"He who does not have a sheikh"

Having listened to dozens of lectures is not the same as buying the records of all of one specific Sheik's teaching.

It is a similar function to an old part of much of Asian, and Australian tradition. Well, the same really, except that in Islam a Sheik will be a better person.

no lol.. i mean ive actually been taught... not just attend lectures lol..
e.g. 3 years under a particular individual at masjid, then he left and got transferred 2 sum1 else for a few years etc...

neways khayr insahlah
 
Shaykh = Respectable term for older people, thats what I been taught, I go masjid and I say Salam Aleykum Shaykh so and so, but I might have more knowledge than him but I respect him and use that tittle cos of his age.
 
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a shaykh's gonna tell you bout Islam, increase your knowledge loaaaads, answer any questions (he is knowlegable and well versed in the Quran and Ahadeeth of course), if you dont have one fair enough (I didnt even know it was possible to 'HAVE' one 1 :D ) but then are you gonna live life and follow the deen as you see it to be correct? you got peepz to guide you and help you along so I reckon you should benefit from em :w:
 
that's pure madh-habism

I think you dont know what is the difference between madhhab and sect? They are wayyyy a lot different things, and there have been madhhabs (especially the 4 main ones)for 1200 years, and these were build upon the best scholars our history has ever had, and you come and say now "that's pure madhhabism"? what does it give u the right to say like that?

Are we trying to compare ourselves with a person like imam ahmed for ex. who memorized over a 1 milion hadiths? without sheikhs you would not even know which hadith is sahi and which is daif. are you trying to compare youselves with some people who stay 24 hours in chairs to study a verse, and try to write a single book for 40 years and work on it? are you like ebu hanife who for 40-50 years prayed the fajr with the isha wudu? these people have a gift from Allah swt and that is knowledge and they have bigger understanding then we do.

example is when prophet saws put his hand on one of the scholars can't recall, and asked Allah swt to make him a good scholar? why did the prophet saws do that?

we have to follow the learned man, and Allah swt said that he does not send the majority of scholars in dalalet.
 
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lol that was a joke sis right :D

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :happy: reading back I surprise my self with how far I push the limits of belief into absurd nonsensicality, the truths we are afraid of are so very similar to utter nonsense, and sometimes it helps to relegate the truth into that status just so as to not be too afraid. Here tonight I have in mind a friend whom knows certain facts but covers them over by feigning to believe in nonsensical imiatations of fact. Believing in approximations to fact rather than actual fact, only so as to reduce fear, is the substance that this world which will end is made of. (there is a real Sheik Rock, but no real Sheik Street, -yet) (how about . . . no that would be just too bad) Actually Sheiks are really too good.

no lol.. i mean ive actually been taught... not just attend lectures lol..
e.g. 3 years under a particular individual at masjid, then he left and got transferred 2 sum1 else for a few years etc...

neways khayr insahlah

Oh, tar. The point I was refering to was only that to comprehend the social function of a Sheik, you might need to have made a financial exchange with/to/in respect of.

The money job can even be regarded as a harder acheivment to complete than that of an Imam. That is the work of sustaining the Imam of money.
 
I think you dont know what is the difference between madhhab and sect? They are wayyyy a lot different things, and there have been madhhabs (especially the 4 main ones)for 1200 years, and these were build upon the best scholars our history has ever had, and you come and say now "that's pure madhhabism"? what does it give u the right to say like that?

Are we trying to compare ourselves with a person like imam ahmed for ex. who memorized over a 1 milion hadiths? without sheikhs you would not even know which hadith is sahi and which is daif. are you trying to compare youselves with some people who stay 24 hours in chairs to study a verse, and try to write a single book for 40 years and work on it? are you like ebu hanife who for 40-50 years prayed the fajr with the isha wudu? these people have a gift from Allah swt and that is knowledge and they have bigger understanding then we do.

example is when prophet saws put his hand on one of the scholars can't recall, and asked Allah swt to make him a good scholar? why did the prophet saws do that?

we have to follow the learned man, and Allah swt said that he does not send the majority of scholars in dalalet.

