Hey atheist/agnostic, howd u explain this?

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IF U GET SCARED QUICKLY DON'T WATCH THIS!

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I always wondered how people with the lack of understanding(or believing should i rather say) anything spiritual would react to this.

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=V5C-VZN-lZQ&feature=related[/media]

Ok this is a video about an islamic exorcism, please take the time watchin it as it well worth it. Please don't say things as its 'fake', because I have witnessed one done to my own aunty, and in that state she said/done things that are very very very anti islamic! While she is mashAllah a very practising women.
 
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I'd just like to point out that being atheist/agnostic does not necessarily involve a "lack of understanding anything spiritual" !

I certainly don't believe it's 'fake' in that the guy concerned is somehow acting in some way. Exorcisms of some sort, often very similar to this, are found in most religions in some form or other, so there must be something in it. Whether that is purely psychological or really involves spirit beings of some kind I don't know.
 
well said trumble,
however without more info on this case i cant really make a conclusion, however based on other cases of "exorcisem" i would say it could be several things.
play acting (similar to hypnotism), throwing a fit and thats what they are expected to do, insantiy, ect...
 
ok watched the video, didnt see anything special. Just some guy either acting (most likely acting how he thinks he should, why take responciblity for your past when you can blame it on a devil)
 
ranma1/2 said:
ok watched the video, didnt see anything special. Just some guy either acting (most likely acting how he thinks he should, why take responciblity for your past when you can blame it on a devil)
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Ay man, this guy is not actin i can assure u that. After I have eyewitnessed it to my own family member!

Look at the way he moves! Very strange indeed....
 
I'd explain it that the chap in question needs some urgent treatment in a mental hospital and some antipsychotics down his neck, not being stuck up on you-tube with religious people trying to exorcise his "demons"
 
Hamada said:
Yep i have looked into her story thanks, a bizzare one to:exhausted
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Yes those are things that atheists/agnostics cant answer. those are things showing that life is continuing battle between good and evil.
 
Aaron85 said:
Yes those are things that atheists/agnostics cant answer. those are things showing that life is continuing battle between good and evil.
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I did a quick wiki and googles on Anneliese Michel. Theres no note of any unexplained phenomena. Today that would be a open and shut case of Epilepsy and schizophrenia going untreated.

i'm not against the idea of posession, but I think to have a clear cut case you need stuff like green skin and yellow eyes and hovering off the ground....
 
A group of 29 Christians in Russia, until like a fortnight ago, truly believed doomsday was near and acted accordingly-hid in a cave. (To be fair there was four children with them, so maybe it's wrong to imply all of them believed that the world will end soon, but I think it's a fair to assume at least a substantial did).

I use that to illustrate this: With near constant reaffirmation to yourself, you can make yourself believe practically anything (within reason of course). This isn’t too dissimilar to the placebo effect.

Cocaine users sometimes truly believe they see bugs crawling under their skin. I know, I know-they are on drugs-hardly reliable! However it does show how bewilderingly misleading and strange (at least it seems that way to us) the human brain can be. It’s easy to resort to outlandish claims of the super-natural when science can’t explicitly explain something. Science can’t literally “show” love, but that’s real isn’t it?

I’m not too familiar with theology so I don’t know whether this next question will seem silly-but how come the devil never possesses people who don’t have religious conviction?
 
DRAT!
i was watching that christian group, i really really wanted to follow what they had been up to!

Have you any links, I couldnt find any last time i searched.


Edit. Found some stuff!
Father Pyotr the leader who was in a psychiatric hospital had a divine vision saying they could all come out.
They handed over their klacks and got taken away in a bus.
Two died in there, cancer and something else unknown.
Pytor had been in the prophet buissness for quite a while. He attempted suicide after the doomsday passed by putting his head on a plank and hitting it with another plank.

I think his particular religion looks pretty darned shakey at the moment.
 
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there there said:
. It’s easy to resort to outlandish claims of the super-natural when science can’t explicitly explain something. Science can’t literally “show” love, but that’s real isn’t it?

I’m not too familiar with theology so I don’t know whether this next question will seem silly-but how come the devil never possesses people who don’t have religious conviction?
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There was a guy on TV a few years back saying that Spiders the size of Sofas had been sent by Allah to defend Kandahar. He said they had been seen by many people and filmed for TV.

Regardless Kandahar fell in hours and no spiders were found. This guy was totally dedicated to the idea though.
 
barney said:
DRAT!
i was watching that christian group, i really really wanted to follow what they had been up to!

Have you any links, I couldnt find any last time i searched.
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Just google phrases in the vein of "Russian cult" "Doomsday cult in cave" "Suicide with log" etc and you'll find articles.
I followed the story with actual newspapers so I don't have links, sorry. :[
 
im glad that for the most part in most modern society they try to get the proper care that people need rather than drilling holes in heads or exorcism.

Id like to see these possesions occur with a scientists.
Come on Posses Dawkins, i dare any demon, spirit, jinn ect... to do that.
 
Proff Hitchins is possessed by Jack Daniels finest malt sippin' whisky and Rothmans kingsize!
 
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Allahumma inni audhu bika minal khubsi wa al khabaa isi
I seek refuge in Allaah from Male and Female Jinns
 
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