Haters. Go away.

[M..x]

I have actually never read a hateful comment against Islam on this website or heard anyone saying they are offended by it. Reasonable criticism is a good thing and should not be taken as offensive.

Given that you've been a member for such a short period of time, your hardly in a position to be saying that. And if you had come across some of the posts that I have and many of the members on this forum have (Which has led to the banning of some members who have done as I have described) you woudn't be saying that. =)

This is a discussion forum, not everyone is going to agree.

There's a difference between leading a constructive debate about an issue and it is something completely different hurling baseless silly comments which have no value and which will provoke an argument.

I think while you're calling people names you should wounder who it is thats really spreading hate here.

This was a general comment, and I don't recall my comments specifically applying to 'atheists' or 'Christians'. It was a GENERAL remark. I thought I made that clear.

The original post is ridiculous given many threads are addressed given many threads are addressed directly to atheists with questions.

Not really, its an issue of respect. I'd say the same if it was a case of Muslims acting in an inappropriate way.
What I do find 'ridiculous' though is, when I do have time to come on this and see hateful comments by people. I mean, like we haven't got enough hate towards Muslims as it is, and this is going on in an Islamic forum where non-Muslims have the audacity to come and post such filthy remarks. If you don't like the religion, go away. Simple as. =)

 

[Skavau]

This thread was created (presumably, as the exact same post exists in the thread) directly in response to an example I gave to marwen, in ironically a civilised discussion about the nature of free-speech and the role (or lack of role) that censorship should play. Indeed it should also be noted that the thread me and marwen were conversing in happened to have been started by a Muslim - who seeked to gather support for those who would wish punishment upon those who insult Muhammed. Every single non-muslim poster in that thread has been posting defensively, in direct response to claims made by Muslims. Every single non-muslim poster in that thread, as well, has been posting in a mature and non hateful manner.

Do I deny that there have been offensive non-muslims that come to this forum with the objective to insult, mock, or propagate? No. I can identify them myself pretty quickly. They often also get removed fairly quickly. I also have never actually started a thread on here. I cannot recall Pygoscelis having ever began a thread on here. I cannot recall Hugo having began a thread on here. All of our posts tend to be defensive or inquisitive in nature and often direct responses to claims made by Muslims about atheism, or about humanism, or about secularism, or about something disagreeable. I have no problem with this and indeed it is precisely what I would expect of a Muslim-ran forum.

 

[جوري]

. I cannot recall Pygoscelis having ever began a thread on here. I cannot recall Hugo having began a thread on here.

Maybe you should go into their profile and do a little research before you make another one of your inane observations? It is too late I think to save face now!

Nice to see though that there is honor amongst the 'humanists'.. Every day your practices and points of views become more degenerate and change to acquiesce to the changing tides .. one wonders how you develop loyalties at all.. Perhaps a loyalty to degeneracy then?

all the best

 

[Ramadhan]

This thread was created (presumably, as the exact same post exists in the thread) directly in response to an example I gave to marwen, in ironically a civilised discussion about the nature of free-speech and the role (or lack of role) that censorship should play. Indeed it should also be noted that the thread me and marwen were conversing in happened to have been started by a Muslim - who seeked to gather support for those who would wish punishment upon those who insult Muhammed. Every single non-muslim poster in that thread has been posting defensively, in direct response to claims made by Muslims. Every single non-muslim poster in that thread, as well, has been posting in a mature and non hateful manner.

Do I deny that there have been offensive non-muslims that come to this forum with the objective to insult, mock, or propagate? No. I can identify them myself pretty quickly. They often also get removed fairly quickly. I also have never actually started a thread on here. I cannot recall Pygoscelis having ever began a thread on here. I cannot recall Hugo having began a thread on here. All of our posts tend to be defensive or inquisitive in nature and often direct responses to claims made by Muslims about atheism, or about humanism, or about secularism, or about something disagreeable. I have no problem with this and indeed it is precisely what I would expect of a Muslim-ran forum.

I apologize beforehand if this come across as being offensive, but I find the sentences in bold wildly funny.

 

[جوري]

I apologize beforehand if this come across as being offensive, but I find the sentences in bold wildly funny.

funny guy posts in the other thread an alleged south-park toon against 'the holocaust' not even bothering to read the anti-defamation league praise for the patent Mel Gibson mockery.. it does take a certain wit to appreciate the caustic 'humor' in those cartoons and it is rather funny that the folks who feel they have 'superior intellect' to the rest can miss something that is slapping them in the face.. another side to hypocrisy perhaps.. or perhaps they like to cater to their own mentation that no one is going to bother investigate something their holiness put down!

 

[Dagless]

Maybe you should go into their profile and do a little research before you make another one of your inane observations? It is too late I think to save face now!

I agree, someone with such intellect should have realised that a search button exists and facts are easily verified... might have been better to stick to nihilism.

