Have you talked to any Mormons.

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islamic said:
we must talk with mormons, 7 days adventist, with Yahowa wit. and with ALL other christians sects! WE MUST, we can't avoid them!
Search on youtube for a conversation of Ahmed Deedat with Mormons. Try to search like this: deedat+mormons
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Just a side note to this discussion. While non-Christians may think of groups such as Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses as Christian sects, most Christians who practice historic Christianity (as expressed in creeds such as the Apostles' or Nicene creeds) would think of them as not being Christian.
 
Grace Seeker said:
Just a side note to this discussion. While non-Christians may think of groups such as Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses as Christian sects, most Christians who practice historic Christianity (as expressed in creeds such as the Apostles' or Nicene creeds) would think of them as not being Christian.
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isnt that along the lines of a true scotsmans argument.

They themselves see themselves as christian.

Just as a protestant, catholic , or a episcaplian
 
Grace Seeker said:
Just a side note to this discussion. While non-Christians may think of groups such as Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses as Christian sects, most Christians who practice historic Christianity (as expressed in creeds such as the Apostles' or Nicene creeds) would think of them as not being Christian.
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right right right :) I can agree with this also. :D
 
ranma1/2 said:
isnt that along the lines of a true scotsmans argument.

They themselves see themselves as christian.

Just as a protestant, catholic , or a episcaplian
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I don't know. Is it?
I'm part Scottish, but I don't say that other people are not Scottish because they are part Irish, English, or even German. Though maybe someone who is 100% Scottish would. I'm not really sure how that is relevant either?

In this case, Mormons will tell you that I am not a Christian, that I am an apostate Christian because I do not practice the Mormon version of Christianity. And Jehovah's Witness will tell you that they are the only true worshippers of God in the world.

On the other hand even Catholic Christians, who think that they are the only true and legitimate Christian Church, will admit that a Lutheran or a Presbyterian or an Orthodox or a Coptic believer are Christians as well. And Presbyterians and Lutherans will agree with regard to Catholics and Orthodox or Coptic Christians. And so on. But neither Mormons nor Jehovah's Witness will recognize any other group but themselves. So, just remember, if you seek to agree with Mormons that they are Christians, to remain in agreement with them you would have to say that all of the rest of us are not.
 
Greetings,

I've only met Mormon people once - they were a couple, and once they found out I was an atheist they were very keen to have me round to dinner. I didn't go. Perhaps I should have done - it might have been entertaining.

They call their religion 'LDS' - short for 'Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints', and in the past they objected to being called 'Mormons', although they've capitulated in the face of the unstoppable and now accept it as a designation.

They have some AMAZING beliefs, and many will apparently happily admit that their theology is nutty.

For instance: the Book of Mormon was revealed to Joseph Smith (in a rather fantastic manner that I won't go into now - you can find out about it by doing some research if you're interested) in a language unknown to humans. He was given divinely sanctioned assistance to translate it into English, which he did. Here's the weird thing:

Huge passages of the text are identical to the King James Bible. In fact, they are so identical that they even include the translators' errors from that Bible.

Does that sound divine to you?

Peace
 
What the Bible says about Jesus vs. what Mormonism says about Jesus:

The Bible
• He is the virgin-born Son of God, conceived by the Holy Ghost (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:18; Luke 1:34-35).

Mormonism
• Jesus "was born in the same personal, real and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father" (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 547, 742).
• "When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten Him in His own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. And who is the Father? He is the first of the human family (Adam)" (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. I, p. 50).
• Christ had a "unique status in the flesh as the offspring of a mortal mother and of an immortal or resurrected and glorified Father (Adam)" (James Talmage, Articles of Faith, p. 473).

The Bible
• Satan is a created - and fallen - angel (Isaiah 14:12).

Mormonism
• "Lucifer - this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind" (Milton R. Hunter of the First Council of Seventy, The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15).

The Bible
• Jesus did not marry.

Mormonism
• "Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana - We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed" (Orson Hyde, apostle, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 82).

The Bible
• Jesus is the foundation of the true church (Matthew 16:18; Acts 4:11-12; Colossians 1:18).

