So what you are saying is that you are God too? you have just made an analogy between God and your person-- so God died so the people who 'sacrificed' him can live on?
Why would God love us, if he can't love himself long enough to uphold his own commandments, even if it is just for show to get us to play along?
What commandments would these be? Are you talking about Jesus upholding the Old Testament? If so, Jesus lived perfectly under the Old Testament, the only one who ever did so. In fact the only thing the Pharisees and religious leaders of the day could level his way was that he was healing on the sabbath days.
Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,
actually, i also raise a question about the quote and i was directing it at you.
if you believe that the whole trinity is the same as 1x1x1=1, then they would all have to be the same one. keeping that in mind,
how do you square:
for in order for your equation to be consistent with your beliefs, Jesus IS in effect saying, " Myself, Myself, why have i forsaken me?"!
That was just an expression of Jesus' humanity. On the cross he took on the entirety of humanity's sin, past, present, and future. So he was feeling the wrath of almighty God while he was on the cross, or the anger of God.
IF he was in fact the only creator cherisher and sustainer of the entire world, then ONLY he would have the power to end his life. IF you can kill him, then he is DEFINITELY not God!
Well, there is a passage in St. John where the Roman soldiers try to apprehend Jesus and they all fall backward. Here:
'Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?
They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
As soon then as the had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.
Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way.' St. John 18:
The reason being is because they couldn't forcefully take his life, he had to give it of his own self. There's also a section somewhere in the Gospel's where they try to throw him off a cliff and he just walks past them before they do so. Here:
'And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him headlong.
But he passing through the midst of them went his way...' Luke 4; 28-30.
We all die because we have sinned and we continue to sin. Death had no authority over Jesus because he didn't sin. Which is also why he rose from the dead, because death could not hold him.
again, for your 1x1x1=1 equation [or misdirection] to be true, then we can reinterpret Isaiah 53, "it pleased the Lord to bruise [the Lord]" this implies a god who enjoys feeling pain, especially self inflicted pain. does that make sense to you?
No, that's not what it implies. The life, death, and resurrection of Jesus is just the fulfillment of the Old Testament. The Old Testament was an imperfect covenant, one in which its adherents (the Jewish people) could not realistically live. If everyone could live perfectly under the old covenant, there would have been no need to send Jesus into the world to redeem us.
And yes, it did please the Lord (God the Father) to bruise the Lord (God the Son). It doesn't mean that he enjoys self inflicted pain, it just means that he is a God of perfect justice and perfect mercy.
this is strange, should the quote read: "that a god lay down his life for his friends?" OR is Jesus denying that he is a part of a trinity here?
No, it doesn't mean that. Jesus was just expressing his humanity, he was relating to them on their level.
What?? Jesus is the savior of humanity right? Savior from what? The punishment of God.
Why does God have to kill himself to save humanity from his own wrath?? :enough!:
As I said, it has to do with God being a God of perfect justice and perfect mercy. Sin carries with it a price, and it has to be paid. God has provided payment through the atoning work of his Son Jesus Christ. Why? So that all men might honor the Son, even as they honor the Father.
