hijab problems

[Sampharo]

Indeed – do not deny your religion but it is a matter of debate as to whether wearing hijab or a beard is a requirement of your religion.

No it's not a matter of debate. It is an obligation by dictation. You seem to always mix Islam with "ways of life" where people can choose to consider what they want out of it.

Many Muslims have decided that God does not require it

Just because some ignorants decide not to follow an obligation, does not mean they aren't getting a sin registered for them and will not be judged for it. Your lack of belief in the matter of course is not of concern.

and many non Muslims (including myself who has studied the question in depth) have decided that these things are worn as a matter of uniform, to identify yourself as Muslim as distinct from kafir not because God commanded it so.

For the beard yes, for the hijab most certainly not and if you thought so then you haven't studied the matter in the depth that you thought you have.

So wear you hijab and grow your beard but recognise that you will be judged by many non Muslims not as a pious or deeply devout devotee of God but as a flag carrier for the cause. Like it or not, that’s the way it is.

That maybe the case, most non-muslims are short-sighted and unaware anyway. But I think there are enough knowledgable non-muslims out there along with muslims who do own and manage businesses in every country to give their jobs to whomever has merit without prejudice.

Nice to see secular ideals of racial and religious equality being shown for the empty gestures they truly are on their own, without us having to call them anything. :statisfie

 

[Thinker]

What does a potential (non Muslim) employer think when he sees the applicant wearing a hijab or beard?

He/She probably knows nothing about Islam other than what he has picked up from the news, current affairs programmes, documentaries and life around him. The TV programmes primarily focus around the radical Muslims pursuing extreme and radical forms of Islam. He knows that most Muslims are not like that, that they are moderates wanting peace and prosperity for themselves and their families. He also knows that only 1 in every 1,000 Muslim men (in the west) grow the fist long beard and that 1 in every 10 Muslim women wear the hijab and only 1 in every 1,000 women wear a burka. So the applicant in front of him wearing the hijab or the beard, does he put them in the moderate box or the radical box?

Next he wonders whether the lady in hijab might decide at a point in the future that she wants to wear a burka or she might come to him and complain that she can’t work with men or she can’t shake the hands of male customers or she can’t serve customers with items (alcohol) that she objects to.

If you were that employer which applicant would you employ; the one that might bring you problems or the other one?

 

[OmerAsadAllah]

This video isn't exactly for the idea of jobs , but it serves as a good reminder for sisters who might start thinking about not wearing the hijab....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm824ssZJr4&feature=fvw

 

[al Amaanah]

:salamext:

disobeying Allah (removing ur 7ejaab) for a job sounds more than madness to me to be honest ukht layla. fear Allah, put ur trust in Allah, He is the Provider, make do3aa2 to Him and insha Allah u'll find one.

The Prophet (salla Allaho 3alaihi wasallam) said: “There is no obedience if it involves disobedience towards Allaah; obedience is only in that which is right and proper.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (4085) and Muslim (1840).

وما من دابة في الأرض إلا على الله رزقها ويعلم مستقرها ومستودعها كل في كتاب مبين

سورة هود

6. "And no (moving) living creature is there on earth but its provision is due from Allah. And He knows its dwelling place and its deposit (in the uterous, grave, etc.). all is in a Clear Book" (Al Lauh Al Mahfuth - the Book of Decrees with Allah).

ومن يتق الله يجعل له مخرجا

ويرزقه من حيث لا يحتسب ومن يتوكل على الله فهو حسبه إن الله بالغ أمره قد جعل الله لكل شيءٍ قدرا

سورة الطلاق

2. "..And whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make a way for him to get out (from every difficulty)."

3. "And He will provide him from (sources) he never could imagine. And whosoever puts his trust in Allah, then He will suffice him. Verily, Allah will accomplish his purpose. Indeed Allah has set a measure for all things."​

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

What does a potential (non Muslim) employer think when he sees the applicant wearing a hijab or beard?

i dont know. who cares? he wants employees, why should he/she look at them and not their ability to work.

