Has Your 'God' ever dined on swine?

[John Augustine]

Show me the part where Jesus says, Don't circumcise or that 'I am the messenger of the gentiles"

John 12:32

32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Actually it was Paul who said that not Jesus!

Nope, sorry:

14And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:

15There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

16If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

A statue of Jesus is a material effigy that is worshiped and that is the very definition of an Idol, further exacerbated by the fact that he never actually said I am your God so worship me!

Nobody worships a statue. God Himself commmanded that golden cherubim be put on the Ark of the Covenant in His Temple. There is a difference between an idol and religious artwork.

There is NO monotheism in reincarnation, or a God in multiple forms!

Not in multiple forms. One essence, three persons. Monotheism is retained.

You have 'st' Paul to thank for many things then.. and one wonders why such threads as 'who is the founder of Christianity' receive such shock by the percentage Paul holds as its founder!

On a Muslim majority board? That's just shocking...

 

[memories]

Why is it unusual to pay for someone who can't make payment. Or is forced into a life style beyond his choice?


Show me the part where Jesus says, Don't circumcise or that 'I am the messenger of the gentiles"


Actually it was Paul who said that not Jesus!


A statue of Jesus is a material effigy that is worshiped and that is the very definition of an Idol, further exacerbated by the fact that he never actually said I am your God so worship me!

There is NO monotheism in reincarnation, or a God in multiple forms!


You have 'st' Paul to thank for many things then.. and one wonders why such threads as 'who is the founder of Christianity' receive such shock by the percentage Paul holds as its founder!

all the best

1: God was here for the tax collectors and the prostitutes because they need him the most.

2: Dosent matter wheter a passage says it or not.

3: No , It was jesus, Paul is one of the Apostoles of Jesus eyewitness to what happened.

4:A cross is a symbolic representation of our faith, not an Idol that is beleived to haver magical powers and so forth

5:''Christians are STRICTLY monotheist. "Trinity in Unity and Unity in Trinity", see my thread.'' still stands

6: such a high percentage think its paul because this is an islamic forum, no knowledge of the bible whatsoever, Christianity begs to differ.

thats what I think

 

[جوري]

1: God was here for the tax collectors and the prostitutes because they need him the most.

2: Dosent matter wheter a passage says it or not.

3: No , It was jesus, Paul is one of the Apostoles of Jesus eyewitness to what happened.

4:A cross is a symbolic representation of our faith, not an Idol that is beleived to haver magical powers and so forth

5:''Christians are STRICTLY monotheist. "Trinity in Unity and Unity in Trinity", see my thread.'' still stands

6: such a high percentage think its paul because this is an islamic forum, no knowledge of the bible whatsoever, Christianity begs to differ.

thats what I think

I have already covered the above and will not again as I tire of redundancy, However, I must admit, according to our dear long standing member Gene (Grace Seeker)
Jesus and Paul NEVER met.. and it was a little known fact that Paul preached against Christianity..
So him making Pigs Ok, is really of his own choosing and not Jesus' let alone God's choosing..
If God wanted to abrogate his commandments, he would have carried it out while alive, the apostles seemed confused about their rolls at best, with Peter denouncing Jesus before his death, see my previous comments on the fact. Or in the least he would have done it through his apostles, as confused as they were, at least they were hand picked. He wouldn't have done it later through a shady character with political gains..

all the best

all the best

 

[memories]

I have already covered the above and will not again as I tire of redundancy, However, I must admit, according to our dear long standing member Gene (Grace Seeker)
Jesus and Paul NEVER met.. and it was a little known fact that Paul preached against Christianity..
So him making Pigs Ok, is really of his own choosing and not Jesus' let alone God's choosing..
If God wanted to abrogate his commandments, he would have carried it out while alive, the apostles seemed confused about their rolls at best, with Peter denouncing Jesus before his death, see my previous comments on the fact. Or in the least he would have done it through his apostles, as confused as they were, at least they were hand picked. He wouldn't have done it later through a shady character with political gains..

all the best

all the best

Ok, however Id like to see you providing proof from reliable websites as to the fact you mentionned here that Paul and Jesus never met, because I have always tought the contrary.

