Has Allah written them for us?

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ALLAH has not chosen out partners and we choose them - But Allah knows who we will end up with.

The why do people say women are made from a man's rib... and when Allah created Soul he split it into two? Then shouldnt we technically believe in soul mates and Allah therefore has made our spouses for us.
 
People posting on this thread seem to have grave misunderstandings regarding Qadar of Allah (i.e. the Will or Decree of Allah).

It should be pointed out here that nothing happens in the heavens and the earth except that it has happened by the Will of Allah. To say that things happen without the Will of Allah is to say that Allah is ignorant of so-and-so, and we cannot attribute ignorance to Allah. To believe in Qadr is a part of faith and ones belief is not valid unless we believe in the four aspects of Qadar. They are as follows:

1 – Belief that Allah knows all things, in general terms and in detail, from eternity to eternity. Not a single atom is unknown to Him in the heavens or on earth.

2 – Belief that Allah has decreed all things in al-Lawh al-Mahfooz (The Preserved Tablet), fifty thousand years before He created the heavens and the earth.

3 – Belief that the will of Allah is irresistable and His decree is comprehensive, so nothing happens in this universe, good or bad, but by His will.

4 – Belief that all that exists was created by Allah. He is the Creator of all beings and the Creator of their attributes and actions, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

Such is Allaah, your Lord! None has the right to be worshipped but He, the Creator of all things [al-An’aam 6:102]

There is much more to Qadar then this and it is an integral part of belief to believe that everything that happens is because of the Will of Allah and had it not been His Will then so-and-so thing will not take place.
agree:statisfie
 
I find this kind of stuff really fascinating, qadr, taqdeer, the Preserved Tablet. A lot of stuff I didn't know much about so thanks to the knowledgable members for teaching us all something here.

I would also add that from my own limited perspective on the subject way down here in ignorance land, time itself is created riight? I mean the 6 days the earth was created in are not 6 "days" as in our understanding but 6 eras/epochs of some other kind. I think this is one of those things that we can never really get our heads around due to being silly humans! :hiding:

How does

"Allah blots out what he wills and conforms (what he wills): and with Him is the mother of the book (i.e. book of conclusive records).” ( 13:39)

figure into all this?

Does this mean that the Preserved Tablet is written, but can be amended as Allah sees fit, depending on our actions, such as duas and repetance? :exhausted
 
From my reading on the issue I remember a while back reading an article on Islam's stance on dating and in that article there were statistics of divorce and cheating, infidelity and the like which is tied to the failure of being patient with Allah's will. Cited verses in the Qur'an are included which instruct people to maintain chastity until marriage as the best thing to do.

The most interesting aspects of the article were that:
  • Allah is in control of everything and that includes who you'll end up with.
  • You do have that soulmate that Allah has deemed for you to be with when the right time comes so you're instructed to be patient, build your relationship with Allah and get your life on track spiritually and directionwise before considering a mate. Once you have demonstrated your readiness toward marriage that's basically when Allah will bring that special someone into your life be it slow and methodical or spontaneously. Allah has written before you were even born that you would be tied to some partner along with other things that are destined for you in this life. But that's where free will pops in. If you decide to rush the process by dating, hooking up and jumping from relationship to relationship you may never be able to meet that soulmate.
  • America is sited statistically as having extremely high divorce rates, depression due to relationships, cheating, adultery and the like. That's because people have rushed the process and got into relationships with someone they were not meant to be with. All that'll do is make them miserable eventually and in turn leads to failed relationships which leads to the cheating, divorce and ruined families to begin with. All because of the lack of patience for Allah's Qadar to come through.
 
Well said Brother Asif!

I think he gave the best answer so far, thread closed? I think so, but thats up to the mods. :)
 
YOU LOT ARE JUST MAKING THINGS COMPLICATED n driving ppl mad

Ok everything is 'written' ofcourse everything is written Allah knows everything.

However, does he choose the ppl we marry? or is that free will?

You know how we cant choose our gender - thats becuase Allah chose what gender we gonna be - we have no control.

So as for marriage - do we choose that person or Did Allah will that person for you.
Salam,

It is we who chooose the ppl we marry. One simple question. In the Quran Allah gives a big list of people whom we are prohibited to marry (4:22-24). Quran also says don't marry polytheists and idol worshipers. We know it is perfectly under once freedom of choice to follow these instruction. There are many people in the world who violate these direction. Suppose if someone willfully disobey this command and marry someone who is prohibited by Allah, Is Allah is responsible for this? In that case anyone who willfully violate the order of Allah can simply make a defense saying that "it is because Allah willed for me so and so girl I got married and therefore I am not responsible for marrying so and so girl, it is Allah who is responsible. Such arguements are completely baseless.

Wassalam
 
My brain hurts.
Salam,

There is no need brother......the only thing is that we have remove all prejudiced notion from our mind. Man has the freedom of choice - as opposed to the rest of the Universe which is bound and forced to obey Nature’s laws. The Quran says in (90:10): “ And We showed him two paths”. Also, (in 76:3): “We have guided him to the right path. It is upto him now to accept or reject it.” It is further elaborated in 18:29: “Tell that Right (has arrived) from your Preserver. It is upto you now to accept or reject it”.

