Hezbollah declares Open War on Israel

[Moon*Light]

The land was theirs and it was occupied. Besides in 1973 war, the way it was going for Egypt there was no need to make peace to get the land back.

 

[ahsan28]

ahsan28 I posted before the link were it shows “Israel” planned the war before hand. Also don’t take words out of context.

Iran and Syria help Hizba’Allah in different ways. Apparently the Hizb didn’t need them it won over “Israel” by itself

If destruction of half a country within 34 days is called as victory, then I also agree with this stance. Winners don't regret after the wars.

 

[Gator]

The land was theirs and it was occupied. Besides in 1973 war, the way it was going for Egypt there was no need to make peace to get the land back.

Yes, now I remember. The Arab armies advanced taking most of Israel including Haifa & Jerusalem and decimating the Israeli army & air force.

But, they just decided to give all the land back and let Israel occupy the Sinai and the Golan Heights. That was really nice of them.

 

[MTAFFI]

I’m not the one saying they are. What other confrontations? No, they were planning a full scale war before anything happened that they were going to do whether the soldiers where took or not. Also Bolton spoke out that the war was preplanned and they aimed to get rid of Hizba’Allah regardless of the soldiers.

What other confrontations? Are you serious? Israel has been engaged in hostilities with different cross border groups in Lebanon for 40 + years, whether it be Hezbollah, the PLO or whoever, there has always been some sort of adversary there. As far as wanting to get rid of Hezbollah, what are you expecting? Hezbollah calls for their destruction more often than Iran, do you think that they should be able to do that and fire rockets on another countries soil without some sort of plan of attack from the other side?

I am not siding with Israel either, I am just trying to see thinks from their point of view..

“Israel” said it failed and was defeated, remember. What was gone is the monster image. Progress? Man, US stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan, “Israel” out of Gaza, losing a war and unable to expand except in the Palestine area you don’t see they as progress?

US isnt really stuck anywhere, should a new president come into power and be a democrat, I have a feeling the US will be out of Iraq rather abruptly.. I will look forward to your response to that move when it happens.

Do you think Israel couldnt take Gaza by force if they wanted to? What is progress to you, having Israel not be able to get two POW's back but absolutely abolish the city they are in? That is progress? Iraq and Afghanistan are in shambles, that is your idea of progress? With that sort of progress the whole M.E. will be a third world country in the next 30 years or so, (take note that Europe and the US and virtually the same or better as they have been for the past 60 + yrs).. Yes great progress there, keep it up it that is your goal.. The game is chess not checkers

Why are you so peeved by my giggling? Hmmm? I see my enemy lost. You have to be realistic to stop this useless argument about oh look at the death happening, well of course there is death. There has been death for 60 years now.

I am not peeved about it, it is more saddening than anything that a fellow Muslim can giggle at any loss of life, no matter how long it has gone on, when will enough be enough? (i already know the answer "when israel ceases to exist")

The Lebanese left? Who in the world do you think fought the Israelis? Their families left and the resistance stayed to fight back.

There families all left, yet there were twice as many civilian casualties... hmmm ^o) what isnt right about that?

What hate, telling you I should not give in to my enemy? Isn’t that part of out religion or have you forgotten?

What is giving in? I think you may take some things out of context if you truly believe that fighting like this and the way the fighting is being gone about is part of our religion... But that is just my opinion.. Peace should always be the first priority

“Israel” was established on the land and houses of the Palestinians and many others. Yes we are the ones defending.

Yes it was, back when it was a British Mandate, and the land was given to the british by the Ottomans to do what they wish.. It is always amusing to me how people can claim to be a realist but yet will continue to side step or ignore this fact. I will put this simple to you, the land was lost in war, it was no longer the Palestinians, if you wish to call them that at the time. It was given to the Jewish as a homeland.. Not to mention nobody kicked the Arabs out, they left on their own free will because of the forthcoming attack from the neighboring countries and because they were angry about not having equal political influence on the land, they Arabs lost again, this time to Israel. Thus initiating this whole stupid conflict. Please take note to this paragraph, go ahead and respond to it entirely I am interested to get someones views on how this is Palestinian land given this particular part history on it.

Well we will see now how long “Israel” will keep up, besides as you said the land was invaded before like for example the Crusaders and they did go no?

I am not sure who Israel is keeping up with, I think their enemies wish to keep up with them. An interesting point with the land being invaded and conquered before. If hamas or hezbollah had any brains they would declare a ceasefire and allow for peace, then once they build their economies, infrastructure and military along with international support, who knows maybe they can declare war and take it back, or perhaps they can invade diplomatically and retake the area by flooding the population with Arab people, thus ultimately resulting in an Arab dominated government..

