hijab importance

[renak]

http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/corinthians/veils.stm

One link outlining Greco Roman attire of women prior to Islam.

 

[NahidSarvy]

We have been discussing this very issue in the thread here.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Hello Renak,

So yes, according to my belief (my sect of Islam) it is up to each individual to pick up the Quran and interpret it accordingly.

So if someone wants to interpret the Qur'an in a way that means they should kill everyone, that is acceptable?! Pardon me, renak, but I think you're in no position to start making a new sect in a religion you have yet to learn.

Evidently, you have not read the Qur'an completely, as the Qur'an itself commands Muslims to adhere to the Shari'ah and not to follow their whims and personal desires as you've suggested above.

45:18 Then have We established you (O Muhammad) upon the Shari'ah from Our Command, so follow it and do not follow the desires of those who know not.

If everyone was just supposed to interpret the Qur'an according to their whims then what was the purpose of God sending a Messenger to live amongst the people and show them how to interpret the laws? The Qur'an itself tells us the function of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh:
16:44 And We have revealed unto you (O Muhammad) the reminder, so that you may EXPLAIN unto all mankind that which has been revealed for them

The Prophet's function was to explain the revelation of God and show us how to interpret and implement it.

And we certainly have the right to question your faith if you did not accept the understanding of the Qur'an as it was explained and implemented by the Prophet, because the Qur'an itself negates the faith of such people:

4:65 But no, by your Lord (O Muhammad), they have no Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.

Regards

 

[*noor]

we should not even question what the Quran and the Hadith say about Hijaab. We should believe in it just because it says so in the Quran. I don't know why some people try to create their own philosophy about it. I would rather have a sister tell me that she is not strong enough to wear it than to say that there is no proof that it is necessary.

 

[renak]

Hello Renak,

So if someone wants to interpret the Qur'an in a way that means they should kill everyone, that is acceptable?! Pardon me, renak, but I think you're in no position to start making a new sect in a religion you have yet to learn.

Who said I created a new sect???? That's funny!;D I hope I get featured on some T.V. special. ;D

Evidently, you have not read the Qur'an completely, as the Qur'an itself commands Muslims to adhere to the Shari'ah and not to follow their whims and personal desires as you've suggested above.

Actually, I did read it completely in college (approx 10 years ago). The reading was a requirement; therefore, I didn't read it with the love and desire I now possess.

45:18 Then have We established you (O Muhammad) upon the Shari'ah from Our Command, so follow it and do not follow the desires of those who know not.

I think it's up to each individual to decide who "those who know not" are.

If everyone was just supposed to interpret the Qur'an according to their whims then what was the purpose of God sending a Messenger to live amongst the people and show them how to interpret the laws? The Qur'an itself tells us the function of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh:
16:44 And We have revealed unto you (O Muhammad) the reminder, so that you may EXPLAIN unto all mankind that which has been revealed for them

I like to read Mohammeds explanations. They are very insightful.

The Prophet's function was to explain the revelation of God and show us how to interpret and implement it.

And we certainly have the right to question your faith if you did not accept the understanding of the Qur'an as it was explained and implemented by the Prophet, because the Qur'an itself negates the faith of such people:

I don't mind you questioning my faith. May God bless you.

4:65 But no, by your Lord (O Muhammad), they have no Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.

Regards

Allah is All-Knowing

 

[renak]

Hello Renak,

Pardon me, renak, but I think you're in no position to start making a new sect in a religion you have yet to learn.

Learning is a lifelong process. We do not reach a point in our existence in which we are all knowing.

I do admit that I have not studied Islam as much as some people. However, I think it is worth saying that I know I've read more of the Quran, and studied it more extinsively than many people who have classified themselves as Muslims for a lifetime (very sad...but true).

