Hate for the Pagan

[Predator]

Christianity itself is very pagan in its nature with its use of idols and people created from dust (such as Jesus, Mary, etc...) to reach GOD Almighty is a form of idol worshiping itself, because these idols are being partnered with the One True Living GOD Almighty. They are being glorified and used as "holy symbols" to represent and reach GOD.

The Bible itself is clear about forbidding all forms of idol worshiping:

Let us look at Deuteronomy 4:15-19 "And you must take good care of your souls, because you did not see any form on the day of Jehovah's speaking to you in Ho'reb out of the middle of the fire, that you may not act ruinously and may not really make for yourselves a carved image, the form of any symbol, the representation of male or female, the representation of any beast that is in the earth, the representation of any winged bird that flies in the heavens, the representation of any fish that is in the waters under the earth; and that you may not raise your eyes to the heavens and indeed see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the army of the heavens and actually get seduced and bow down to them and serve them, which Jehovah your God has apportioned to all the peoples under the whole heavens." . Here we see two things: First, GOD Almighty told the people of Israel that he never appeared to them in any way shape or form, and second, he prohibited them to create any images to represent Him. This is the reason why Moses (peace be upon him) told the Israelites that GOD Almighty never appeared to them in any visible form.

In fact, one of the Ten Commandments says "You shall not make yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything...you shall not bow down to them or serve them." (Exodus 20:4-5). Only Allah Almighty or GOD Almighty should be worshiped. The Bible made it clear in several verses that partnering idols with GOD Almighty in His Worship is forbidden: Psalm 115:4-8, Isaiah 44:14-20 and Isaiah 46:6-7.

It is important to know that Jesus who worshiped Allah Almighty in Luke 5:16 and Matthew 26:39 and never used images in worship. The Bible considers GOD Almighty as a "spirit" and He must be worshiped with spirit and truth: "God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth." (John 4:24). Use of idols (humans or objects) is the wrong way to worship the Almighty GOD: "Guard yourselves from idols." (1 John 5:21). Also in (Deuteronomy 7:25) the Jews were ordered by God to burn idols and never use them in worship.

Although the Protestants do not have pictures and statues as the Catholics do, they are as equally guilty as the latter of the crime of idol-worshipping.

Why do we say that?
Let us define the meaning of idol-worship:
Idol-worship means the worshipping of a statue or a human being or power or money or status or property etc. The list is endless.

Idol-worship is not confined to religions alone. It is evident in so many aspects of real life.
As long as a Christian regards Jesus (peace be upon him) as God, he is an idol-worshipper."

Christians today do not follow their religion in the right way. They do not worship Allah Almighty in the appropriate way that they are supposed to. Christian priests and ministers have added so many corruptions and disagreements to their religion that Christianity no longer became a valid absolute pure religion from GOD Almighty. Man's corruption and disagreements in the Bible had devastated the Bible's purity and accuracy.

 

[Hiroshi]

Christianity itself is very pagan in its nature with its use of idols and people created from dust (such as Jesus, Mary, etc...) to reach GOD Almighty is a form of idol worshiping itself, because these idols are being partnered with the One True Living GOD Almighty. They are being glorified and used as "holy symbols" to represent and reach GOD.

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Christians today do not follow their religion in the right way. They do not worship Allah Almighty in the appropriate way that they are supposed to. Christian priests and ministers have added so many corruptions and disagreements to their religion that Christianity no longer became a valid absolute pure religion from GOD Almighty. Man's corruption and disagreements in the Bible had devastated the Bible's purity and accuracy.

Celebrations given the approval of the churches such as Christmas and Easter are entirely pagan in origin. What started out as pure Christianity became corrupted into evil. Nevertheless, the Bible's purity and accuracy have not been "devastated". You are deluding yourself there.

 

[IAmZamzam]

I don't know about the Arabic and I don't even know if there's a provable exact translation anyway but the English word "pagan" is absolutely clear: it's a (mostly derogatory) term meaning "polytheist".

 

[Perseveranze]

Celebrations given the approval of the churches such as Christmas and Easter are entirely pagan in origin. What started out as pure Christianity became corrupted into evil. Nevertheless, the Bible's purity and accuracy have not been "devastated". You are deluding yourself there.

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Do you believe the Bible is by word-2-word from God?

 

[ChargerCarl]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Do you believe the Bible is by word-2-word from God?

I know Catholics don't believe that. Unsure about any other denominations.

 

[Seeker1066]

I know Catholics don't believe that. Unsure about any other denominations.

