Hezbollah declares Open War on Israel

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With a fighter jet and a missile you can chose the exact location, that is impossible with a rocket launched from one country to another.

Really, when was the last time you were in a fighter jet launching missles to their exact location? You speak in ignorance, there is always a margin of error

In the same way that you might see me as a deluded, sad and sick human being, I see you as deluded, sad and sick betrayer who is defending the same people who have robbed, tortured and killed muslims and yet refuse to give back what they stole or even apologize for what they have already done.
I betray no one, I dont care for Israel or about Israel or what happens to them, as someone else said, it is not my job to insure its survival. The land that these people live on is their land now, most have been their since they were born, most of the original settlers are dead. The settlers who continue to establish outside their borders are wrong and should stop, but how is a peace deal to be reached when a groups says "We wont stop until you are either a) all dead or b) leave all the land? I am simply a realist, when will enough be enough for you?

Also, please point out where I defended Israel, calling me a betrayer is a pretty serious accusation and I would like to know the grounds on which you base it.. good luck with that
please.. dont pray for me, your the one who needs to be prayed for, but I'm not going to be the one wasting a prayer for you..
I dont ask for your prayers, although any is gladly accepted and appreciated... I will still pray for you brother.
 
ha..! When speaking about Hezbollah deaths you take the western estimation instead of the number granted to you by Hezbollah, but when speaking about the israeli deaths you take the number granted to you by the israelis themselves. you must be israeli eh..??

I take the UN estimation of both, since Israel has a formal army and a head count for each soldier, yes I assume their estimation is correct... When Lebanese officials, UN officials and others on the ground conclude that between 500-600 fighters are dead, yeah I go with theirs because how would hezbollah know anyways?

also I find curious that you would rather dwell on my estimates rather than the real questions that were purposed in that post, you may find more answers in those questions than you will in the death counts
 
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ha..! When speaking about Hezbollah deaths you take the western estimation instead of the number granted to you by Hezbollah, but when speaking about the israeli deaths you take the number granted to you by the israelis themselves. you must be israeli eh..??

there are no winners in the middle east. and it is not the israelis that suffer the most. how many palestinians are murdered by israel for each israeli? how many houses demolished or bombed for every damaged apartment building in israel?
 
Really, when was the last time you were in a fighter jet launching missles to their exact location? You speak in ignorance, there is always a margin of error.

A basic understanding in warfare is what I have and from there I know that firing a missele from a fighter jet should be quite simple, I'm not saying that flying a jet is easy but only that firing a missile from it should be quite simple and easy, being that todays missiles are all extremly accurate. Even if the missil happends to be 50 years old and therefor isnt accurate, you are still chosing what neighborhood to bomb so it doesnt really matter. But with a rocket (the Hezbollah katyusha's) you cant even chose the neighborhood, you can only chose the city (be it a large city).

The land that these people live on is their land now, most have been their since they were born, most of the original settlers are dead. The settlers who continue to establish outside their borders are wrong and should stop, but how is a peace deal to be reached when a groups says "We wont stop until you are either a) all dead or b) leave all the land? I am simply a realist, when will enough be enough for you?

We want peace, we just dont want to achieve peace in the wrong way, and the wrong way would be to recognize "Israel" and accept and understand what they have done , the wrong way would be to surrender and live in peace with them after what they have done to us. Recognizing "Israel", accepting and understanding what they have done, surrendering and living in peace with them is all called betrayel, which is why I say you are a betrayer.
History cannot be changed, the way they treated the palesitnians and lebanese will not change, they have not even apologized for what they have done to the muslims, so how on earth can you live in peace with them? Instead they stealing palestinian homes every day and you want us to live in peace with them?

Where are the borders? Today the border is here, tomorrow its there, they keep taking, and you keep saying that taking new lands is wrong but what about the lands they are planing to take and that will be theirs tomorrow? Is that land also theirs? If it is then I give up on you, and if it isnt then why do you recognize the land they they took years ago as theirs?
Your saying that it is alright to fight for a land that the israelis stole recently but that what they stole years ago should not be fought for but instead forgotten, which is completely ridiculous and stupid of you to say!!!!

Also, please point out where I defended Israel, calling me a betrayer is a pretty serious accusation and I would like to know the grounds on which you base it.. good luck with that

I dont ask for your prayers, although any is gladly accepted and appreciated... I will still pray for you brother.

The fact that you want muslims to live in peace with the same people who have bulldozed thousands of muslims homes, killed thousands, tortured thousands, ruined the lives of millions, and stolen a whole muslim nation, makes you a betrayer.
 
there are no winners in the middle east. and it is not the israelis that suffer the most. how many palestinians are murdered by israel for each israeli? how many houses demolished or bombed for every damaged apartment building in israel?

