Hezbollah declares Open War on Israel

[Moon*Light]

Israel to vanish, says Hezbollah

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah has told thousands of supporters at a rally in Lebanon that the disappearance of Israel is inevitable.
"The presence of Israel is but temporary and cannot go on in the region," he told the Beirut rally.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7259657.stm

 

[ahsan28]

How?

The fact remains that they helped zionists create a security zone to protect Israelis from crude rockets which were supplied to them by their well wishers and accepted peace deal after 34 days. If they are capable to eliminate zionists, what stopped them from continuing the war in 2006?

Statements don't become facts, unless proven on ground.

Those who regard Hezbollah as winners despite leading to half of the country to utter destruction haven't given even one conclusive proof of their military achievements so far.

Military analysis are not based on emotional statements.

 

[Kidman]

He said their disappearance in inevitable, meaning they will disappear.. they didn't say that they will be the cause of this. Also they stopped the war from continuing because the Cowards were busy killing innocent civilians instead of fighting the Hezbollah troops on the ground.

Kidman

 

[ahsan28]

Civilian casualties might have been one of the reasons necessitating acceptance of cease-fire by Hezbollah but not the prime consideration, which was certainly the substantial degradation of Hezbollah fighting capability in terms of men and material losses, despite the fact that they exhibited endurance and performed more than the expectations of the Zionists. Apart from this, Hezbollah’s initial successes were also due to the cautious approach adopted by IDF, incorrect assessment about Hezbollah’s fighting potential and delay in launching full scale offensive. We can claim that IDF wasn’t prepared to face such resistance and took Hezbollah lightly. However, the Israel’s main objective was to secure the area upto Litani River to keep Israel out of the range of hostile rockets, followed by deployment of UN peacekeeping mission for curtailing Hezbollah freedom of action in Southern Lebanon and limiting Iran’s ability to use Lebanon’s territory against Israel in which they did succeed.

Although, Hezbollah was successful in attaining political and moral ascendancy over Israel, which is beyond doubt but militarily they didn’t achieve anything. So therefore, I don’t see any logic in declaration of war by Hezbollah except a political statement without any substance, but if they resort to any misadventure, its more likely that Israel will not repeat its blunders.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Either they have peace, or a full blown war! - People can't live or set up homes so they can continue living a life. It's short enough as it is, without having to have this going on in their front garden!

 

[Cognescenti]

Civilian casualties might have been one of the reasons necessitating acceptance of cease-fire by Hezbollah but not the prime consideration, which was certainly the substantial degradation of Hezbollah fighting capability in terms of men and material losses, despite the fact that they exhibited endurance and performed more than the expectations of the Zionists. Apart from this, Hezbollah’s initial successes were also due to the cautious approach adopted by IDF, incorrect assessment about Hezbollah’s fighting potential and delay in launching full scale offensive. We can claim that IDF wasn’t prepared to face such resistance and took Hezbollah lightly. However, the Israel’s main objective was to secure the area upto Litani River to keep Israel out of the range of hostile rockets, followed by deployment of UN peacekeeping mission for curtailing Hezbollah freedom of action in Southern Lebanon and limiting Iran’s ability to use Lebanon’s territory against Israel in which they did succeed.

Although, Hezbollah was successful in attaining political and moral ascendancy over Israel, which is beyond doubt but militarily they didn’t achieve anything. So therefore, I don’t see any logic in declaration of war by Hezbollah except a political statement without any substance, but if they resort to any misadventure, its more likely that Israel will not repeat its blunders.

I would have to agree with most of your analysis. Hezbollah won the PR battle...because of the destruction of civilian areas...and they achieved some initial success because of their fortified positions, but ultimately, when Israeli will and logistical support stiffened..Hebollah had to give up the battlefield (and had a fair number of "martyrs", I imagine), which is the classical definition of military defeat.

I absolutely dispute your claim of moral ascendency. Hezbollah started the war by seizing Israeli soldiers and the thousands of rockets rained indescriminately onto Israeli territory can hardly be claimed a "moral" victory.

 

[ahsan28]

I used moral ascendency in the context of significant civilian casualties and destruction of civilian infrastructure by Israel, otherwise we all know that Hezbollah was the one to provide Israel the oppertunity to invade and accepted ceasefire after 34 days as a face saving, since they were in no position to sustain IDF momentum of advance, except firing crude rockets into Israel's territories to show to the world that they were resisting successfully whereas in actual they had given up the area upto Litani River.

In such situation during a conventional war, the defender either launches riposte or resorts to counter-offensive through release of uncommitted reserves. Hezbollah had no such capability :embarrass

So therefore to consider that Hezbollah won the war militarily is seriously flawed :embarrass

 

[Moon*Light]

^ Do tell did were the aims of the war reached?

No, so Israelis failed and Hizba'Allah stopped the aims so they won.

How?

The fact remains that they helped zionists create a security zone to protect Israelis from crude rockets which were supplied to them by their well wishers and accepted peace deal after 34 days. If they are capable to eliminate zionists, what stopped them from continuing the war in 2006?