No no no, i am sorry probably will work better to just keep launching those extremely effective mortar attacks, yes that is the way, progress right?

You mean the governments persecuting their people in Jordan and Egypt sure these governments live in peace *rolls eyes*

how are they being persecuted? Like those persecuted in Iran for publishing negatively about the government? Or those in Saudi Arabia? It seems persecution, violence, and government corruption is a bigger problem in the Middle East than anywhere else doesnt it? Dont blame it on the US either, it isnt like the people there have any problem overthrowing leaders when they want to.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Pro Rebublicans in the USA are very limted. The media is focused on Democrats, Clinton & Obama. The majority will vote for Democrats. Americans are fed-up of what Bushy Wushy had done! - Obama isn't Anti-Isreal, But he's not Pro-Isreal either. That would work wonders I think!

 

[Cognescenti]

Pro Rebublicans in the USA are very limted. The media is focused on Democrats, Clinton & Obama. The majority will vote for Democrats. Americans are fed-up of what Bushy Wushy had done! - Obama isn't Anti-Isreal, But he's not Pro-Isreal either. That would work wonders I think!

I am afraid it is a bit more complicated than that. Most American Jews vote Democratic. Then there is the Congress. Support for Israel in Congress crosses party lines. I would also be interested in seeing you cite specific examples of pro-Israeli actions by the Bush administration. I can think of a few myself but it hardly seems at odds with prior administrations. The stated policy of the US government is for a two state solution in Palestine with a viable, contiguous Palestinian state. That has been the policy of the US at least going back to Oslo.

As for Obama, I have never heard him utter one word vis a vis Israel. In fact, Israel is almost never mentioned in US Presidential elections. A great majority of Americans couldn't really care less about Israel and very few would use a candidate's stance on Israel to decide their vote.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

^^ True. - Bush has an agenda, he's not condemned Israel when the Gaza cut off a month ago. Suspiciously this occured AFTER his visit to Isreal! - I despise dubya, as much as I do Hitler.

The American people are now looking forward to something new. Obama in ALL interviews states the first thing to do is bring back troops and work on stabilty in Iraq/Afghanistan. Dubya has left a lot of mess in his reign as 'President'

Plus Obamas lead recently speaks volumes!

 

[Keltoi]

^^ True. - Bush has an agenda, he's not condemned Israel when the Gaza cut off a month ago. Suspiciously this occured AFTER his visit to Isreal! - I despise dubya, as much as I do Hitler.

The American people are now looking forward to something new. Obama in ALL interviews states the first thing to do is bring back troops and work on stabilty in Iraq/Afghanistan. Dubya has left a lot of mess in his reign as 'President'

Plus Obamas lead recently speaks volumes!

You do know the difference between a primary and a general election right? A primary is Democrats voting for Democrats. Or Republicans voting for Republicans. Obama isn't actually in the lead anyway, Clinton has more primary delegates than he does, and if she wins Texas and Ohio she gets the nomination.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

You do know the difference between a primary and a general election right? A primary is Democrats voting for Democrats. Or Republicans voting for Republicans. Obama isn't actually in the lead anyway, Clinton has more primary delegates than he does, and if she wins Texas and Ohio she gets the nomination.

Either one is better than any republican was my point! - War mongers.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Don't you 'Christians' idolise dubya? It was in a documentary, they percieve him to be some 'Messiah' Evangelicals I think. Is that your perception of 'it' Ketoi?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Either one is better than any republican was my point! - War mongers.

Ron apul, who seems to be quite a chap around here, is a anti-war republican.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Don't you 'Christians' idolise dubya? It was in a documentary, they percieve him to be some 'Messiah' Evangelicals I think. Is that your perception of 'it' Ketoi?

Jesus Camp, right?
Not all evangelicals are pro Dubya, although I think the majority are. My uncle is an evangelicalm republican and he dislikes Bush very much.

 

[Cabdullahi]

Listen who can trust a politician these days !forget hillary forget obama forget all of them.they all seem to be stating that they will improve this and improve that so nobody knows if they will follow up with an act only time will tell

 

[Keltoi]

Don't you 'Christians' idolise dubya? It was in a documentary, they percieve him to be some 'Messiah' Evangelicals I think. Is that your perception of 'it' Ketoi?

No, Evangelicals don't percieve Bush to be a "Messiah"...that is a little absurd. Bush does have alot of support amongst Christians, primarily because of his anti-abortion stance and his nomination of conservative judges.