Catholics believe the Bible is the Inerrent word of God. Catholics believe that the Bible is only one of three authoritative sources 1. Bible 2. (T)radition 3. Magesterium. The Bible is interpreted through the Church.

 

[siam]

This is only my opinion.....

I think the most important difference between Tawheed and Polytheism is between "Unity" and division. Division is egoic---Unity requires humility, compassion and mercy. If we suppose there is only ONE God, and it is the Creator of all human beings and the universe as well as the giver of all knowledge, relgious and non-religious----then it follows that we are all praying to the SAME God who created us all and all religious knowledge are from God. However, over time---ego (division) has come between Tawheed of God and human understanding so that some religions have forgotton the Unity. Yet, vestiges of the original message can still be seen.

Polytheism can feed the divisive ego by thinking "my God is better than your God"....and it does not matter if a person refers to himself as Christian or Muslim---as soon as he thinks "my God is better than your God"....he has fallen into polytheism because he has acknowledged the existence of two Gods, "mine" and "yours". Unity reconfirms the idea that irrespective of our religious labels, we all pray to the ONE God---our Creator.

 

[Hiroshi]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Do you believe the Bible is by word-2-word from God?

Is it claimed that the Qur'an is like that? I thought that there were 7 variant readings of it even today.


The writings in the Bible have been copied and recopied over thousands of years and some copyist errors have appeared in the sacred text. But what does this amount to? There might be the variance in a word or the spelling of a word but this rarely causes any problem. Firstly, these are only tiny changes amid a vast amount of other writing that has been faithfully and reliably recorded and preserved. And secondly, these variances almost never have any impact on anything important or doctrinal.

Of more serious concern are cases where a deliberate attempt has been made by a scribe or copyist to change the meaning of the scriptures by making alterations in them.

I mentioned some of these in another post:

This link:

http://livingtheway.org/sopherim.html

says:

[SIZE=+1]There was, at one point in history, an organized attempt, by the very scribes who copied the Hebrew scriptures, to change certain words and phrases in the scriptures. One of the things that they did was to remove God’s name from scripture in 134 verses! 134 times, these scribes removed the name of God and substituted "Adonay," often out of reverence and respect for God’s name, and a wish not to blaspheme God’s name by using it too often.[/SIZE]


And in my copy of Rotheram's translation "The Emphasized Bible" there is a footnote to Habakkuk 1:12 which reads:

""All the ancient records emphatically state that ... the original reading was ... "Thou diest not" ... Rashi (1040-1105) makes this the basis of his explanation" - G. Intro. p. 358 [The Sopherim changed it to: "We shall not die."]"

The tampering or changing of the sacred text of the scriptures by the Jewish Sopherim or scribes was apparently done with a good motive. It was an attempt to remove anything in the Bible that seemed to be disrespectful or unseemly respecting God. Nevertheless, what these scribes did was completely wrong.

And:

[SIZE=+4]The 134 Passages Where The Sopherim Altered "Jehovah" to "Adonai". [/SIZE]
[FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+2] This Is Appendix 32 From The Companion Bible. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] Out of extreme (but mistaken) reverence for the Ineffable Name "Jehovah", the ancient custodians of the Sacred Text substituted in many places "Adonai" (see Appendix 4. viii. 2). These, in the Authorized Version and Revised Version, are all printed "Lord". In all these places we have printed it "L[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]", marking the word with an asterisk in addition to the note in the margin, to inform the reader of the fact.
The official list given in the Massorah (§§ 107-15, Ginsburg's edition) contains the 134.
Genesis 18:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]3,27,30,32[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 19:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]18[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 20:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]4[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Exodus 4:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]10,13[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 5:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]22[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 15:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]17[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 34:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]9,9[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Numbers 14:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]17[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Joshua 7:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]8[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Judges 6:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]15[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 13:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]8[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]1[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]Kings 3:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]10,15[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 22:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]6[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]2[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]Kings 7:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]6[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 19:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]23[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Isaiah 3:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]17,18[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 4:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]4[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 6:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]1,8,11[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 7:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]14,20[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 8:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]7[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 9:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]8,17[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 10:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]12[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 11:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]11[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 21:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]6,8,16[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 28:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]2[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 29:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]13[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 30:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]20[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 37:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]24[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 38:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]14,16[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 49:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]14[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Ezekiel 18:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]25,29[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 21:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]13[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 33:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]17,29[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Amos 5:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]16[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 7:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]7,8[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 9:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]1[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Zechariah 9:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]4[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Micah 1:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]2[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Malachi 1:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]12,14[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Psalm 2:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]4[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 16:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]2[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 22:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]19,30[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 30:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]8[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 35:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]3,17,22[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 37:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]12[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 38:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]9,15,22[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 39:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]7[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 40:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]17[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 44:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]23[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 51:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]15[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 54:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]4[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 55:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]9[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 57:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]9[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 59:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]11[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 62:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]12[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 66:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]18[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 68:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]11,17,19,22,26,32[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 73:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]20[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 77:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]2,7[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 78:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]65[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 79:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]12[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 86:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]3,4,5,8,9,12,15[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 89:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]49,50[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 90:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]1,17[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 110:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]5[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 130:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]2,3,6[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Daniel 1:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]2[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 9:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]3,4,7,9,15,16,17,19,19,19[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Lamentations 1:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]14,15,15[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 2:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]1,2,5,7,18,19,20[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 3:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]31,36,37,58[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Ezra 10:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]3[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Nehemiah 1:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]11[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 4:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]14[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Job 28:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]28[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] To these may be added the following, where "Elohim" was treated in the same way :- [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]2[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]Samuel 5:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]19-25[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 6:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]9-17[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]} Where the Authorized Version has "L[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]."
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]1[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]Chronicles 13:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]12[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 14:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]10,11,14,16[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 16:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]1[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Psalm 14:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]1,2,5[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 53:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]1,2,4,5[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1].} Where in Authorized Version and Revised Version it still appears as "God". It is printed "G[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]OD[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]" in the Companion Bible.


