"He who does not have a sheikh"

[Curaezipirid]

I'm not understating the role of sheikhs in explaining to us many important fields of fiqh, but not having a sheikh is no excuse for not becoming a top Muslim

Now I am wondering if there is a quality to a Sheik that I had not previously recogised.

I know meaning for the word fiqh, but had not before found any association between teaching of fiqh and the nature of those whom are shayk.

Is he just a rich dude whom gets it?

Is there a needed social function in having such role models before us?
As persons to Love in Allah?
As persons about whom to appreciate that there is a specific level of responsibility which we must all, in the end, face.

I can reconcile with a need for knowing such persons because of the example they set.

There is sheik rock at the block there in Sydney, whom I have written and supplied Alms to from my work as a poet, (but never met or been replied to from), so I wonder how soon there will be a Sheik Street here in Brisbane. That is to say, that there is a function in which even a poor man can attain that certainty that a Sheik might have. In Isa we all are the poor.

But all my own commentary aside, what is the meaning in the Arabic word "Sheik" that I was missing?

waram/salams

 

[Malaikah]

But through history we see that the khalifaa always had people to learn from, the four great imaams learnt from great scholars right? Ibn Taymiyyah must have had a sheikh and we know the sheikhs of ibn katheer and qayyim etc. So it seems to me that all the great scholars of the past had sheikhs and even Musa AS when he knew that theres someone wiser went in search for him (dhul-kifl), this shows that when you understand that your intelligence isnt the best then you should look for others to learn from right?

Well first of all, they were in very high positions, giving fatwas and stuff so obviously they needed to have a shiekh to learn from!

Secondly, they lived in a time where they couldnt mass print books about billion diff topics and download lectures by heaps of knowledgable sheikhs of the net etc... their only resource was pretty much a teacher, whereas we have many many diff resources we can use so the need of a teacher isnt as great.

But yeh its still good to have a teacher.

 

[Curaezipirid]

Are Shieks dudes who know about the mechanisms of money, and have earned a reputation through generosity, and also able to make public speeches?

Are they just rich dudes who get it, the fiqh of money, but in public?

 

[lolwatever]

i dont know bro i dont have evidence i came here to collect opinions.

But through history we see that the khalifaa always had people to learn from, the four great imaams learnt from great scholars right? Ibn Taymiyyah must have had a sheikh and we know the sheikhs of ibn katheer and qayyim etc. So it seems to me that all the great scholars of the past had sheikhs and even Musa AS when he knew that theres someone wiser went in search for him (dhul-kifl), this shows that when you understand that your intelligence isnt the best then you should look for others to learn from right?

im not saying you will be misguided if you dont have a sheikh (even though maaaany people do get misguided) im saying that its better to have a sheikh and veeery risky to not have one... right?

bro.. i made it obvious lol... to learn teh basics of ur religion and to pelase allah and to become a great Muslim you so very don't need a sheikh... Even though having one is a bonus no doubt!!!!!!! but to say taht their sheikh is shaytan, is a devlish thing in itself.

plus sum ppl hav misguided sheikhs and get misguided (no don't go warning me read my prev posts b4 nemod thinks of jumping 2that!) So guidance really is in Allah's hands not in the sheikhs hands. Afterall some of the devietn sects founders where once upon a time students under top sheikhs (e.g. mutazilah)

dont misunderstand me tho.... i'm just saying that statement is wrong by definition. no evidence to support that.

salamz

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

salaam,

yes jazakAllah khair to all the contributions conclusion is:

Can be a great muslim without a sheikh but can be even better with a righteous sheikh. Statement at the start of the thread isnt completely correct although a sheikh is recommended.

done


:salamext: wa barakAllah feekum

 

[Malaikah]

Are Shieks dudes who know about the mechanisms of money, and have earned a reputation through generosity, and also able to make public speeches?

Are they just rich dudes who get it, the fiqh of money, but in public?

lol what? A sheikh is someone who has really good knowledge of Islam! lol

 

[lolwatever]

salaam,

yes jazakAllah khair to all the contributions conclusion is:

Can be a great muslim without a sheikh but can be even better with a righteous sheikh. Statement at the start of the thread isnt completely correct although a sheikh is recommended.

done


:salamext: wa barakAllah feekum

spoton sis

 

[Curaezipirid]

I don't have a teacher in Islam, because I get it faster than other pupils and am wanton to disrupt lessons for others by leaping ahead.

That is no teacher except for Aboriginal Australians whom are remembering being Muslim. Also computer screens.

