I am not from a Muslim family, raised by atheists, found God the hard way..How about you, Scimitar? Did you grow and smoke weed as a Muslim from a Muslim family or did you convert after being a stoner?
What Muslim nations?
Afghanistan? Pakistan? Those two failed nations? Where else? Egypt? Another failed nation? Where else ???? please do tell me.
As for your Muslim friends telling you its ok to smoke it - duh - idiot - if they smoke it so of course they will say its ok.
I really wanted to say predominantly Muslim nations but couldn't edit my posts..I have smoked with Muslims in Morocco, Egypt, India/Kashmir, Thailand (on a predominantly Muslim island)..Not all the Muslims i knew were smokers, but cant recall one problem (other than with police) where it was a problem, they ALL said it was between the person smoking it and God, some said it wasnt Haram others said it was but had no problem with me or their friends smoking it..But i am sure there are many that would..Funnily enough the guy who introduced me to Islam said it was Haram , but was an ex stoner but lived among stoners, though he was one of the purist people i ever met..
I have met and know many a traveler who visited Afghanistan and Pakistan in the 60S possibly early 70s seemed like very warm, tolerant hospitable people as one would expect from a Muslim Nation..They do sound like failed states now.. What went wrong?
So what is a true Muslim Nation in your world?
Is this what drugs are doing to your brain? making it push putty? You don't even know what you are talking about now.
Oh you done it now.
Cannabis cures nothing.
Find me a cannabis which cures any disease - you cannot.
Go on.
I bring to my table - nigella sativa, (the black seed from hadeeth) the oil of which is beneficial and so are the seeds - studies have shown that of the 200 or so compound elements present within Nigella Sativa - only around 48 are known to the scientific and medical establishments and all are beneficial to humans, in many diverse ways - as cures, not treatments - CURES to diseases.
The other 150 odd compound elements they found present within Nigella Sativa remain unnamed but all tested positively on human beings and further studies are underway in many medical universities where research like this goes on.
Let's contrast to Cannabis... which form are you talking of? Indica? Sativa? Ruderalis? Hybrid GMO?
To put this into perspective for your brain to digest - none of these are actually medicinal. They do not CURE any illness - they provide pain relief, and the proper method for pain relief via cannabis is through ingestion. Not smoking it.
And even then, the results are hit n miss.
Ever seen a pain sufferer on cannabis? They are stoned and cannot actually function normally - such as drive a car. As that would be illegal.
Cannabis provides no cure to any disease so your argument is false.
I know all about cannabis. Astagfirullah - I grew it for many years and grew the best this country has seen, even got noticed by Arjan and Franco from GHsCO in Amsterdam back in my hey day for it, mety Jorge Cervantes, the man who made skunk a think in the 70's - heck I attended cannabis cups in spain and in the dam - and to top it all off - I used to write for weed world and used to be a moderator for ICMAG forum.
Once again - cannabis cures NOTHING.
Scimi
EDIT: Rick Simpson lied about RSO.
Nigella sativa, Is that other wise known as Cummin? If so I am well aware of it, i have been using herbal medicine and cooking with herbs for health benefits for a long long time..We are blessed to have Irelands top herbalist down the road, a trained practicing doctor that didnt like the practices and effects of modern medicine and went to India to study Ayurvedic Medicine, when asked he told me Cannabis(i assume Indica) is the most mentioned plant in the ancient texts..Our children have never met their doctors..thank God.
I never did state that Cannabis cures anything, but to make out it has no medicinal, health or therapeutic benefit other than a pain killer is just plain wrong, and i am sure you know it?
Only really in the last decade have impartial scientific studies been allowed to be conducted, the results are stunning..
Have you taken note of the recent studies?
Have you read about the endo-cannabanoid system, how it works? How so is Cannabis toxic, seems the opposite to a toxin, no?
Since you have quit weed have you kept up on the scientific discoveries?
I have seen people with serious illness live relatively normal happy lives and they smoke it which doesnt give the medicinal effect, there are more and more cases every day as the benefits become known, i actually know people that tried Rick Simpsons oil , though they were not cured they far out lived what the doctors said they would..I am reading about cases like this for all kinds of illness every day..
You say they are relieved from the pain but cant function, thats incorrect from my observations and most reports i have read..
You mention driving when stoned, there is zero evidence it impairs driving abilities, nor coordination, balance and basic judgement of speed distance and such..
I drive or have driven when i was a stoner well over average kind of mileage, high speed motorcycles, large trucks, cars..on road off road in lots of places where many people dare not drive, and if was to drive round say Cairo or any major city or crazy mountain pass again i would have a smoke again first..Also have a few circus skills, been experimenting stoned and not stoned, pretty much the same , learning new tricks can actually help when stoned..Passed all my driving tests first time stoned too..
Have been stoned for months perhaps years then suddenly go without and my driving isnt impaired..One morning without my caffeine hit and i am dangerous on the roads all my judgement of speed, distance, concentration and coordination is faulty, that is a subtle and nasty addiction, and when one needs to take an energy boost to wake up after sleep and think its ok and normal , they need their heads looking at, imho..
Smoking alone without most other drugs most stoners take does not in my case make me loose my abilities to function or is detrimental to my health, nor am i addicted..
You mention tar from smoke, in my work and daily life with all the toxic particles in the air we cant see , the ones out bodies cant break down, a layer or organic tar protecting the tender tissue if our lungs might actually be good, i have read qualified experts discussing this..The oldest people to live in my family and oldest people i have known were smokers, the second oldest living human was a smoker of dope..
But of course its probably best not to avoid smoke in the lungs whether its organic or smoke from an exhaust pipe, chimney or fire..And smoking weed isnt the best way to reap it health benefits..
Then there is the spiritual side, Cannabis has a very very long history of been used in spirituality and religious ceremonies, in my experience if treated with certain respect it can bring an unbeleiver closer to god but at the same time if abused can let in those demons and block any contact with God, in a similar way meditation can imho..Its all about intent..and to be clear i am not meaning to promote recreational use of Cannabis , i sincerely believe constant use shuts down that connection to God and does close the mind over time, but as some one that uses it on occasions with respect i struggle to find anything sinful..Most my affirmations that attracted me to studying Islam and your prayer were when i was stoned, and they were moments i will never forget nor can anyone explain.
I never did state Cannabis is a cure for anything, all i want is for some one to actually discuss the points i raised...I have read Muslims debate on so called truther forums for years and always admired how they keep their cool, no matter how many lies and insults hurled at them they never resorted to name calling and slander,
I am curious why/how you went from dedicated weed head to dedicated Muslim?
I would like to discuss how the medical profession has been hijacked by big pharmaceutical industries for profit and how there is a very possible conflict of interests where if they give us drugs that make us ill they will have more profit, and how the war on drugs is in effect a war on humanity to bolster their monopolies, and how the Quran warns against such monopolies and greed, where it says God has given us a natural remedies for every ailment, where it says God wants us to be happy, where it says not to ban good things in the same context of advising against intoxicants among other issues like how is haram treated in Islam, is the general consensus that sins against the self are between God and the self, who are this hierarchy that can dictate what is good and haram? are they not acting as partners to Allaha, must Muslims listen to scholars above what God says by listening to our hearts and open minds and seeking guidance through prayer?
Then there is the whole Canabosem story and the repeated mention of the oil in the scriptures, and the tree of life theory?
There are a load of lets say un orthodox subjects i would like to discuss here.