 

[جوري]

John 12:32

International Standard Version (©2008)
But he replied, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel." New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Jesus responded, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel."
King James Bible
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
American King James Version
But he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
American Standard Version
But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Bible in Basic English
But he made answer and said, I was sent only to the wandering sheep of the house of Israel.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And he answering, said: I was not sent but to the sheep that are lost of the house of Israel.
Darby Bible Translation
But he answering said, I have not been sent save to the lost sheep of Israel's house.
English Revised Version
But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Webster's Bible Translation
But he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Weymouth New Testament
"I have only been sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel," He replied.
World English Bible
But he answered, "I wasn't sent to anyone but the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Young's Literal Translation
and he answering said, 'I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.'

Nope, sorry:

sorry doesn't cut it.. you don't even know who actually authored your bibles, let alone that it was Jesus who said that.. it was Paul!

Nobody worships a statue. God Himself commmanded that golden cherubim be put on the Ark of the Covenant in His Temple. There is a difference between an idol and religious artwork.

"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything" (Exodus 20:4). ''
that is what an 'Idol' is, a carved religious figure!.. what do you think they are? teenage hopefuls singing on fox?

Not in multiple forms. One essence, three persons. Monotheism is retained.

Three persons doesn't equal one, it is a simple lesson in logic!

On a Muslim majority board? That's just shocking...

I think the Muslims on board who participate on comparative religion are of Christian background.. and lastly, I think we've been very tolerant.. When I was on Atheist and Christian forums, I didn't last two days and most of my posts were deleted.. let's contrast that with how many buffoons remain on this board for yrs, very well tolerated and invited even to people's homes!

all the best

 

[جوري]

Ok, however Id like to see you providing proof from reliable websites as to the fact you mentionned here that Paul and Jesus never met, because I have always tought the contrary.

That is a matter you should take out with Grace Seeker.. our very own forum pastor!

all the best

 

[memories]

That is a matter you should take out with Grace Seeker.. our very own forum pastor!

all the best

No, your the one that says Paul and Jesus never met, Id like to see some proof bout that (seriously I would).

Who in the world is grace seeker?? why coax me into seeking proof from some other forum member: produce it now, you said: ''Jesus and Paul NEVER met.. and it was a little known fact that Paul preached against Christianity'' Now go ahead back that up.

you make it a very fervent and important ''devoir'' trying to dismantle fundamental beleifs of christianity, go ahead back that up.

 

[جوري]

No, your the one that says Paul and Jesus never met, Id like to see some proof bout that (seriously I would).

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excerpted from: http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/134281624-wow-my-convo-mormon-2.html#post1140502

. The problem is that there is no record that Jesus and Paul ever met prior to Jesus' death, or even prior to Jesus' ascension. The only recorded meeting between the two of them, took place some time after Jesus had already ascended to heaven, in which he appeared to Paul in a theophany that took place as Paul was on his way to persecute some of those who, post-Crucifixion/Resurrection event, had become followers of "the Way" (as the Christians were at that time known) under the preaching of Peter and the other disciples. But Paul was never one of that group of disciples. So, it is completely erroneous to say that "he [Jesus] was on bad tersm with him [Paul]", and truly does show a very poor understanding of the bible, just as memories has said -- and that's just one illustration out of many.

two points:
1- I really hate to repeat myself and to be made to look for posts. If you can't keep up with a thread you've actually participated, then don't waste anyone's time.. This shows that you don't read and just want to yap, the problem is, you don't even wish to read the christian view as written by Christians!
2- Nothing in my opinion is worst than ignorance, save for blurting out various stupidities that are at odd even with your alleged own chosen way of life..

You think folks here myself included are 'indoctrinated', to which you are entitled to your opinion.. If you desire to prove a point, the least you can do is a courtesy read before participating on a thread..

It gives me somewhat of a pleasure to make show of you and repeatedly on various posts. But I DON'T have the time to descend to word play or to deal with your adolescent insecurities.. I suggest for your own sake, and if you desire to have some meaningful conversation on ANY forum
1- that you familiarize yourself with the topic you are engaging.
2- If you don't have an intelligent answer, that you simply keep silent and learn from someone who is, especially if it be a christian who has had more yrs of experience than you!

 

[memories]

Back on topic-

And I would really like some one,any one, to provide the websites about the issue I mentionned earlier (grave seeker for instance) as this is quite interesting to me,

not just cite what some other member has said regarding this in another topic, thanks in advance and back on the... swine.. topic.. :happy:

Regards.