Nonetheless, I find the opinions of all people on this forum (including you) to be of relevence, and great interest. I feel that the differences in opinions allow me to consider various interpretations, and as a result I become stronger in my religious convictions. I don't find it necessary to agree with everyone. I definetely do not expect everyone to subscribe to my views. If anyone on this forum feels that it is in my interest to pursuade them to think as I do, then they are wrong. I also would like to offer up an apology to anyone who may view me in such an offensive manner.

Warm regards

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

I think it's up to each individual to decide who "those who know not" are.

It's a fairly black and white issue when it comes to someone who hasn't studied the Shari'ah.

I like to read Mohammeds explanations. They are very insightful.

It is not just a matter of 'liking to read them', it is a matter of accepting them. If you agree on the latter, then you have no reasonable basis to reject hijab as a cultural practice because it was mandated by the Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

In fact, it was not a cultural practice as mentioned by the Qur'an itself, that prior to Islam the women use to walk in public without covering themselves adequately. As the Qur'an commands the believing women:

33:33 and do not display yourselves like that of the Jahiliyya times

Jahiliyya is the word the Qur'an uses to refer to the pre-islamic period. So the Qur'an mentions that the women used to dress immodestly in the pre-islamic period, and both the Qur'an and the Prophet mandated the Islamic dress. This demolishes the claim that it was something cultural.

Learning is a lifelong process.

But there is a distinct difference between those who have studied 'Ulûm Al-Qur'ân and Usûl At-Tafsîr, and those who couldn't even tell you the meaning of those terms without doing an internet search.

However, I think it is worth saying that I know I've read more of the Quran, and studied it more extinsively than many people who have classified themselves as Muslims for a lifetime (very sad...but true).

My concern is not with the ignorant. I'm speaking of the scholars and students of knowledge.

 

[renak]

It's a fairly black and white issue when it comes to someone who hasn't studied the Shari'ah.

If you read my response you will see that I have studied the Shari'ah! I love it!!!!! That is why I will never stop seeking to learn more.

It is not just a matter of 'liking to read them', it is a matter of accepting them. If you agree on the latter, then you have no reasonable basis to reject hijab as a cultural practice because it was mandated by the Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

I respect your opinion; yet I disagree.

In fact, it was not a cultural practice as mentioned by the Qur'an itself, that prior to Islam the women use to walk in public without covering themselves adequately. As the Qur'an commands the believing women:

33:33 and do not display yourselves like that of the Jahiliyya times

Jahiliyya is the word the Qur'an uses to refer to the pre-islamic period. So the Qur'an mentions that the women used to dress immodestly in the pre-islamic period, and both the Qur'an and the Prophet mandated the Islamic dress. This demolishes the claim that it was something cultural.

Regards

:thankyou: :thankyou: :thankyou:

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

If you read my response you will see that I have studied the Shari'ah!

What branches of Shari'ah have you studied?

I respect your opinion; yet I disagree.

I didn't present any opinions, I just cited a fact. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh mandated the dress. And prior to Islam the arabs dressed in a fashion which would be considered immodest by Islamic standards. Which fact are you disputing?

 

[renak]

What branches of Shari'ah have you studied?

I've studied the Quran, hadiths, & sunna. Are you referring to the sources, or the different branches of Shariah? :statisfie

I didn't present any opinions, I just cited a fact. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh mandated the dress. And prior to Islam the arabs dressed in a fashion which would be considered immodest by Islamic standards. Which fact are you disputing?

In all due respect, I'm not the only person on this forum who does not believe that hijab was mandated. I respect that you consider this obligatory.

:statisfie

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

I've studied the Quran, hadiths, & sunna. Are you referring to the sources, or the different branches of Shariah?

Since I asked what branches of Shari'ah have studied, I think it is a good guess that I am referring to branches of Shari'ah.
You simply mentioned the sources you have studied without telling me what science you have studied. For example with regard to the Qur'an, did you study An-Nâsikh wal Mansûkh, Asbâb an-Nuzûl, i'jâz al-Qur'ân, Usûl At-Tafsîr, etc. Please be specific.

