Hello people

[Wolodyjowski]

You were the person that said that Saudi Arabia is the most pure Islamic country in the world. Which, as I just said, is not true. Somalia under the Islamic Courts was probably one of the most pure Muslim countries in the world. Unfortunately Ethiopia doesn't like bordering on a Sharia law country much, so they made up some trash about al-Queida living there and invaded the whole place.

Yes i know well islamic law in taliban Somalia, fro example for stealing the penalty was cutting hands, for adultery the pennalty was stoning.Indeed moderate and justice rights.
By the way, those are saudic princess ( i dont say that all princess, but many of them) that fueled Al Queda with millions of dollars.

 

[aamirsaab]

By the way, those are saudic princess ( i dont say that all princess, but many of them) that fueled Al Queda with millions of dollars.

The fact that there are princesses in saudi quite clearly indicates that saudi is not implimenting islamic law since there is no monarchy under sharia law.

 

[Skywalker]

And tell me Skywalker who are you to tell what is the correct islam? Tell me are you any islamic scholar who learned about islam for half of his life?
How old are you actually? Why should i believe you and not saudic scholars who learned about islam dozens of years? It sounds funny when you criticize the purest islamic country for not following islam directly.

Shows how little you know about Saudi Arabia.

;D

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Lol, what a backfired post, indeed. No Muslim country is purely Islamic.

 

[Wolodyjowski]

Lol, what a backfired post, indeed. No Muslim country is purely Islamic.

And what about Afghanistan under taliban rule? What about Sudan where sharia law was introduced?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

It was introduced, doesnt mean it was correctly implemented. Many here have said they did not allow girls and woman to recieve education. In Islam, education is a must, a duty upon every Muslim. Including females.

No Muslim country is purely Islamic.

 

[Woodrow]

Tayyaba now i think that you should read more books about european history.Please listen to me now ok. Muslim immigration began in Europe in the 60's of XX century so how would you want to see very old muslim communities in Europe while there are maybe 2 or maximum 3 generations of muslims in Europe.
Second thinks, you said copts, and havent you heard about persecution of copts in Egypt? Havent you heard about the events in Alexandria? Where muslims attacked christians in a churche. Actually i think that muslim women should wear what they want. But please Tayyaba put those things in perspective. How can you compare banning a veil in Europe with putting people to jail in Saudi Arabia only because of owning a Bible? Just think about it honestly please.

Muslims were in Much of the Baltics and eastern Europe prior to 1400. Your ancestors invited my Ancestors into Lithuania and Poland to defend you from the Christian crusaders. What began happening to the Lipkas in the 1800s? Why is it that us lipkas are having a difficult time in returning to Poland?

Have you seen any of the old Mosques in Poland? Has Poland totaly wiped out it's Islamic history?

The tartars were not from freely practicing and teaching their religion. In the areas where they lived, mosques can be found the oldest of which are in the Bohoniki and Kruszyniany villages. A new mosque has been built in Gdansk, and in Warsaw and Bilystok there are prayer houses.

Tartars constitute the most numerous and consolidated group of Polish Muslims with a tradition of a few hundred years. Tartars is the name of one of the Turkish-Mongol tribe. They were given the name tartars by the Slavs whom they attacked during the 13th century A.D. The Lithuanian kings granted the tartar refugees, who escaped the persecution of one of Genghis Khan's descendants, lands on which they settled.

The tartar population grew and prospered. They started to live in and around the major political and economic centers in Poland. The tartars living in Poland today are the descendants of those who arrived there in the second half of the 17th century and were under the protection of the Polish King Jan the Third.
The tartars who lived in urban areas worked mainly in trade and leather tanning. Some of them were part of the landed gentry and the nobility. They showed great bravery in the wars fought by Poland with other countries until the end of the 18th century when the Polish Empire disintegrated.

After Poland gained its independence - in which the tartars played a major role - from Germany, Russia, and Austria, they participated in establishing several cultural and social societies. Books and magazines were published in the tartar language.
In 1935, the tartar knight legion was established as part of the Polish army. They were led by the Imam of Warsaw. During the Second World War, the tartar Muslims, like all other Polish people, took part in the fight against Germany and the former Soviet Union. Many Muslims went to Warsaw to escapee religious persecution in Russia.

Source: http://www.planetaislam.com/poland/muslimsinpoland.html


This is prejudice of Muslims that goes back to the End of WW2? Prior to WW2 we lived in peace with the Lithuanians, Poles, Letish and Estonians. Today we are regaining acceptance in Lithuanian, but Poland has closed ears and hearts to us.

 

[Woodrow]

I guess if you believe Muslims have only been in Europe since the 1960s you have never been in Warsaw and walked down Tatarska Street, close to Powązkowski cemetery. Warsaw is not a new city Tatarska Street was named in honor of my Tatar Ancestors. There are also a number of old Islamic Cemetaries in Poland. Sadly most were destroyed by the Germans during WW2 as they became battlefields.

The Tatar Muslim cemeteries, known as mizary, are interesting Polish tourist attractions. This small ethnic group of about 5,000 people, brought to Poland in the 16th century by the Golden Horde, still live near the eastern borders of Poland, in Podlasie province and the area around Białystok. Smaller Muslim communities can be found in the Tricity area of Gdańsk, Gdynia and Sopot, as well as in Warsaw and Bydgoszcz.

Source: http://www.warsawvoice.pl/archiwum.phtml/13059/

We go back several Hundred years before the 16th century and where a prominant presence in Poland when Poland was still a suburb of Vilnius. Tatars were very strong defenders of Poland during Poland's 1000 year history. Muslims were granted the status of Polish and Lithuanian Royalty and in spite of the power, they never once mistreated a single non-Muslim. All religions were permitted to practice freely and it was only after Christianity became dominate was there religious persecution. Primarily against the Muslims, Jews and native pagans. Yet Tatars remained staunch defenders of Poland fighting against would be invaders for nearly 1000 years. Then after WW2 we fall into the category of second class unwanted citizens.

Your bigotry against Muslims is also bigotry against your own Polish ancestory. Islam is a major part of Polish history. It is not by accident that the Baboushka looks like a hijab and the traditional dress of Polish women looks very much like a Burka.

 

[Skywalker]

We had a Polish family living next to us in Canada. They were very nice.

 

[Woodrow]

We had a Polish family living next to us in Canada. They were very nice.

The majority of Polish people are very nice and very tolerant. But, like in all groups there are people who lack understanding and tolerance. It is all a matter of personal choice and each of us is responsible for our own choices.

 

[Samira_01]

Welcome

 

[Wolodyjowski]

Im back. Your editor benned me because he didnt agree with my point of view.How democratic it is.But i guess some people dont understand the idea of freedom of speech.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Dude if u wanted to come back, bad start i must say. thats the prob wit democracy, too much crap spilling out.

 

[Skywalker]

Did his account just get disabled again?

 

[vpb]

seems like some people come here with the intention of creating hot debates and constantly putting fuel on its fire and not with the intention of learning.