He/She probably knows nothing about Islam other than what he has picked up from the news, current affairs programmes, documentaries and life around him. The TV programmes primarily focus around the radical Muslims pursuing extreme and radical forms of Islam. He knows that most Muslims are not like that, that they are moderates wanting peace and prosperity for themselves and their families. He also knows that only 1 in every 1,000 Muslim men (in the west) grow the fist long beard and that 1 in every 10 Muslim women wear the hijab and only 1 in every 1,000 women wear a burka. So the applicant in front of him wearing the hijab or the beard, does he put them in the moderate box or the radical box?

why doesn't he take them out of either box. one shouldn't have to put up with the blame for another's insecurity

Next he wonders whether the lady in hijab might decide at a point in the future that she wants to wear a burka or she might come to him and complain that she can’t work with men or she can’t shake the hands of male customers or she can’t serve customers with items (alcohol) that she objects to.

no he doesn't. the applicants should do their homework as to what the job will entail and not bother to apply for it if it consistent of disobeying God in any way.

If you were that employer which applicant would you employ; the one that might bring you problems or the other one?

the applicant that i feel would work best for me. if i had any suspicious, i would see trough that they were cleared, before i decied to reject/accept an applicant and that would be by using my own brain and analyze for MYself what that that sister in the hijaab/burka or that man in the beard was all about. i would not, in any way, refer to the money-making machines media to get my knowledge about Muslims. i would take it upon myself to do my own research and not judge people for their outer appearance, but rather what they could do for me, as their employee.


why cant you people just understand it, we dont care for what people have to say about us.

 

[Thinker]

Indeed ‘disobeying’ one of God’s commands would be unwise at the extreme. But God didn’t command that women wear the hijab or that men wear a beard. If God had wanted women wear the hijab or that men wear a beard he would have listed it as a requirement explicitly and unambiguously as a requirement. He didn’t do that and because a scholar ‘a’ ‘b’ or ‘c’ has extrapolated an interpretation from some obscure text, you (that’s the collective you) leap to the conclusion that God commanded it. We’ve had this debate on this site many times and I’m happy to go through it again but it always ends up with me quoting text and facts and you (again that’s the collective you) stretching that text to ‘interpret’ it as something else. Believe what you want to believe, wear what you want to wear but be careful about invoking God’s name by saying it’s his command when it simply is not.

 

[cat eyes]

i asked myself that question 1million times before believe me but i really believe you need to read the holy Qur'an again my friend. if we were to dress like the unbelievers nobody would know there was a god but wen non muslims see a believer wearing these strange clothes they start to think to themselves they ask questions they want to find out about islam they want to know why these women cover from head to toe..

they start to question this creation, they want to know about this strange religion and thats why so many people have reverted all you have to do is log on to youtube and you will see for yourself! i believe this is an obligation purely to show the non muslims we are believers and be as a influence to them otherwise how else are they going to know. its also true that Allah will not judge you with what you wore in this life. Allah will judge you purely for you deeds.

simply wearing the veil dose not make you a muslim. what makes you a muslim is believing in one god and all the prophets

 

[zakirs]

well I need to pay rent even though I live with my mother. She still makes me pay her.

May Allah help you get a job sis . I am sorry to hear about your difficulties.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Indeed ‘disobeying’ one of God’s commands would be unwise at the extreme. But God didn’t command that women wear the hijab or that men wear a beard. If God had wanted women wear the hijab or that men wear a beard he would have listed it as a requirement explicitly and unambiguously as a requirement. He didn’t do that and because a scholar ‘a’ ‘b’ or ‘c’ has extrapolated an interpretation from some obscure text, you (that’s the collective you) leap to the conclusion that God commanded it. We’ve had this debate on this site many times and I’m happy to go through it again but it always ends up with me quoting text and facts and you (again that’s the collective you) stretching that text to ‘interpret’ it as something else.

give it up will you. sisters will always *proudly* keep a cloth wrapped around our heads and brothers likewise will keep hair growing from their faces. we dont care for anyone's approval, except God's so bringing up the same issues up over and over again will do no good for you. you are serisouly just exhauting yourself for no reason...

Believe what you want to believe, wear what you want to wear but be careful about invoking God’s name by saying it’s his command when it simply is not.

take your own advice, and i'll be glad to follow suit.