I'm aware of that, but your point is? "Israel" is in fact losing as time goes on and america is waking up!
 
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Israel is one of the most succesful countries in the world. The most successful, considering that it was formed 60 years ago in a desert lacking natural resources.
 
Israel is one of the most succesful countries in the world. The most successful, considering that it was formed 60 years ago in a desert lacking natural resources.

wonder what israel would look like if it hadn't received massive aid (largely from u.s.)?
 
I think palestiane and lebanon should strenghthen their militry defenses against the troubles that israel is causing.

this is a quote by malcom x

"I read once, passingly, about a man named Shakespeare. I only read about him passingly, but I remember one thing he wrote that kind of moved me. He put it in the mouth of Hamlet, I think, it was, who said, "To be or not to be." He was in doubt about something. Whether it was nobler in the mind of man to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, moderation, or to take up arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing end them. And I go for that. If you take up arms, you'll end it, but if you sit around and wait for the one who's in power to make up his mind that he should end it, you'll be waiting a long time. And in my opinion, the young generation of whites, blacks, browns, whatever else there is, you're living at a time of extremism, a time of revolution, a time when there's got to be a change. People in power have misused it and now there has to be a change and a better world has to be built and the only way it's going to be built is with extreme methods. And I, for one, will join in with anyone, I don't care what color you are, as long as you want to change this miserable condition that exists on this earth"
 
wonder what israel would look like if it hadn't received massive aid (largely from u.s.)?
Dunno. the point is that Israel didn't get the US aid just like that, the Jews and their lobbyists had to work hard to earn it and are working hard to sustain it.
Of course, there's a lot of "luck" to it, namely the Allies doing nothing about the holocaust and feeling bad afterwards and of course the evangelicals.
 
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OK lets say they are freaked out, how do you think the Lebanese will react when Israel says they are going to launch another military campaign in their area... Last time they were evacuating, many couldnt escape and died, will that happen in Israel? Who is going to suffer more because of a conflict between Israel and Hezbollah? I will give you a hint, NOT ISRAEL, I hope that was good enough of a hint.
Well from the looks of it, the amount of people who went to the funeral and the general atmosphere of the allies of Hizba’Allah they seem to be ready for such a war. You have to remember that “Israel” does something to the Lebanese everyday, about two weeks ago they killed two people near the border. It is an on going struggle and it is the nature of Israelis to make wars. We can’t back down and not defend ourselves, if we don’t nothing will be left.

And if I recall well, about a million Israelis lived in bunkers for 34 days and they suffered also.

What do you suggest the Lebanese should do?

I don’t agree on those numbers but it is a war of course people died. Each day people in Palestine die and I don’t see the world getting angry about that.

The grand prize is to get rid of that blood sucking entity killing our ummah. We die each day for nothing at least die for something, for future generations because mind you Israelis will never change.
 
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Dunno. the point is that Israel didn't get the US aid just like that, the Jews and their lobbyists had to work hard to earn it and are working hard to sustain it.
Of course, there's a lot of "luck" to it, namely the Allies doing nothing about the holocaust and feeling bad afterwards and of course the evangelicals.

They havent done anything! They have bin given and given all the time, the only thing that they are good at is stealing.

America had a opputunity to create a state inside of the enemy territory so they did! The israelis are given billion dollar aids to build up and run their country, they are not earning it!
 
A basic understanding in warfare is what I have and from there I know that firing a missele from a fighter jet should be quite simple, I'm not saying that flying a jet is easy but only that firing a missile from it should be quite simple and easy, being that todays missiles are all extremly accurate. Even if the missil happends to be 50 years old and therefor isnt accurate, you are still chosing what neighborhood to bomb so it doesnt really matter. But with a rocket (the Hezbollah katyusha's) you cant even chose the neighborhood, you can only chose the city (be it a large city).
so to you launching a rocket not knowing if it will kill a newborn child is ok, because once you shoot the rocket you have no control, whereas it is not ok to launch a rocket into a building not knowing if there is a newborn child in it, but knowing that it will in fact hit that building..... You logic is flawed, neither is right