In all due respect, I'm not the only person on this forum who does not believe that hijab was mandated.

You didn't answer my question; You just committed the fallacy of appeal to authority. Please tell me which of the facts are you disputing?

Regards

 

[M H Kahn]

What branches of Shari'ah have you studied?


I didn't present any opinions, I just cited a fact. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh mandated the dress. And prior to Islam the arabs dressed in a fashion which would be considered immodest by Islamic standards. Which fact are you disputing?

You say that 'hijab' was mandated by Muhammed(pbuh) as a compulsion for compiance of the Quranic ordainment to lower the gaze, guard the modesty, draw the veils over their bossoms and not display the beauty and charms except for what normally appear. But have you got any evidence to support your claim ? Or is it a mere presumption ? Please enrich us with authentic knowledge.

 

[renak]

Definition of jahiliyya : This can mean "ignorance" or even "barbarism" and refers to the state people lived in before Muhammad received his revelation from God and brought Islam to the world. This was a time of lawlessness and idolatry, as contrasted with the period of time under Islamic rule, characterized by morality, enlightenment and divine law.

I think it is fair to state that there were various manners of dress within pre-Islamic times. I provided a link in a previous post which discussed the manner of dress for some Greco-Roman women (prior to Islam). The link discusses the modest dress, use of the veil, and head coverings. Thus, one can argue that modest dress was worn by some women prior to Islam. I fail to see how the verse, "33:33 and do not display yourselves like that of the Jahiliyya times" gives credence to hijab.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Thus, one can argue that modest dress was worn by some women prior to Islam. I fail to see how the verse, "33:33 and do not display yourselves like that of the Jahiliyya times" gives credence to hijab.

The verse clearly states that in the pre-islamci period the women used to 'display themselves' in a manner deemed impermissable by the Qur'an. Clear evidence that the hijab was not just a 'cultural practice' because it was in stark contrast to the arab culture of that time!

Regards

 

[renak]

Since I asked what branches of Shari'ah have studied, I think it is a good guess that I am referring to branches of Shari'ah.
You simply mentioned the sources you have studied without telling me what science you have studied. For example with regard to the Qur'an, did you study An-Nâsikh wal Mansûkh, Asbâb an-Nuzûl, i'jâz al-Qur'ân, Usûl At-Tafsîr, etc. Please be specific.

I can provide the two branches. However, isn't this leading to sectarian squabbling? I don't wish to open a can of worms, and have sunni's and shia's defending their own positions.

Regards

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

I can provide the two branches. However, isn't this leading to sectarian squabbling? I don't wish to open a can of worms, and have sunni's and shia's defending their own positions.

What has this to do with sectarian issues??? I'm asking you which branch (i.e. area/science/discipline) of Shari'ah law you studied.

 

[renak]

The verse clearly states that in the pre-islamci period the women used to 'display themselves' in a manner deemed impermissable by the Qur'an. Clear evidence that the hijab was not just a 'cultural practice' because it was in stark contrast to the arab culture of that time!

Why are you ignoring the fact that many women during pre-Islamic times did dress modestly? Did you view my link?

When one examines the definition of jihiliyya and applies the definition to the cultural dresss during pre-Islamic times, I do not see how one can conclude that all women dressed impermissable (according to the Quran).

Regards

Thanks

 

[M H Kahn]

There is no sect, madhab or any other type of division in Islam; it is one and only code of conduct for the whole mankind.

 

[renak]

What has this to do with sectarian issues??? I'm asking you which branch (i.e. area/science/discipline) of Shari'ah law you studied.

The Shia's and Sunni's study different branches. Is this not correct?

I do not wish to post which branches I have studied, just to open myself to attack by a member of an opposite sect.

 

[renak]

There is no sect, madhab or any other type of division in Islam; it is one and only code of conduct for the whole mankind.

Ideally this may be true. However, do you ignore that different sects exist in Islam?