 

[John Augustine]

International Standard Version (©2008)
But he replied, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel." New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Jesus responded, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel."
King James Bible
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
American King James Version
But he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
American Standard Version
But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Bible in Basic English
But he made answer and said, I was sent only to the wandering sheep of the house of Israel.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And he answering, said: I was not sent but to the sheep that are lost of the house of Israel.
Darby Bible Translation
But he answering said, I have not been sent save to the lost sheep of Israel's house.
English Revised Version
But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Webster's Bible Translation
But he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Weymouth New Testament
"I have only been sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel," He replied.
World English Bible
But he answered, "I wasn't sent to anyone but the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Young's Literal Translation
and he answering said, 'I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.'

Sorry, 10:32

sorry doesn't cut it.. you don't even know who actually authored your bibles, let alone that it was Jesus who said that.. it was Paul!

The human scribes are of little importance. God inspired them.

"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything" (Exodus 20:4). ''
that is what an 'Idol' is, a carved religious figure!.. what do you think they are? teenage hopefuls singing on fox?

Then why did God command there to be golden cherubim on the Ark?

Three persons doesn't equal one, it is a simple lesson in logic!

One what? If I were to say three persons = one person

THAT

would clearly be false.

But I'm not: Christianity teaches 3 personae in one essence.

I think the Muslims on board who participate on comparative religion are of Christian background.. and lastly, I think we've been very tolerant.. When I was on Atheist and Christian forums, I didn't last two days and most of my posts were deleted.. let's contrast that with how many buffoons remain on this board for yrs, very well tolerated and invited even to people's homes!

Thank you for your tolerance

 

['Abd-al Latif]

The human scribes are of little importance. God inspired them.

Which is according to the christian view. The bible was inspired according to christians. Read the original hebrew and you'll come to realise that the word 'god' in Hebrew is literally 'Allah'.

And Allah is the same god who revealed the Qur'an and he says:

Praise be to Allah, Who hath sent to His Servant the Book, and hath allowed therein no Crookedness:

(He hath made it) Straight (and Clear) in order that He may warn (the godless) of a terrible Punishment from Him, and that He may give Glad Tidings to the Believers who work righteous deeds, that they shall have a goodly Reward,

Wherein they shall remain for ever:

Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, "Allah hath begotten a son":

No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying what they say is nothing but falsehood! [Surah Al-Kahf (The Cave) 18:1-5]

Seeing as you probably don't know Hebrew, let me see if I can dig up a video of someone saying god (or should I say - Allah) in Hebrew.

Then why did God command there to be golden cherubim on the Ark?

According to the bible. I don't know what exctally a 'golden cherubim' is but I assume it's an angel, correct me if i'm wrong.

The real reason for the Ark being built is because the nation that Noah was sent to had rejected him for an entire lifetime until finally Allah had told him to build an Ark. When the Ark was built, every arragont disbeliever was drowned from rain while ever believer who believed in Noah was saved in the Ark. This was the tourment in this world for the disbelievers, yet the tourment of the next life is even worse.

One what? If I were to say three persons = one person

THAT

would clearly be false.

But I'm not: Christianity teaches 3 personae in one essence.

Take any mathmetical calculation, you will end up with the number 3 or a higher number. God, Jesus and the holy spirit = 3 i.e. 1+1+1=3.

3 multiplied by 1 = 3

3 add 1 = 4

3 means three and not one (1).

Unless one has to believe without questioning or logical reasoning then 3 = 1. If at the least you think about it then 3=3.

Thank you for your tolerance

You're welcome.

 

[جوري]

Sorry, 10:32

10:32 means nothing if at odds with another passage.. Either an act of deception or nullify each other out!

The human scribes are of little importance. God inspired them.

Inspiration comes in all forms.. if we are to go by inspiration, then the Gods of Hinduism makes as much sense as the gods of Christianity! Religion should be satisfactory to both heart and mind!

Then why did God command there to be golden cherubim on the Ark?

I don't know that half of the stories you ascribe to god have anything to do with god.. according to Christian theologians, even the story of Mary Magdalene is not found in early biblical text, Never occurred.. but a later addition of men's fancy!

One what? If I were to say three persons = one person

Three persons don't equal one person, and gods aren't human, don't suffer human fate or succumb to human folly!

But I'm not: Christianity teaches 3 personae in one essence.

Well good for Christianity-- We call that shirk in Islam.. and a huge sin at that!

Thank you for your tolerance

all the best

 

[memories]

10:32 means nothing if at odds with another passage.

I found this for those that say this didnt happen or this was enhanced et.


