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Hello, I am a ex-Christian, now I am a Taoist, I am here to learn about Islam. I do not come to debate religion, I come to learn. Debating gets no one nowhere, if you ask me.
 
Welcome to the forum,that is great that you are interested to learn and not debate causing inflamming with members.

May I reccomend you to visit the following sections so you can full your brain capacity with the knowledge you need.
•Discover Islam
•New muslims
•And Comparative religion to confirm or erase doubts.

If you need help let me know and I will drop you a PM inshAllah.
 
I have some questions, to anyone able to answer:

1. When can I put things in a Signature?
2. Will I ever be allowed to put a Avatar from my PC onto my Avatar Choice?
3. When do I become a Member instead of a Limited Member?

Thanks to Answers, if any come this way.
 
1 and 3 are after 50 posts,avatar I do not know,maybe choose a custom one and check.
 
Welcome clover,hope u have a beneficial stay here!:)
 
Welcome to LI, Clover. :welcome:

I gather the word in the 'Way of Life section' is spelled wrong. It says 'Toaist'. Perhaps that can be corrected ...
 
Clover said:
Hello, I am a ex-Christian, now I am a Taoist, I am here to learn about Islam. I do not come to debate religion, I come to learn. Debating gets no one nowhere, if you ask me.
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Why hello there to you too :D Hope you enjoy your stay here at LI as much as I do.
 
Welcome Clover! It's nice to have a Taoist here, hope you can learn a bit about Islam, and perhaps teach us a bit about Taoism as well inshaAllah (God willing)! :)
 
crayon said:
Welcome Clover! It's nice to have a Taoist here, hope you can learn a bit about Islam, and perhaps teach us a bit about Taoism as well inshaAllah (God willing)! :)
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hehe, I am a student of Taoism, not a teacher, but students can converse among themselves to teach each other. The basics can be found in the Tao Te Ching, but if you have any questions, pm me, and I will do my best to help you.

Sayf Udeen said:
Hello Clover.

What is Taoism? :)

In a nutshell.
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hehe, funny question, in the beginning of the Tao Te Ching, it tells us straight forward "The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao" basically, I can tell you all I know about Taoism, and it never be all of it, no matter how much I tell you. Here is somewhat of my knowledge of it:

Tao is everything, and is nothing. It is the void, and it is the non-void. Tao is a car, Tao is the gas, Tao is the driver, Tao is the fan. In Tao, just like many other eastern philosophies, has Chi (Zen, Soul Power, Inner Strength) that can be channeled, and grown, through martial arts, meditation, and other forms.

If you want to know anymore, pm me, I'll do my best.

glo said:
Welcome to LI, Clover. :welcome:

I gather the word in the 'Way of Life section' is spelled wrong. It says 'Toaist'. Perhaps that can be corrected ...
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I have always spelled it like that, I do many things incorrectly due to repitition. I think, if we really wanted to get technical, it could be called Daoist, and the pronunciation of it has so many different ways. I was talking to a friend of mine who is Chinese, and he pronounced it, "Taoooism" with it sounding a lot like Towism, which I liked the prounciation better then my normal "taoism" lol.

Sorry for my mistake, thank you for pointing it out, I make that mistake sometimes.
 
I've read the Tao of Pooh, but I'm not sure how accurate a representation of Taoism that gives.. It was a while ago so I don't recall much, but I do remember it being interesting.
 
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I've read the Tao of Pooh, but I'm not sure how accurate a representation of Taoism that gives.. It was a while ago so I don't recall much, but I do remember it being interesting.
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I have heard its a great book, and their are others, I believe their is one on Piglet, I hope I can read it soon.
 
Hello there
Welcome to LI... May u benefit from this site.. Hope u learn a lot in here :)
 
Hi, welcome to the forum
I respect your wish not to debate, but rather simply to seek knowledge, and consider it an honourable motive. I have some questions for you, and while they might seem as if attempting to instigating a debate, please consider them as merely seeking knowledge, and not seeking debate.

1) According to Tao Te Ching:
To conduct one's life according to the Tao,
is to conduct one's life without regrets;
to realize that potential within oneself
which is of benefit to all.​
Regarding the part about no regrets, it seems you can interpret that in two (perhaps even more) ways. Either as a don't feel bad about what you've done, or don't do anything which you'll end up feeling bad for. The second part of the sentence, benefit for all, suggest the second interpretation is most probable. Is my deduction correct?

2) You wrote in your personal profile that you are considering enlisting in the US army. Can I deduce from that that you truly believe enlisting in the US army would "benefit all" including Iraqi and Afghan people which you might get send to? I mean the presence and actions of the US in those places has been so far highly controversial. I'm just curious how you see those things. Also from Tao Te Ching:
When leading by the way of the Tao,
abominate the use of force,
for it causes resistance, and loss of strength,
showing the Tao has not been followed well.
Achieve results but not through violence,
for it is against the natural way,
and damages both others' and one's own true self.
The harvest is destroyed in the wake of a great war,
and weeds grow in the fields in the wake of the army.​
And:
Weapons of war are instruments of fear,
and are not favoured by the wise,
who use them only when there is no choice,
for peace and stillness are dear to their hearts,
and victory causes them no rejoicing.​

3)again according to Tao Te Ching
Nature acts without intent,
so cannot be described
as acting with benevolence,
nor malevolence to any thing.
In this respect, the Tao is just the same,
though in reality it should be said
that nature follows the rule of Tao.
Therefore, even when he seems to act
in manner kind or benevolent,
the sage is not acting with such intent,
for in conscious matters such as these,
he is amoral and indifferent.​
So we should act spontaneous on our nature while disregarding our sense of morality? How can you reach "that potential within oneself which is of benefit to all" like that? Isn't in our nature both the potential for evil as for good? Don't we need morality to choose which potential to follow, which part of our nature to indulge to?

4)Again from Tao Te Ching:
Through sight, the colours may be seen,
but too much colour blinds us.
Apprehending the tones of sound,
too much sound might make us deaf,
and too much flavour deadens taste.
When hunting for sport, and chasing for pleasure,
the mind easily becomes perplexed.
He who collects treasures for himself
more easily becomes anxious.
The wise person fulfills his needs,
rather than sensory temptations.​
How can we tell the difference of our needs and our sensory temptations if we ignore our sense of morality?
 
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