“If We had wanted (all men to forcibly follow Our way), We would have provided guidance to each single person….. “ (33:13). People have complete freedom of choice to accept or reject the guidance to the right path (18:29). The aim is to develop human qualities and test the use of free will (5:48-49). Men can resolve their differences by willfully and freely choosing the right path. It will NOT be forced upon them (11:118-119). In that case men would have been like stones or animals, NOT human!

Allah says to men: “Do whatever you will” (41:40). Restricted in choice But this (41:40) goes further. It says: “Do whatever you wish. Surely, whatever you do (will bear a result, as it) is watched by Him”. That is: your are free to do whatever you wish but not free to alter the natural result of that action, You can’t follow path A and expect to end up at the other end of path B. (or you can’t swallow a pinch of poison and expect it to behave like a lump of sugar. Every action has a set reaction. You can initiate and trigger a law which then follows its natural course. Allah is the Absolute Power that formulated, and established laws for all things in the universe, exercising absolute control, whether it is in the physical world or in the social life. For instance, salt has a salty taste because Allah wanted it so and made it so. If He had formulated salt to be with a sweet taste, it would have been sweet. Can Allah change the taste of salt from salty to sweet? The answer to that is: Yes, He can but He won’t, because He has pledged NOT to make changes in laws He has established according to His will

This gives rise to the argument that a ‘law abiding Allah’ ceases to be the ‘all-powerful Allah’. But this is misleading. One does not cease to have power if one submits to a law voluntarily. For instance, if you are made to, against your will, have a daily 3- mile early morning walk, you are forced. But if you decide to do it, on your own accord, you are free. One who keeps promises and adopts certain principles in life, is not powerless. On the contrary, such a person is termed a man of honor, upholder of principles and reliable. Therefore, Allah doesn’t lose any power by binding himself in His own Laws. In fact, such a Allah is worthy of being Allah. He is a Allah who can be trusted because His laws are reliable. Despite having the power to do so, He doesn’t break laws.

Wassalam
 
I agree T I A

LOL

some say Allah has chosen that partner for us .. some say its a choice up to the individual. Still theres conflicting answeres....


ANYONE ELSE.......
 
make dua for the best to happen and relax


stressing over stuff like this aint helping no one - especially you !

Assalamu Alaikum

^^^ What he said.


And to the people who want answers, look on the first page of this thread. It has already been explained. It seems pretty straight forward to me. Here are three links pretty much saying what has been said already.

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/20806
http://espanol.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=E&Id=18517&Option=FatwaId
http://www.islamonline.net/LiveFatwa/English/Browse.asp?hGuestID=656QS5
 
^^^ What he said.


And to the people who want answers, look on the first page of this thread. It has already been explained. It seems pretty straight forward to me. Here are three links pretty much saying what has been said already.

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/20806
http://espanol.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=E&Id=18517&Option=FatwaId
http://www.islamonline.net/LiveFatwa/English/Browse.asp?hGuestID=656QS5

Hm thats weird.. It posted under an anonymous account when I was under my regular account.
 
Like all matters, marriage and divorce are among the things that Allaah predestined for man before his creation. A man will not marry anyone except the woman Allaah has predestined for him, nor will their marriage continue if Allaah had decreed their separation.

Ok therefore Allah has.

Think we got our answeres here brothes and sisters.
 
we did get an answer but it was unsatisfying for some that why the confusion

if you trying to marry hasan and hasan is disinterested then you'll probably never get hasan,move on and consider other brothers....ali's , mohammed's and so on
 
Therefore, marriage is obviously predestined and Allah has written that we will get married, have children, and when people choose their spouses they achieve and meet what Allah has willed.

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Like all matters, marriage and divorce are among the things that Allaah predestined for man before his creation. A man will not marry anyone except the woman Allaah has predestined for him, nor will their marriage continue if Allaah had decreed their separation.

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Marriage is one of the things that Allaah has decreed. The person whom you will marry is known to Allaah: He knows who he is, when he was born, where and when he will die, how he will be towards you, and other details. All of that is known to Allaah and He has written it in al-Lawh al-Mahfooz (the Book of Decrees), and it will inevitably come to pass as Allaah has decreed.

If Allaah has decreed that you will marry one person, but you choose someone else, then no matter how long it takes, you will marry that person.
But your marriage to someone else is also decreed, because there is nothing that is not decreed by Allaah. It may be decreed for a woman to marry So and so the son of So and so, and he comes to propose marriage but she refuses him, and marries someone else, then he (the second man) dies or divorces her, then she accepts the first one. All of that is decreed, and it is decreed for her to marry So and so the son of So and so after initially refusing him and after some experience or trials etc.


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Answer to the original question has been found.

Mods...

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Jazaak Allaah Khayr
 
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