We want peace, we just dont want to achieve peace in the wrong way, and the wrong way would be to recognize "Israel" and accept and understand what they have done , the wrong way would be to surrender and live in peace with them after what they have done to us. Recognizing "Israel", accepting and understanding what they have done, surrendering and living in peace with them is all called betrayel, which is why I say you are a betrayer.
History cannot be changed, the way they treated the palesitnians and lebanese will not change, they have not even apologized for what they have done to the muslims, so how on earth can you live in peace with them? Instead they stealing palestinian homes every day and you want us to live in peace with them?
My point is this, the Ottoman empire surrendered all that land to the british after WWI, at which point that land became a british mandate, a spoil of war if you wish. The same land was later given to the Jewish as a home, since at this point this was up to the British to decide, and the Ottoman empire signed away this land, I see nothing wrong with it. Land is fought over and won all the time throughout history. It is the way of the world. SO to answer your question, I do not believe the original portion of land given to the Jews should be fought over, it already has been and the fight was won and lost between people, the winner decided to give it to Jews, is that the Jews fault? Now everything they have expanded since then should be given back to the Palestinians and/or the rightful owners. I condemn the Israeli settlements as they are a form of oppression and lack of respect for other human beings. With that said, Hamas launching their ineffective rockets into Israeli territory and Hezbollah attacking Israeli will not accomplish a peace deal to give this land back, it will only further encourage the Israelis to expand more and further erradicate the Palestinian people. Is that what you want? Because that is what is happening today in a very effective way, take a look at the maps.. I do not betray, I simply wish for peace, and that effort starts with the Palestinians, if they completely halted their attacks, and Israel continued to attempt to expand, all international support would no doubt come to a screaming halt and the Palestinians would be treated as refugees and victims rather than backwards terrorist who cannot accept peace.
Where are the borders? Today the border is here, tomorrow its there, they keep taking, and you keep saying that taking new lands is wrong but what about the lands they are planing to take and that will be theirs tomorrow? Is that land also theirs? If it is then I give up on you, and if it isnt then why do you recognize the land they they took years ago as theirs?
Your saying that it is alright to fight for a land that the israelis stole recently but that what they stole years ago should not be fought for but instead forgotten, which is completely ridiculous and stupid of you to say!!!!
I am saying that the original Israeli territory was won fair and square in war, everything since then has been an illegal, unjust theft of other peoples land.
The fact that you want muslims to live in peace with the same people who have bulldozed thousands of muslims homes, killed thousands, tortured thousands, ruined the lives of millions, and stolen a whole muslim nation, makes you a betrayer.
It dosent make me a betrayer at all, how do you expect Israelis to live in peace with the same people who blow themselves up in public places on their soil, or launch unguided rockets into civilian space, or fire erradically across into their country, or whatever other beliefs the Israelis may have about the Palestinians? It is said that al-dajjal will come and have one eye, see things from only one side, try and look at the big picture and stop allowing your heart and mind to be consumed with hate. Ultimately this is not the land that we wish to live in anyways, so who cares about the soil under your feet? Broker a peace deal and everyone will be happier, continued violence only allows for more hatred and more violence.. In other words the situation will only get worse, and if the trend continues on its current course, I am not sure the Israelis would be to unhappy with that.
 
They havent done anything! They have bin given and given all the time, the only thing that they are good at is stealing.

America had a opputunity to create a state inside of the enemy territory so they did! The israelis are given billion dollar aids to build up and run their country, they are not earning it!
Israel receives $3 billion in US foreign aid anually compared to its $70 billion budget.
 
They havent done anything! They have bin given and given all the time, the only thing that they are good at is stealing.

America had a opputunity to create a state inside of the enemy territory so they did! The israelis are given billion dollar aids to build up and run their country, they are not earning it!

Harry Truman supported the creation of Israel, grudgingly, but he did not do it on the grounds of having a "state inside enemy territory". Those countries weren't considered "enemies" at that time, and most of them still aren't.
 
Dunno. the point is that Israel didn't get the US aid just like that, the Jews and their lobbyists had to work hard to earn it and are working hard to sustain it.
Of course, there's a lot of "luck" to it, namely the Allies doing nothing about the holocaust and feeling bad afterwards and of course the evangelicals.

i am not sure if a state that is dependent on foreign aid can be considered "successful".
in a way, i think israel has been a disaster for the jews as well as for the palestinians. :unhappy:
 
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i am not sure if a state that is dependent on foreign aid can be considered "successful".
in a way, i think israel has been a disaster for the jews as well as for its neighbours. :unhappy:

Israel is far from dependant on anyone.
 
Israel is far from dependant on anyone.

this could be a misconception - something that was true, but is no longer. i don't have time to research it. maybe israel has become self-sufficent.
but could the country have gotten to that point without massive foreign aid?
 
this could be a misconception - something that was true, but is no longer. i don't have time to research it. maybe israel has become self-sufficent.
but could the country have gotten to that point without massive foreign aid?

Would Israel be in the same state without past foreign aid? Probably not, but that doesn't equate to Israel failing as a state either. The U.S. was given large amounts of foreign aid after independence as well.
 

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