Statements don't become facts, unless proven on ground.

Those who regard Hezbollah as winners despite leading to half of the country to utter destruction haven't given even one conclusive proof of their military achievements so far.

Military analysis are not based on emotional statements.

What security zone? That thing ended when the Israelis ran away in 2000. Everyone can go to the south now, Hizba’Allah are still there, their flags are right on the fence. There is only Kafarshuba hills and Shebaa Farms still occupied after the 2000 withdrawal.

Resolution 1701 is not a peace deal far from it. It just says to have a seize fire, though till now it has not happened.

Because the Israelis couldn’t handle it anymore and wanted to stop the war. Second, new issues have shown they wanted a mass evacuation that happened and for the people to stay out. The resistance wanted the people to return as fast as possible to their homes and it happened right after the military actions were stopped. Third, “Israel” is broken down bit by bit, in this war they stopped their aims.

The more “Israel” tries to invade Lebanon the more its army will be broken down. The Hizb learned from Arabs past mistakes where they make full scale wars and have no way of getting past the military of the Israelis.

I keep telling myself that you and others seem to be forgetting who admitted they lost. The Israelis admitted they lost a war, first time ever!

Read the Israeli Winograd report there is no emotion there and they said they failed and lost. Period.

 

[Keltoi]

Israel admitted they didn't achieve all of their objectives...but that doesn't equate to a "loss" either. Israel actually had concrete goals they wished to achieve, mainly the destruction of Hezbollah positions in southern Lebanon. They wiped much of it off the map, but they didn't achieve all of their goals in that endeavor.

 

[cala_lily]

OMG too funny, may he rest in pieces *LOL*

 

[ahsan28]

No, so Israelis failed and Hizba'Allah stopped the aims so they won.

Then why did they accept cease-fire, if they were in such a commanding position during culminating stages of the conflict :embarrass

 

[ahsan28]

Israel admitted they didn't achieve all of their objectives...but that doesn't equate to a "loss" either. Israel actually had concrete goals they wished to achieve, mainly the destruction of Hezbollah positions in southern Lebanon. They wiped much of it off the map, but they didn't achieve all of their goals in that endeavor.

I agree. The major blunder committed by Israel was the limited resources allocated for the ground offensive. Troops were sent into battle without sufficient food, water and basic supplies which had significant impact during initial days. However those weaknesses as shown in their report have nothing to do with the final outcome of the conflict which is related to losing of a sizeable territory by Hezbollah. They were in no position to repond or retaliate further except firing crude rockets (supplied by Iran and Syria) into Israel's territory.

 

[Moon*Light]

Bro ahsan I explained why. "Israel" needs to be broken over intervals. Look what happened in previous wars with the Arabs. The Strategy Hizaba’Allah and Hamas have taken is guerilla warfare to tire the large Israeli army and to hit its strength like the Merkava tank.

I also talked about the importance of returning the people back to the south.

Don't worry knowing "Israel" they will come back again, you will get to see them defeated once more.

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Keltoi,

They said they failed, stop playing on words, failed, lost, defeated, didn’t achieve goals...basically they all lead to the same thing.

If you make a little search you would find these but I'm tired of repeating myself.

This is after the war in 2006.

Israeli analysts across the political spectrum branded the war against Hezbollah fighters in Lebanon ``an embarrassing defeat" for a ``semi-rookie government" that should have known the goals it set for itself were ``impossible to achieve."

http://www.boston.com/news/world/mi...6/08/16/many_israelis_see_a_strategic_defeat/

 

[Moon*Light]

What territory was lost ahsan? You still haven't explained about the security fence. Where do you get this stuff?

 

[ahsan28]

By security zone I meant creation of an area for subsequent deployment of UN peacekeepers, so as to keep Hezbollah's crude rockets out of range of Northern Israel. Another implication could have been the utilisation of security zone as jump-off point for sebsequent phases of the war after necessary build up of logistics. Had the war not ended after 34 days, we would have found 1-2 freshly inducted IDF divisions either deployed along the communication lines to seize Hezbollah activities/movements or awaiting further orders from zionist high command to continue operations ahead of Litani River.

The crude rockets fired by Hezbollah from within by-passed pockets of resistance would not have been of any tactical significance, except creating unrest amongst Israelis living in Northern areas and that too would have stopped with the mopping up phase launched by the follow up IDF formation.

So therefore it was blessing in disguise for Hezbollah that the conflict ended after 34 days and one should never pray that Israel attacks again on Lebanon, unless Hezbollah is desirous for further destruction of their country.

IDF concentrations in the general area along Litani River before ceasefire amounts to losing the territory by Hezbollah, the precise reason as to why Nasrallah didn't blink his eyes in accepting ceasefire. Had he been in any viable position to continue the fight, he wouldn't have accepted the deal after such unprecedented destruction of Southern Lebanon by IDF :embarrass

 

[MTAFFI]

Bro ahsan I explained why. "Israel" needs to be broken over intervals. Look what happened in previous wars with the Arabs. The Strategy Hizaba’Allah and Hamas have taken is guerilla warfare to tire the large Israeli army and to hit its strength like the Merkava tank.