:?

if you hav a specific sheikh that u really like... it's common to say "i'm on the madhhab of so and so".... there's nothing wrong with that as long as ur not blind following...

for example ibn taymiyah would say "and i'm on the madhab of abu yazeed" etc...

sect is when u go out of ur way to make ur own beliefs or things like that. i dont think that statement is sectarianism as much as it is blind madhabism.

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lolwatever, dont worry bro :).
madhhabs are mercy from Allah swt.
 
lolwatever, dont worry bro :).
madhhabs are mercy from Allah swt.

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madhhabs are like anything else, can be catastrophy and can be helpful.

For blind followers, its a punishment from Allah becasue they start to hate people and love people not for sake of Allah, but for the sake of their sheikh or based on who they follow.

For people with knowledge, madhhabs are no more than different opinions which they can analyse, make dua and choose what theyt hink is the most valid opinion.

salams :D
 
Didnt Prohpet Muhammad (PBUH) say that there will be those in the Ummah who will think music and alcohol is halal? A hadith on something like that. I am not sure whether music is halal or haram, may Allah (SWT) increase our knowledge, Ameen.
 
Didnt Prohpet Muhammad (PBUH) say that there will be those in the Ummah who will think music and alcohol is halal? A hadith on something like that. I am not sure whether music is halal or haram, may Allah (SWT) increase our knowledge, Ameen.

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yep... that means they will make what is haram halal, just ike people of book.

salams :)

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yep... that means they will make what is haram halal, just ike people of book.

salams :)

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Walaikum Salam

Yep. I was reading an article from a Qur'an only submitters website claiming music and singing are halal and trying to use the Qur'an to justify it. They accuse the Hadith believing Muslims of almost disrecpecting the message of Muhammad PBUH and claim Muhammad PBUH followed the Qur'an only. It was compelling, and wots confusing is other scholars say music and singing are haram, the hadith embracing scholars.
 
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I heard a man esteemed due to his knowledge to say

"he who does not have a sheikh, surely his sheikh is the shaytaan"

what do the brothers and sisters of this forum have to say about this? is it very true? surely sheikhs are important but i dont have one...

I think the statement is too misleading. (I am not accusing but It sounds to close to what some sufi will say.)
It is important when someone don't understand something is to ask someone who know's.
Islam does not say you have to be under the guidance of or have a personal sheikh. Nor does it say one can't use Quran & the Sunnah.

Quran and the Sunnah is the source of knowledge of scholars in the first place.
One should not intepret it as how anybody desires, Islam fundamentally has already been explained clearly, and we have authentic sources for it.

Nor is it required for one to be under a particular sheikh, I am not saying you should not listen to them or seek answer's from them, which I advice one should do, but one should not follow blindly without knowing where it comes from.
 
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The statement is correct in essence. A person should have a shaykh he trusts to ask Fiqh questions etc.

But you need to understand what that particular statement means when it is said by the ones that say it, and what it entails by those who use that statement. To them, to have a shaykh means, you give him 'bai'ah', a pledge that enatils you follow everything that say, and not question them even if they tell you to go and sleep someplace, eat something etc. The principle of this saying to them is that the student when he has given Bai'ah to his Shaykh is like 'a dead body in his [the Shaykh's] hands'. Where is this in the Sunnah ? Where does the Quran command us to absoluetly have a shaykh where one has to obey him everything?

Shaykhul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah said:

"It is not upon anyone to ascribe himself to a particular Shaykh and to have walaa‘ with those who follow him, or to have ‘adaa based upon that. Rather, he should have walaa‘ for everyone from the people of eemaan (i.e. he is a Muslim) and is known to have taqwaa (piety and obedience to Allaah and that which He has ordered and prohibited), from the Shaykhs, or from others. No one should be particularised with an increase in walaa’, except if he sees in him greater eemaan and taqwaa. So precedence is given to those whom Allaah and His Messenger have given them to. Allaah the Exalted said:

"O Mankind! Indeed we created you from a man and a woman and made you into tribes and nations so that you may know one another. Indeed the most noble of you with Allaah are those that have the most taqwaa (piety)" [Sooratul Hujuraat 49:13]
Majmoo‘ul Fataawaa (11/512).​