[/SIZE][/FONT]Also there have been clumsy attempts to corrupt the writings in the NT by introducing whole passages into the text such as at 1 John 5:7. But ultimately, all efforts to corrupt the Bible have met with failure because it has been so widely copied and distributed over the entire world into many different languages and cultures and to succeed it would be necessary to change all of these which would be impossible. Any changes introduced can be identified and eliminated with comparison generally to older and more reliable manuscripts.[FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]
[/SIZE][/FONT]

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Is it claimed that the Qur'an is like that? I thought that there were 7 variant readings of it even today.

nice try, but that doesn't contradict that it is from god. fool.

 

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum(peace be with you)

Is it claimed that the Qur'an is like that? I thought that there were 7 variant readings of it even today.

The text is the same upon revelation, Uthman (who knew the Prophets(pbuh) Quraishi Dialect) by the will of God ensured this. Even though there are 7 variants in readings, it doesn't significantly change the meaning or the context of the text.

As for the 7 aHruf, they were revealed by the angel in these 7 ways. The Prophet

taught the Companions whichever one He felt was easiest for that individual. But over time, they all got mixed together because people learned from multiple teachers. So we cannot know for sure what each Harf was like. But we are certain that the variations we have today were taught by Rasoolullah

.

Today, there is ONLY ONE ORIGINAL ARABIC NOBLE QURAN that Muslims follow. There are different English and other language translations to it of course, because translations are man-made and they all depend on the author’s writing style and abilities, but as far as the Arabic Noble Quran, which is the only thing that matters, there is only ONE ARABIC NOBLE QURAN TODAY.

As for the Bible -

[FONT=&quot]How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. [/FONT][FONT=&quot](From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)[/FONT][FONT=&quot]"[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]"Christians readily admit, however, that there have been 'scribal errors' in the copies of the Old and New Testament. It is beyond the capability of anyone to avoid any and every slip of the pen in copying page after page from any book, sacred or secular. Yet we may be sure that the original manuscript (better known as autograph) of each book of the Bible, being directly inspired by God, was free from all error. Those originals, however, because of the early date of their inception no longer exist." [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"Because we are dealing with accounts which were written thousands of years ago, we would not expect to have the originals in our possession today, as they would have disintegrated long ago. We are therefore dependent on the copies taken from copies of those originals, which were in turn continually copied out over a period of centuries. Those who did the copying were prone to making two types of scribal errors. One concerned the spelling of proper names, and the other had to do with numbers."[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"Most Christians will affirm that the Bible is our rule of faith and practice. It is a little self contradictory to stand in the pulpit and say the word of God is inspired, when in his heart the pastor knows he is not referring to any book here on this earth that people can hold in their hands and believe. He really should say what he believes - that the word of God WAS inspired at one time but we no longer have it, so the best we can do is hope we have a close approximation of what God probably meant to tell us."[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"It also seems a bit inconsistent to say he believes the originals were inspired, when he has never seen them, they never were together in one single book and they no longer exist anyway. How does he know they were inspired? He accepts this by faith. Yet he seems to lack the faith to actually believe that God could do exactly what He said He would do with His words. God said He would preserve them and that heaven and earth would pass away but His words would not pass away."