I think that my problem is only fear of not being able to commit to any specific local community because of conditions I am living with that are external to the Ummah and unable to be changed; but also a fear that I will be short with a teacher when I can perceive the depth of the teaching more fully. So I am focussing my attention upon imparting what I am learning to other Australians without any Muslim education but whom are interested in learning. Teaching is the only way to become certain as to whether you know. Today I was talking with Socialist youth about what submission in Allah is, and they told me that they used to go sneaking up to their local Mosque at night for the veiw, but perhaps they had only been on too many drugs. Maybe it is becoming an Australian teenagers thing to be rebellious in? Better that they sneak around the Mosque to find out what Muslims are getting from Prayer than sneak around the pub or highschool at night, where they might get themselves into trouble.

But the thing is that youth here who use drugs are being misinformed by drug dealers that Muslims are easy, and that the veiw up in the Mosque is worth paying more for drugs to get a look in on. Actually the socialist youth had been caused to want to learn about Islam, and he has gone on to study comparative religion.

Is a Sheik's job inclusive of preventing such occurrances as drug dealers selling look ins on Muslim prayer? Because if so then Sheik Rock could do with a hand.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

lol what? A sheikh is someone who has really good knowledge of Islam! lol

or if we take it from the merriam-websters online dictionary it means:

1 : an Arab chief
2 usually sheik : a man held to be irresistibly attractive to romantic young women


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[lolwatever]

Now I am wondering if there is a quality to a Sheik that I had not previously recogised.

I know meaning for the word fiqh, but had not before found any association between teaching of fiqh and the nature of those whom are shayk.

Is he just a rich dude whom gets it?

Is there a needed social function in having such role models before us?
As persons to Love in Allah?
As persons about whom to appreciate that there is a specific level of responsibility which we must all, in the end, face.

I can reconcile with a need for knowing such persons because of the example they set.

There is sheik rock at the block there in Sydney, whom I have written and supplied Alms to from my work as a poet, (but never met or been replied to from), so I wonder how soon there will be a Sheik Street here in Brisbane. That is to say, that there is a function in which even a poor man can attain that certainty that a Sheik might have. In Isa we all are the poor.

But all my own commentary aside, what is the meaning in the Arabic word "Sheik" that I was missing?

waram/salams

lol that was a joke sis right

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

spoton sis

bro its you n zAk thats the girls, lets not take me down wiv u

but jazakAllah khair everyone, appreciate inputs wa barakAllah feekum

 

[Malaikah]

2 usually sheik : a man held to be irresistibly attractive to romantic young women

Am I missing something here?! :uuh:

Lets just stick with my definition otherwise we will have some jealous young men and some young women who would be better off with out a shiekh due to gaze-lowering issues. ;D

 

[Curaezipirid]

lol what? A sheikh is someone who has really good knowledge of Islam! lol

OK, but I don't know if I get what the difference in function is between an Imam and a Sheik?

Is a Sheik a more productive teacher, or just more famous or richer, OR, is it that there are specific aspects of the full teaching which a Sheik is in more precise knowledge of than an Imam, and other aspects which an Imam is in more precise knowledge of ? ? ?

(I could tell about my embarrassing mixing up by accident of the word "mufti" and "mullah" but it might be too embarrassing.)

 

[Curaezipirid]

Ah ha, I get it, the Sheiks are cooler! Cos of the sunnies.

 

[Malaikah]

OK, but I don't know if I get what the difference in function is between an Imam and a Sheik?

Good question, I have no idea. :?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Imaams a leader i gess, sheikhs more of a teacher :?

 

[lolwatever]

bro its you n zAk thats the girls, lets not take me down wiv u

but jazakAllah khair everyone, appreciate inputs wa barakAllah feekum

ok i won't bringout some private forum niqab related secrets here kay:

yes back to topic...

Am I missing something here?! :uuh:

Lets just stick with my definition otherwise we will have some jealous young men and some young women who would be better off with out a shiekh due to gaze-lowering issues. ;D

yeh dere's this other weird definition amongst shaytan class arabs......

ffended:

 

[lolwatever]

Imaams a leader i gess, sheikhs more of a teacher :?

yep btw... 4xample... personally i've had dozens of personal sheikhs teaching me face2face.... but i got freidns mashalah within 3 years of practising they got like a billion times more knowledge and sincerity than me!! (i barely have either of both!) ffended: may allah guide us ameen!

salamz

 

[Curaezipirid]

I suddenly got it.

It is true.

If you don't have a Sheik then Shaytan are your Sheik!

It is becaue Shaytan poke around in the message money imprints in your mentation, while a Sheik is the manager of in Allah.

 

[Curaezipirid]

yep btw... 4xample... personally i've had dozens of personal sheikhs teaching me face2face.... but i got freidns mashalah within 3 years of practising they got like a billion times more knowledge and sincerity than me!! (i barely have either of both!) ffended: may allah guide us ameen!

salamz

Having listened to dozens of lectures is not the same as buying the records of all of one specific Sheik's teaching.

It is a similar function to an old part of much of Asian, and Australian tradition. Well, the same really, except that in Islam a Sheik will be a better person.