"I cannot recall"; the best thing to say when you know you're not telling the entire truth. Either don't say the thing, or check it.

He also avoided answering Junon's comment where he was mentioned. I would have thought that was the most revealing thing which needed to be addressed. I would suggest complete denial or another "I cannot recall"... It usually works.

 

[Skavau]

I agree, someone with such intellect should have realised that a search button exists and facts are easily verified... might have been better to stick to nihilism.

Perhaps Pygoscelis and Hugo have made threads. Whether they have or not was not the central point. The point was is that none of us are specifically offensive, rude or in anyway insulting in our mannerisms and spend more time defending our points than we do attacking other peoples worldviews.

He also avoided answering Junon's comment where he was mentioned. I would have thought that was the most revealing thing which needed to be addressed. I would suggest complete denial or another "I cannot recall"... It usually works.

What comment? Are you talking about this?

Dear DataPacRat,
Please, and I'm speaking for myself, pygo, trumble, skav, cz, kading and the rest of the atheist commuity here (really, they all sent me PMs telling me to tell you this), go find your own thiests. These are ours. Isn't there a nice Mormon or Sikh forum you can harrass? There's like 5,000 religions, why try to take our thiests into to the shadowy realm of logic and rational discourse?

It was a joke. I've never sent blackpool an IM regarding that.

 

[LauraS]

I agree there should be respect and it should be on both sides. I'm starting to get a little tired of being spoken to really snidely in answer to simple questions, such as on the Noah's Ark thread when I'm not even posting anything rude. I think I'm just going to avois certain members because I know there are people on here who are much more polite.

 

[Ramadhan]

I agree there should be respect and it should be on both sides. I'm starting to get a little tired of being spoken to really snidely in answer to simple questions, such as on the Noah's Ark thread when I'm not even posting anything rude. I think I'm just going to avois certain members because I know there are people on here who are much more polite.

I haven't been on IB nearly as long as sis Lily, but even I could detect between people who ask genuine questions, and others who come to the discussions pretending asking questions but with snide agenda of their own.
For your information, there have been countless discussions which were very fruitful, beneficial to all and ran its good course because people involved were genuine in seeking answers or giving their contribution in good manner.

 

[LauraS]

I have been asking genuine questions, I haven't come on here to insult people and don't have some sort of secret agenda. Like I said, it's only certain members.

 

[Ramadhan]

I have been asking genuine questions, I haven't come on here to insult people and don't have some sort of secret agenda.

Many others, including me, might perceive you asking mad_scientist if he is really a muslim a not so genuine question.

 

[جوري]

I agree, someone with such intellect should have realised that a search button exists and facts are easily verified... might have been better to stick to nihilism.

"I cannot recall"; the best thing to say when you know you're not telling the entire truth. Either don't say the thing, or check it.

He also avoided answering Junon's comment where he was mentioned. I would have thought that was the most revealing thing which needed to be addressed. I would suggest complete denial or another "I cannot recall"... It usually works.

Well as I always say-- if you are looking for sub-mediocre persuasions, perversions of truths and the usual comedic relief .. you can always look to one of their posts.. You know what strikes me is, if this is the level of fidelity (or lack thereof) with which they approach other areas of their lives.. I can't imagine as an employer hiring folks or seeking business from folks this provincial. They are either directly deceptive which in fact would be in concert with their code of ethics or believe that everyone else is beneath them intellectually, socially, morally etc. and just huckster their crap out because well who is going to question it?

 

[Woodrow]

I just want to interject a thought at this point:


Keep in mind we are not a scholastic site. It is not within our ability to educate, teach, or give in Tasfir. we do not and will not claim to be Islamic teachers, Mufti, or scholars.

Our goal is very basic, very simple and not much more than kindergarten level. Our goal is simple, basic truth. to let us learn the truth about each other, smash stereotypical views and let non Muslims learn what a Muslim is, without being limited to the stereotype.

A secondary goal is for us to learn the truth about non-Muslims and not what our stereotypical view tells us they are. Perhaps we can live side by side without offending each other, if we learn how we sometimes unjustly offend each other.



With that in mind should we be trying to reach those who know and love us, or should we be trying to reach those who despise us and believe the lies?

In the mean time, we all can try to learn to debate, with facts - not hate. Legitimate debates should be educational, productive and enjoyable. If we do not have those, it is not a debate.

 

[جوري]

Br. woodrow you may always interject with a little candor and a large sized tranquilizer gun

 

[LauraS]

Many others, including me, might perceive you asking mad_scientist if he is really a muslim a not so genuine question.

