville
 
You are making the very great assumption that Mohammed ONLY received revelation from Gabriel
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Not from Gabriel(as), but through Gabriel(as).
Anyway, using the same logic I want you to explain ONLY from the words of the bible what the Holy spirit is.
 
Hi Grey Kode:

Let us not run ahead of ourselves. I promise you that we will discuss the Holy Spirit; however, let us first discuss Jesus. So, can we assume that we have harmony thus far and can therefore proceed a bit further?

Regards,
Grenville
 
These people are not here to learn. Only to attack the religion, as you can tell by their frustration and annoyance. They bring up ayats in the quran, not to learn from it, but they feel its the best avenue to attack islam and try and prove their polytheism is the answer. So brother Umar i wouldn't waste your time with this.
 
Dear Stranger:

If you are including me in “these people” then you are completely wrong. I have repeatedly stated that I have assumed the Qur’an to be correct. However, I have made the same assumption about the Bible and found harmony between their principal teachings. Why are you so afraid of a discussion to examine this?

Regards,
Grenville
 
Grenville with all due respect, what is to be gained from this? it seems an exercise in futility.. Yes there are very superficial similarities between the Quran and what preceded it.. but that quickly dissolves since the core principles are completely at odds with each other..
There is no Judeo-Christian, since the Jews don't accept the tenets of Christianity and there is no Christiano-Islamic, since Muslims don't accept the core tenets of Christianity.. Christianity seems rather monolithic..

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your effort to abridge gaps.. but that seems like something that should be directed toward the Christian community, not the Muslim one.. we don't have beef with other religions.. Christianity however in order to assert itself needs to attack Islam and constantly.. or look for things that simply aren't there..

if you believe the Quran to be correct then why aren't you Muslim?

all the best
 

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