Mormonism
• Joseph Smith: "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, pp. 408-9).

The Bible
• Jesus is the judge of all (John 5:22).

Mormonism
• "No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith … Every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, Junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are" (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 289).

The Bible
• Jesus is the one who resurrects all (John 5:28-29).

Mormonism
• Joseph Smith will receive the keys of the resurrection. "If we ask who will stand at the head of the resurrection in this last dispensation, the answer is - Joseph Smith, Junior, the Prophet of God. He is the man who will be resurrected and receive the keys of the resurrection, and he will seal this authority upon others, and they will hunt up their friends and resurrect them" (Brigham Young, Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 116).

The Bible
• Jesus is the eternal Son of God, the Creator, co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and Holy Spirit (John 1:1-14; Colossians 1:15-20; Philippians 2:5-11; Hebrews 1:1-13).

Mormonism
• A "council of the Gods" created the world. "In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it … In all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods" (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, pp. 308, 474).
The Bible
• The Holy Spirit is the third Person of the triune Godhead (Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19-20).

Mormonism
• Joseph Smith taught that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit "constitute three distinct personages and three Gods" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370).

The Bible
• The Holy Spirit is co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and the Son (Acts 5:1-11).

Mormonism
• The Father has a body of flesh and bones. So does the Son. But the Holy Ghost is "a personage of spirit" (Doctrines and Covenants 130:22).

The Bible
• The Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost are two Biblical names for the same person.

Mormonism
• "The Holy Ghost … is a personage distinct from the Holy Spirit. As a personage, the Holy Ghost cannot any more than the Father and the Son be everywhere present in person" (John A. Widtsoe, Evidences and Reconciliations, p. 76).

The Bible
• The Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost is God (Acts 5:3-4).

Mormonism
• "The Holy Ghost is yet a spiritual body and waiting to take to himself a body as the Saviour did or as the gods before them took bodies" (Joseph Smith, April 6, 1843; see Discourses on the Holy Ghost compiled by N.B. Lundwall, p. 73).

What the Bible says about the Gospel of Jesus Christ vs. what Mormonism says about the Gospel of Jesus Christ:

The Bible
• Christ’s death at Calvary paid our sin debt and purchased our salvation so that everlasting life is received by grace through faith in the Person and work of Jesus (John 3:16, 5:24; Romans 4:4-5; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5).

Mormonism
• Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection made it possible for mankind to be resurrected, but "men will be punished for their own sins" (Article of Faith #2 by Joseph Smith). Through the atonement of Christ "all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel" (Article of Faith #3 by Joseph Smith).
• "There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 670).
• "Baptism … is for the remission of sins … (and) is the gate to the celestial kingdom of heaven" (Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 70).
• There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith … No man can eject that testimony without accepting most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God" (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 188).

The Bible
• The Bible teaches that at death, man’s eternal destiny is fixed in one of two places: heaven or hell (Luke 16:19-31).

Mormonism
• Virtually all men are saved in "General Salvation … meaning resurrection" (Contributions of Joseph Smith by Stephen L. Richards, p. 5).
• Then, based on works, all men will spend eternity in one of three levels of heaven - telestial, terrestrial or celestial. A few "sons of perdition" will not be saved/resurrected.

The Bible
• All men are sinners by nature and by volition (Romans 3:23, 5:12; 1 Corinthians 15:21-22).

Mormonism
• There is no such thing as original sin. All men are gods in embryo. "God and man are of the same race, differing only in their degrees of advancement" (Apostle John Widtsoe, Rational Theology, p. 61).The Bible

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20071125/30217_2_Sidebar:_The_Bible_vs._Mormon_Beliefs.htm
 
Honestly i find their beliefs ridiculous. I studied a bunch of religions in my sociology class a couple of years ago...
 
dont be afraid of the mormons..they have warped christianity into some foreign religion...but they are the most polite people you will ever meet in your life....now those jehova wittnesses on the other hand..just turn off the light and pretend your not home...and this is comming from a christian..
 