[/FONT]Finally, not to be rude but I didn't quite understand if you answered the question directly, which was whether you believe the Bible is by meaning and word-to-word from God?

Also there have been clumsy attempts to corrupt the writings in the NT by introducing whole passages into the text such as at 1 John 5:7. But ultimately, all efforts to corrupt the Bible have met with failure because it has been so widely copied and distributed over the entire world into many different languages and cultures and to succeed it would be necessary to change all of these which would be impossible. Any changes introduced can be identified and eliminated with comparison generally to older and more reliable manuscripts.

Is this implying that you believe the Bible today is uncorrupted and the direct word of God?

 

[Hiroshi]

Is this implying that you believe the Bible today is uncorrupted and the direct word of God?

Let me put the question back to you.

Show me an example in the Bible where there has been a corruption in the text which causes a genuine problem in understanding the meaning of God's Word at that place.

 

[Arisempire]

Well as you are asking Monotheists the first reason is obvious. Note that it isn't just that Christians, Jews and Muslims claim that there is one God. They claim that one God is the Same God. The God of Abraham. Polytheists by nature reject the one God. Muslims, Jews and Christians have lived in common areas for generations. Though there are great differences they all share the one God. Islam calls them Ahl al Kitaab(people of the book) as all share revelations from the one God. Polytheists reject God thus are enemies of him in a way that Ahl al Kitaab could never be. Thus they face harsh persecution.

The Qur'an says to the Muslims to don't trust Jews & Christians. AND MOSTLY the Qur'an DON'T recognize Jesus as God as Christianity do, that's why is ABSOLUTELY WRONG to consider these TWO DIFFERENT faiths as they believe in the same God, because is not like that. God to Christianity is Jesus, to Islam and Judaism is NOT Jesus. I don't know if Islam and Judaism can be considered as religions who believe in the same God, but Christianity obviously believes in another God and CAN'T be related to Islam nor Judaism.

Catch a rainbow and tie the ends together, vale's lily.

Paganism doesn't follow its own logic. It always seems to all but acknowledge the truth of monotheism in some way or other yet still insists on not committing to it. There's always either a single, highest god so high above the other gods that He's like a god to them too, or some kind of creator deity behind the others, or some supreme or ultimate source greater than the gods themselves (like "All-Father" of Norse paganism), or else the different gods are all really one god manifested differently or with different "avatars" or "persons"...none of it seems to be able to get away from the basic fact of an ultimate singularity overseeing or creating all else, but it still insists on compromising and not acknowledging this singularity alone. It's also psychologically a morally dangerous thing. Devotion to multiple sources from the same category or group is not really a feasible thing to do as sincerely as devotion to only one. Worship must be more singular or it just isn't going to be as worshipful.

Have nothing to do with the one or the many, is insane to worship something not real, that's what matters. To their eyes you look in the same way that they look in your eyes.

The Arabic term Mushrik basically means polytheist, one who ascribes partners to Allaah, or one who worships others along with Allaah, or one who resembles Allaah to His creation. Those people who venerate the tombs, seek intercession through the dead, worship idols and images, worship spirits, venerate trees, seek protection through amulets, practice witchcraft, seek intercession through angels...they are all Mushrikeen (Polytheists).

Judaism, Christianity, and Islaam all claim to be the rightful representatives of the Legacy of Abraham. However, only Islaam is true to the Legacy of Abraham, whereas Judaism and Christianity have deviated from the pure and rigid monotheism of Abraham (Peace be upon him).

The Religion of Islaam is also given the name of Millat Ibraheem (Sect of Abraham) in the Quraan. Abraham was the great prophet who destroyed the idols which his father and his people were devoted to. The tyrant and oppressor Nimrod had him thrown into a blazing furnace, but Allaah protected Abraham, and he emerged unscathed.

Although Christians and Jews claim to follow Abraham, yet they have deviated from his teaching, as they are also guilty of Shirk (Polytheism). They call upon and worship Jesus, believe him to be the son of God, they worship Mary, build places of worship over the graves of the Prophets, seek intercession through the prophets and saints who are dead and cannot help them. They also pray and worship Angels and make images and idols of angels, saints, fairies, prophets, etc.

Even majority of so called "Muslims" are guilty of same thing, by venerating tombs, seeking intercession through dead prophets, saints, and peers. They seek protection through amulets, and make offerings and animal sacrifices in the name of dead saints and peers. They are also Mushrikeen.