I also talked about the importance of returning the people back to the south.

Don't worry knowing "Israel" they will come back again, you will get to see them defeated once more.

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Keltoi,

They said they failed, stop playing on words, failed, lost, defeated, didn’t achieve goals...basically they all lead to the same thing.

If you make a little search you would find these but I'm tired of repeating myself.

This is after the war in 2006.



http://www.boston.com/news/world/mi...6/08/16/many_israelis_see_a_strategic_defeat/

moonlight, i cant respond to your last response to me because you responded without quoting anything and I dont have the patience to go back and read everything over again, however I will say this, just because Israel admitted "deafeat" as you call it, or failed to meet their objectives doesnt mean in any way that Israel was at all "broken in interval" by this last war, in fact, if you have ever been to Israel or if you simply take a look at them outside of your "kill all the Jews in Israel and restablish an Arab Muslim state" box, you will see that Israel from an economic, military or international standpoint has not even been touched, in fact they have only grown over the years. The only damage that may have been done is a political one, and since it is a democracy that political defeat will only last so long. The violence that Hamas and Hezbollah and these various little wars or spats, produces no more than the same thing over and over. It is monotonous and wears mine and I am sure many others skin thin. If you think Hezbollah is great and Hamas is the same and you think they are both making progress, then you are in fact ignorant and blind. They will never be any more than they are today and will accomplish nothing but creating more animosity and provoking more Israeli settlements on Palestinian land. I will say one final time to you that violence begets violence, that is all. Israel is winning their war, they have all the land and international support they need. The have made nothing but progress since they acquired the land, what achievements have their enemies made, other than being able to carry this conflict on for 60 years and give up more land and dignity? Answer that, what achievements have Israels enemies made?

 

[Kidman]

Israel admitted they didn't achieve all of their objectives...but that doesn't equate to a "loss" either. Israel actually had concrete goals they wished to achieve, mainly the destruction of Hezbollah positions in southern Lebanon. They wiped much of it off the map, but they didn't achieve all of their goals in that endeavor.

 

[Keltoi]

Excuse me? Care to post a comment?

 

[Moon*Light]

ahsan28,

The UN peace keepers exist in the south since 1978. They added to their number, they live on leased land. There is no security zone, people come and go.

If you know about the attack on the UN in the past year they have asked Hizba’Allah to help them find out who has done the attack because Hizba’Allah still exists in the south and they always will be. The resistance fighters are the people of the villages.

Hizba’Allah never showed any military signs before 2006 and not after 2006 nothing changed except more UN soldiers who can’t even protect themselves not sure how they are going to help the Lebanese. *roll eyes*

Seriously lol the Israelis didn’t even reach the Litani river.

Not sure why you have all this grand idea about the IOF they are weaker than anyone thinks. Why do you think the Israelis stopped the war if they could get rid what you call “crude” rockets?

Why did they not destroy Hizba’Allah? Why didn’t they achieve the goals of the war?

Oh oh I know the answer! They admitted defeat! I posted you proof where is your proof? You have nothing.

Unprecedented destruction? Ever heard of the 78 invasion? How about the 82 one, how about 93, 96? Do you think there was no destruction?

By the way those “crude” rockets destroyed merkva and warships. Sure “crude”

 

[Moon*Light]

moonlight, i cant respond to your last response to me because you responded without quoting anything and I dont have the patience to go back and read everything over again, however I will say this, just because Israel admitted "deafeat" as you call it, or failed to meet their objectives doesnt mean in any way that Israel was at all "broken in interval" by this last war, in fact, if you have ever been to Israel or if you simply take a look at them outside of your "kill all the Jews in Israel and restablish an Arab Muslim state" box, you will see that Israel from an economic, military or international standpoint has not even been touched, in fact they have only grown over the years.

Correction they call it a defeat. Once and for all, accept it.

Haha, don’t worry I don’t need to go to “Israel” to see what they do. You mean the wide corruption they have? I suggest you open haaretz and ynet news to see their “wonderful society. Do you mean their former president who got away with his sexual harassment? How about Oulmert who most of the Israelis don’t want him but he sticks to the PM chair like glue? How about Sharon’s corrupt children and their thievery? Or Dan Halutz who sold stocks before the 2006 war?

You mean that society? Wow yes I should learn from those. I should learn from them the “love” they show to the Palestinians. I should learn from them their love towards Arabs.

Sure I need to learn something from them.

I told you before don’t change my views. I don’t hate Jews. I’m against Zionists and Israelis because of their actions and they don’t have to be from a certain religion or race obviously.

I know my enemy

Answer that, what achievements have Israels enemies made?

Why are you repeating questions? I answered that. I also don’t have patience to go back and look it up.

So what if they have international support that means they are right? Wow, that’s nice, did you tell that to the prophet (asw) when all of Qurish were against him how about the ahsab?

Yes we should quake in our boots because of this, I’m so scared now!

Pffft!