"Indeed the people of the Sunnah do not follow anyone (unconditionally) other than the Messenger of Allaah who does not speak from desires, rather it is nothing less than Revelation sent down to him. So it is obligatory to affirm all that he informs, and to obey all that he commands. This status is not given to anyone else from this Ummah. Rather, everyone's statement can be taken or left except for that of the Messenger of Allaah. So whoever sets up an individual other than the Messenger of Allaah; such that the one who loves and agrees with him is reckoned to be from Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa‘ah, and the one who differs with him is reckoned to be from the people of innovations and sectarianism - as happens with those groups who follow certain Imaams of kalaam (rhetorical speech) - then the person doing so is from the people of innovation, deviation and sectarianism."
Majmoo‘ul Fataawaa (3/346-347).

"Indeed many - from the people who say such things - follow their desires in this, in order to elevate their egos, or to gain leadership, or whatever is connected to it. Their intention is not to make the Word of Allaah uppermost, nor is it to make the Religion purely for Allaah. Indeed they have hatred for those who oppose them, even if it is a mujtahid (a scholar striving his utmost to arrive at the truth) who is excused and whom Allaah is not angry with. Likewise, they are pleased with those who agree with them - even if it is an ignorant person with evil intentions - who neither has any knowledge or good intent. This leads them to praise those who Allaah and His Messenger have not praise and to censure those whom Allaah and His Messenger have not censured. It also causes them to have walaa’ (love and allegiance) and ‘adaa (enmity and hatred) based upon their own self-desires and not upon the Religion of Allaah and His Messenger ... So whoever does this will only bring about fitan (trials and tribulations) between the people."
Minhaajus-Sunnatin Nabawiyyah (5/225).
 
Walaikum Salam

Yep. I was reading an article from a Qur'an only submitters website claiming music and singing are halal and trying to use the Qur'an to justify it. They accuse the Hadith believing Muslims of almost disrecpecting the message of Muhammad PBUH and claim Muhammad PBUH followed the Qur'an only. It was compelling, and wots confusing is other scholars say music and singing are haram, the hadith embracing scholars.

Of course Muhammad (pbuh) followed the Qur'an only. The Hadith is essentialy the examples of how he followed the Qur'an. Which is why we are to follow the hadeeth. It is our guide as to how to obey the Qur'an, not a seperate set of rules.

That is only my opinion as to what the Ahadeeth are and why we should obey them. If I am in error astragfirullah
 
Of course Muhammad (pbuh) followed the Qur'an only. The Hadith is essentialy the examples of how he followed the Qur'an. Which is why we are to follow the hadeeth. It is our guide as to how to obey the Qur'an, not a seperate set of rules.

That is only my opinion as to what the Ahadeeth are and why we should obey them. If I am in error astragfirullah

Salam

Yep but the divisions can get confusing, here is the article, read and give your views Insha'Allah:

PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE MATERIAL FROM ANTI-HADITH SITES.
 
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The sincere Muslim who is following the Quran will not find in the Quran ANY PROHIBITION whatsoever OF MUSIC OR SINGING.

Subhanallah! So now Imam Ahmed, Imam Shafa'i, Imam Malik, Imam Abu Hanifa and Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah are all insincere Muslims are they?! They ALL said music was haram!! So now this guy here thinks he knows more than them?

Qoute removed because it was anti-hadith

OMG!! :X What about the signs of judgement day huh?! Arent they 'predicting the future'. Astagfurillah! The prophet got his knowlegde from Allah swt!!

This person has no idea what he is talking about, please remove this article from your post while I find you a more credible one.
 
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Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The view of the four Imaams is that all kinds of musical instruments are haraam. It was reported in Saheeh al-Bukhaari and elsewhere that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said that there would be among his ummah those who would allow zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments, and he said that they would be transformed into monkeys and pigs… None of the followers of the imaams mentioned any dispute concerning the matter of music. (al-Majmoo’, 11/576).

http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=5000&ln=eng&txt=

Inshaallah read the rest of the article (follow the link) and any uncertainty you have will be gone.
 

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