 

[MTAFFI]

You do know the difference between a primary and a general election right? A primary is Democrats voting for Democrats. Or Republicans voting for Republicans. Obama isn't actually in the lead anyway, Clinton has more primary delegates than he does, and if she wins Texas and Ohio she gets the nomination.

actually Obama is leading in the delegates right now, Clinton has more superdelegates because of NY & CA but she is behind by 92 delegates overall

She has to win by a landslide in both TX and OH or her campaign may be over, I think right now she actually has the lead by a small margin but definitely not enough to lock the nomination..

Many democrats who previously backed Clinton now back Obama as well, and her pledged superdelegates are just that, "pledged", they are not yet concrete, and many believe that many of her super delegates because her electability is not as great as Obamas for the democrat party.

DELEGATE COUNT
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html
POPULAR VOTE
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html
NATIONAL POLLS
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Jesus Camp, right?
Not all evangelicals are pro Dubya, although I think the majority are. My uncle is an evangelicalm republican and he dislikes Bush very much.

Yes, and some other one. I lost interest after a bit, when they declared they were Gods chosen and would rule the world?

Well it's good to know some Christians can think. (No Offence) :coolious:

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

No, Evangelicals don't percieve Bush to be a "Messiah"...that is a little absurd. Bush does have alot of support amongst Christians, primarily because of his anti-abortion stance and his nomination of conservative judges.

Thanks :smile:

 

[Kidman]

I'm voting for Nader, he is pro-hezbollah!!! check out youtube!

 

[Cognescenti]

I'm voting for Nader, he is pro-hezbollah!!! check out youtube!

Ralph Nader?? It hardly seems he has a chance.

Still, he might make a late run. :smile:

I have seen that Youtube video. He looks like he is on psychoactive medication or is taking signals from Jupiter and translating them into English.

That is some serious, single-issue voting you are talking about. The problem is, how would an outsider know you like his pro-Hezbollah stance or are just mad at General Motors for making the Chevy Corvair.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_at_Any_Speed

 

[Moon*Light]

If destruction of half a country within 34 days is called as victory, then I also agree with this stance. Winners don't regret after the wars.

I answered you about that don’t take things out of context that was hypothetical question that came after explaining how the war was preplanned and the question is not a real situation but to show his views that he cares about people.

Also "Israel" had destruction which they didn't allow to show.

All wars have destruction. Instead of blaming Israelis for those inhume and immoral acts you attack Hizba'Allah. Wow.

Yes, now I remember. The Arab armies advanced taking most of Israel including Haifa & Jerusalem and decimating the Israeli army & air force.

Sadat was not very bright.


MTAFFI,

Do you think “Israel” is an invasion and occupation or not? Because I seem to be repeating myself and the message is not getting across. Again, Zionists attacked us, Lebanese have been dying since 1948 before the PLO and before Hizba’Allah.

All these groups came as a result of Israeli attacks, Hizba’Allah was created after the invasion of Lebanon in 1982.

They still fight because the Israelis keep attacking and occupying Lebanese lands. They have illegal air flights almost every day, they steal their water. What do you call that?

So the US is not having problems in Iraq, then why do they need to leave?

They could take Gaza but they will make another intifada maybe or lose more soldiers than they want. They can’t seem to stop a few little rockets from there.

Is it our fault that they are in shambles! Ask the US and Russia what they have done to these countries and those Arab leaders who kept on supporting Saddam because he killed Iranians, until he had no use.

You seem to change the point every time you don’t have sn answer, I’m talking about the progress against occupation.

I’m giggling about death? Pfft that is what you understood? Good Lord. I was talking about Israelis failing in their goal to invade Lebanon, in their fear of Hizaba’Allah and I think you know that very well. Stop changing my views.

There families all left, yet there were twice as many civilian casualties... hmmm what isnt right about that?

They hit southern suburbs more than a 100 buildings were completely destroyed. The others who were not in the frontal villages where the fight was but they were still hit. Buses carrying civilians were hit while fleeing that’s why there were so many victims.

Peace with whom? The one that kills you?

They didn’t get them anything they took it on their own and I know my history more than you do. They can’t do whatever they want with it. They have no right to displace and take the homes and lands of others. Period.

Haha, you read Zionist views about history which are false, ever heard of Der Yeseen massacre?You know if that was the case then after all these years no Palestinians should have stayed after all these deaths.

Well that is working right no Israelis are afraid of the large numbers of births of Palestinians.

If they speak that they don’t agree with this peace process they are put in prison never to be heard of, that is freedom for you from the US and Israeli backup gov. in those two countries. That is one thing.

I told you before I don’t support them. But isn’t the SA gov. the best friend of the US?