I really meant no offence, I didn't phrase it as "really" a Muslim. It's just he claimed to have little knowledge of Islam so I was confused. That's the truth whether you believe it or not, I didn't realise it was him "not bragging" about his knowledge as apparently we do in the west

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

I have been asking genuine questions, I haven't come on here to insult people and don't have some sort of secret agenda. Like I said, it's only certain members.

maybe you should take into consideration that perhaps certain things maybe offensive to us, and thus should be reworded. not having a go at you personally, but I've seen one thread of yours, replied in it once, and unsubscribed becuase i know it would have just been going around in circles and possibly not tried being understood how its meant to be, but rather from a pre-formed/presumptuous opinion, it would have been viewed.

these threads that some people make just seem to be made with a certain (insincere) intend and thus are just going to breed argument without an aim. its as if you the truth and yet knowingly twist it around just to cause some controversy. these things have been repeated over and over and over and over and....(well you get the drift) again. if you want to ask, first search. if nothing makes sense, ask using some manners. holy moly, people learn good manners at the age of 5!

i mean seriously people for those who intend insult and harm, if you ask question, surely you have the consideration to ask them politely and not come here all guns blazin' expecting to be treated kindly. get real.

 

[Woodrow]

maybe you should take into consideration that perhaps certain things maybe offensive to us, and thus should be reworded. not having a go at you personally, but I've seen one thread of yours, replied in it once, and unsubscribed becuase i know it would have just been going around in circles and possibly not tried being understood how its meant to be, but rather from a pre-formed/presumptuous opinion, it would have been viewed.

these threads that some people make just seem to be made with a certain (insincere) intend and thus are just going to breed argument without an aim. its as if you the truth and yet knowingly twist it around just to cause some controversy. these things have been repeated over and over and over and over and....(well you get the drift) again. if you want to ask, first search. if nothing makes sense, ask using some manners. holy moly, people learn good manners at the age of 5!

i mean seriously people for those who intend insult and harm, if you ask question, surely you have the consideration to ask them politely and not come here all guns blazin' expecting to be treated kindly. get real.

I believe you may have touched on something that is the basis of many bad feelings. It is true many non-Muslims do say and do things we find to be extremely objectionable, argumentative, insulting and out right offensive. Yet, I doubt if the majority are aware of it and see us as just being overly emotional. Perhaps one of the best mutual services we can do is to point out specifically why something offends us and elicits anger. A little education and explanations can reduce many misunderstandings.

I find that very few people are actually bad and intend to offend, but a very large number of people are ignorant of what is offensive to people outside their own belief system. Education, explanations and by example just may go a long ways.

We do have people that come here with the intent of bashing us. They never last past the moment any mod or admin becomes aware of them. One good tool all members have is access to the report button. We actually do pay attention to reports. We do take action. The action may not be visible to everybody, but if an offense has been committed, the mods and the offender are aware of the action and what needs to be done. Use the report button, there is no advantage in any member taking matters in their own hands.

 

[جوري]

Br. Woodrow we are under no-obligation to wait until someone has 200 infraction pts. for a permanent ban-- really I personally run on zero tolerance. If they can't respect the religion of this forum, then they need not be here, the web is littered with a gamut of anti-Islamic sites which share their sentiment in various grades.
I am so appalled truly instead of greeting potential converts and clarifying things for them we waste our time on these net gadflies and trolls.

To me that is absolutely unnecessary!

 

[Woodrow]

Br. Woodrow we are under no-obligation to wait until someone has 200 infraction pts. for a permanent ban-- really I personally run on zero tolerance. If they can't respect the religion of this forum, then they need not be here, the web is littered with a gamut of anti-Islamic sites which share their sentiment in various grades.
I am so appalled truly instead of greeting potential converts and clarifying things for them we waste our time on these net gadflies and trolls.

To me that is absolutely unnecessary!

Ukhti,

Just my own opinion. I also despise the gadflies and trolls. I have no delusion that anything I say or do will change there opinion of Islam nor open their eye's to the Love of Allaah(swt). I actually have a very fast temper, I do anger easily, but my trial on earth has become one of self control and know that I have no control over how others act or behave, but I do have control over how I treat others and my burden in my later years is now one of patience and self control I can not guide as much as one person to Islam and I can not prove any non believer is wrong, but I can through my actions and words show that as a Muslim I act out of peace and seek fairness for all people, which is a very big change from my pre-reverting life. Islam led me to Peace and part of this Peace removed the hate and impatience I had in the past

 

[LauraS]

Then can I set the record straight? I haven't come here with the intention of offending anybody I just wanted to discuss with Muslims the issues that are in the press at the moment, which are the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and obviously the niqab. I've never said I support the wars I've been debating with myself the rights and wrongs. As for the niqab, I do respect that women wear it out of faith but I also agree with Supreme's post on the thread itself. We will obviously have different opinions on matters but don't think I want to cause trouble because of it. To my knowledge I've never posted anything in an outright rude manner, but if I do say something worded in the wrong sort of way, as Woodrow says, just tell me.