However, Saudi Arabia, and possibly a few other Gulf states, are the only purely monotheistic societies left in the world where authentic Islaam is still predominant. But rest of the world is drowning in polytheism.

You're obviously Saudi, you're very pure and noble people. I understand your point, what you are trying to say is that countries like Turkey can't be considered in anyway as Muslim because they recognize homosexuality as legal, in Turkey since 1858(Wikipedia).

I need to know something, is not allowed by Islam to have a tomb or what? The body should be burned? Sorry my ignorance on this issue.:embarrass

 

[Zafran]

The Qur'an says to the Muslims to don't trust Jews & Christians. AND MOSTLY the Qur'an DON'T recognize Jesus as God as Christianity do, that's why is ABSOLUTELY WRONG to consider these TWO DIFFERENT faiths as they believe in the same God, because is not like that. God to Christianity is Jesus, to Islam and Judaism is NOT Jesus. I don't know if Islam and Judaism can be considered as religions who believe in the same God, but Christianity obviously believes in another God and CAN'T be related to Islam nor Judaism.

The Muslim, The Jew and The christian believe in the same God - in the sense we all believe in the God of Abhraham, Issac, Ishmeal, Moses, Joseph pbuta etc etc

we disagree on the role of christ. Christians believe the God of Abhraham pbuh became a man - Muslims and Jews disagree

 

[Hiroshi]

The Qur'an says to the Muslims to don't trust Jews & Christians. AND MOSTLY the Qur'an DON'T recognize Jesus as God as Christianity do, that's why is ABSOLUTELY WRONG to consider these TWO DIFFERENT faiths as they believe in the same God, because is not like that. God to Christianity is Jesus, to Islam and Judaism is NOT Jesus. I don't know if Islam and Judaism can be considered as religions who believe in the same God, but Christianity obviously believes in another God and CAN'T be related to Islam nor Judaism.

I am a Jehovah's Witness and consider myself a Christian but I do not believe in the trinity and I do not believe that Jesus is Almighty God. Such beliefs that are found in the different churches that we see today are not a reflection of true Christianity at all.

 

[Thucydides1987]

It's also psychologically a morally dangerous thing. Devotion to multiple sources from the same category or group is not really a feasible thing to do as sincerely as devotion to only one. Worship must be more singular or it just isn't going to be as worshipful.

I don't understand, why is it psychologically and morally dangerous to believe in more than one god? How could you have the right to say that polytheism is not as sincere enough a devotion as monotheism when you yourself are a monotheist??? That's exceedingly biased and ignorant of you.

 

[Thucydides1987]

None of us have seen God, so we find it insulting when God is made in the shape of a human or animal or mixture.

But the idols are not "God"; they are deities of particular pagan cults and have no association to your abrahamic god. An idol of Zeus or Isis are not attempted images of Allah...

 

[Thucydides1987]

Polytheism can feed the divisive ego by thinking "my God is better than your God".

This sounds good theoretically, but is completely wrong historically.

There is no evidence where we see a pagan society split between a disagreement over gods. Never have pagans engaged among one another in a discourse which involves the attempt to point out the validity of one god over another. On the contrary, all gods within a pagan society were acknowledged to be real, equally venerable, and worthy of reverence and respect. Pagan societies, in fact, have been the most tolerant religious societies in history. It was in the monotheistic societies that you saw the rise of the idea of "My God is better than your God", and the consequent bloodshed based on that mindset.

 

[Ramadhan]

I don't understand, why is it psychologically and morally dangerous to believe in more than one god?

Would it be psychologically correct and morally right for you to claim that you were fathered by a dozen of men and a couple of women?

That's exceedingly biased and ignorant of you.

If you claim yes, that is exceedingly biased and ignorant of you.

 

[Thucydides1987]

Would it be psychologically correct and morally right for you to claim that you were fathered by a dozen of men and a couple of women?

.....No pagan theology (at least in the West) claims such a thing. Do you know what you're talking about, by the way?

And are you telling me that it's psychologically and morally more correct to believe that ONE being somewhere up in the sky (is he a man or a woman, anyway?) fathered you?

 

[Ramadhan]

.....No pagan theology (at least in the West) claims such a thing. Do you know what you're talking about, by the way?

And are you telling me that it's psychologically and morally more correct to believe that ONE being somewhere up in the sky (is he a man or a woman, anyway?) fathered you?

sigh...

I was making an analogy, but it appears you don't even get it.