Yes, the beliefs of Mormons seem very strange to me, but on a personal level I've never met a Mormon I didn't like.
 
chosen said:
dont be afraid of the mormons..they have warped christianity into some foreign religion...but they are the most polite people you will ever meet in your life....now those jehova wittnesses on the other hand..just turn off the light and pretend your not home...and this is comming from a christian..
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all you have to do when a missionary comes to the door (of whatever sect) is say "i am not interested" and close the door. i've done it all my life. no need to hide, no need to argue.
btw, in my experience mormons are the most agressive of all.
 
Ghira said:
Should we have dialogues with Mormons that drop by your house. I had like a 15 min talk with 2 Mormons about Islam. I did most of the talking and I gave him a Qur'an and he gave me a the book of Mormons. I gave him a good speech so should we have talks with them or should we avoid them.
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assalaamu alaykum,

we should give dawah to everyone, no matter whom. if bush came and asked me about islam i would tell him to the best of my ability.

they also believe the bible to be corrupted, incorrect in places so hence the need for their book of mormon but in other matters they are misguided like other chrisitans.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
snakelegs said:
all you have to do when a missionary comes to the door (of whatever sect) is say "i am not interested" and close the door. i've done it all my life. no need to hide, no need to argue.
btw, in my experience mormons are the most agressive of all.
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Exactly. Or (for Muslims) do like my father does, go get the Qur'an, have your Islamic clothing fast on and open the door with a smile "Yes? I'm sorry I'm late to open the door - I was just reading the best book in the world, subhanAllah, it's called Qur'an. You should read it."

They usually go all :uuh: and my Dad politely says I'm not interested. :okay:
 
Dawud_uk said:
assalaamu alaykum,

we should give dawah to everyone, no matter whom. if bush came and asked me about islam i would tell him to the best of my ability.

they also believe the bible to be corrupted, incorrect in places so hence the need for their book of mormon but in other matters they are misguided like other chrisitans.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
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Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullaah

lets say a man approaches us in a mocking provocative manner, then asks us to describe this book from "God" as a jest, should we still answer him in a beautiful manner or leave him be?!
 
nobody ever comes to my door *sad* , its probably coz of the maximum security-don't dare enter gate.

But I have seen mormons before, when I was playing badminton-they seemed okay -didn't do anything strange, but the one little kid was smiling at me like theres no tomorrow.


I heard something once from my friend(christian catholic) she said that mormons wear a one peice long white underwear..but i totally don't know if this is true or not???//
 
cihad said:
nobody ever comes to my door *sad* , its probably coz of the maximum security-don't dare enter gate.

But I have seen mormons before, when I was playing badminton-they seemed okay -didn't do anything strange, but the one little kid was smiling at me like theres no tomorrow.


I heard something once from my friend(christian catholic) she said that mormons wear a one peice long white underwear..but i totally don't know if this is true or not???//
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That is true. I remember Donnie and Marie Osmond talking about it on TV once. They are probably the most famous Mormons in Show Business.


there is more about Mormon undergarments here.

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/temples/mormon_underwear.html
 
Greetings,

I did not know about the Mormon undergarments. How bizarre. The way the article was written, at first I assumed each person had just one that they wore at all times for the rest of their life, and hygiene issues were flooding into mind, but I assume they change them. :p

Peace
 
as for mormons, no, but I've had times when I've met some jehovah witnesses and recieced some pamphlets (watchtower, ot whatever)... to me, they seem like MLM salesman.... very pushy and annoying....
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullaah

lets say a man approaches us in a mocking provocative manner, then asks us to describe this book from "God" as a jest, should we still answer him in a beautiful manner or leave him be?!
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a quick example from the dawah stall this last saturday...

i had an ex bnp member (who had left them as they dont go far enough) telling me all sorts of stuff, looking like he couldnt decide if he wanted to listen to what i was saying or clock me one, saying all sorts of nasty stuff but still i talked to him, calmed him down and he stopped swearing, to agree that christianity is also from the east so christianity is no more valid for the english than islam and to say he would come back again another day.
 

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