''Worldwide, there are 24,800 copies of these original manuscripts. These include the Codex Vaticanus (325-350 AD) located in the Vatican library and the Codex Siniaticus (350 AD) located in the British Museum. There are also 80,000 quotations in the works of early Christian writers which are so extensive that the New Testament could virtually be reconstructed from them without the actual New Testament documents. Then there is the obvious fact that the Christian Gospels were so widely distributed both before and after Mohammed, that any attempt to change (add/subtract) something in the Christian Gospels would have resulted in immediate discovery.

As to the Tauret (Torah), Jewish scribes painstakingly copied it via a system of checking, double checking and adding each letter on each line. Any attempt to change something in the Torah would have resulted in immediate discovery. And copies of the Torah from around the world agree exactly.

This same quality of transmission cannot be said of the Islamic Qur'an. The Islamic Qur'an was written down from 3rd and 4th hand accounts; and from a few thoughts written on scrap papers --and compiled 200-300 yrs after Mohammed died in 632 A.D. See corrupted Qur'an here Considering the absence of external and internal evidence that should effectively verify the revelatory character of the Qur'an, we find it very hard, if not impossible, to accept the Qur'an as a Message sent by God. This is particularly so, because the Qur'an contradicts earlier revelation, the evidence for the origin of which is given in Qur'an 5:46/47 and 43:63 below.''

Islam has always tryed to sell that the bible is corrupted.. this is not new... some threads here give fine examples
and lastly Muslims have no choice but to believe in the Christian Bible and the Apostles who wrote it. The Qur'an forbids anyone, on pain of shameful punishment, from making distinctions between the authority of the apostles and prophets of God, or from choosing between God's words. No one is permitted to believe in part and reject a part. Those who presume to do so, it says, are infidels in reality (Sura 4:150-52; 2:89; 2:139; 42:15; 29:46-47).




Regards.

 

[GreyKode]

I found this for those that say this didnt happen or this was enhanced et.


''Worldwide, there are 24,800 copies of these original manuscripts. These include the Codex Vaticanus (325-350 AD) located in the Vatican library and the Codex Siniaticus (350 AD) located in the British Museum. There are also 80,000 quotations in the works of early Christian writers which are so extensive that the New Testament could virtually be reconstructed from them without the actual New Testament documents. Then there is the obvious fact that the Christian Gospels were so widely distributed both before and after Mohammed, that any attempt to change (add/subtract) something in the Christian Gospels would have resulted in immediate discovery.

As to the Tauret (Torah), Jewish scribes painstakingly copied it via a system of checking, double checking and adding each letter on each line. Any attempt to change something in the Torah would have resulted in immediate discovery. And copies of the Torah from around the world agree exactly.

This same quality of transmission cannot be said of the Islamic Qur'an. The Islamic Qur'an was written down from 3rd and 4th hand accounts; and from a few thoughts written on scrap papers --and compiled 200-300 yrs after Mohammed died in 632 A.D. See corrupted Qur'an here Considering the absence of external and internal evidence that should effectively verify the revelatory character of the Qur'an, we find it very hard, if not impossible, to accept the Qur'an as a Message sent by God. This is particularly so, because the Qur'an contradicts earlier revelation, the evidence for the origin of which is given in Qur'an 5:46/47 and 43:63 below.''

Islam has always tryed to sell that the bible is corrupted.. this is not new... some threads here give fine examples
and lastly Muslims have no choice but to believe in the Christian Bible and the Apostles who wrote it. The Qur'an forbids anyone, on pain of shameful punishment, from making distinctions between the authority of the apostles and prophets of God, or from choosing between God's words. No one is permitted to believe in part and reject a part. Those who presume to do so, it says, are infidels in reality (Sura 4:150-52; 2:89; 2:139; 42:15; 29:46-47).


Regards.

Ok.. you be the judge.
The only book on the face of the earth that is memorized completely letter by letter, by not thousands but millions is the holy Qur'an. And you can try to check it out.
Is this not efficient enough to preserve it?

 

[جوري]

I found this for those that say this didnt happen or this was enhanced et.


''Worldwide, there are 24,800 copies of these original manuscripts. These include the Codex Vaticanus (325-350 AD) located in the Vatican library and the Codex Siniaticus (350 AD)



Regards.

Indeed and thank you for supporting what I wrote, between the death of your God and 325-350 AD are a few centuries to get creative.

all the best

 

[GreyKode]

Way to go with the anti-Islamic websites.
You should carefully pick your sources, no? You don't want to be indoctrinated right?

 

['Abd-al Latif]

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