Hitchens, the atheist, died

[جوري]

another excerpt from the same article cited above:

"But you would do it again?" Rose asked.
"Yes, I think I would," Hitchens responded. "I've had to reflect on this, of course, a lot recently, and trying to imagine doing my life differently and not ending up mortally sick. But it's impossible for me to imagine having my life without going to those parties, without having those late nights...without that second bottle."

decisions made by the bottle and during partying doesn't a free thinker make in my book, it makes for a stuporous lout and I hazard think that's how they make all their decisions about the fates, religions and lives of others..

 

[Mikayeel]

If a person is an enemy of islam, and not only that, he openly shows it. Doesn't it make sense for muslims to show joy when such an enemy is removed? I show joy for two reasons, one he is not amongst us no more, and secondly he is gone to his creator the best of judges.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Glad to see the man cross the "Land of Malady" into oblivion, at least from his perspective or that of his followers hes in oblivion.

Good riddance by Mother Nature I must say. But he did get a chance to spread his seed and have 3 (or 4?) kids who carry half of his genetic material. Would've been pleased if evolution and natural selection had completely purged our species off his genetic material.

Richard Dawkins must be sad today, one of his four horsemen have fallen, who is next? Hoping it is Sam Harris.

 

[Mikayeel]

Re: Good Riddance Christopher Hitchens!

No matter how much I disagreed with and disliked his views, I won't express pleasure at his passing. He was a man with a family.

akhee, but why wouldn't you show joy?? In all battlefields, if one side is victorious they show sign of joy that the enemy is defeated. Now think of this as a tactical battle, more media based. He is using the media to get his points across, eventually he got taken by the most certain thing in life DEATH. Which is indirectly a victory to us, one less enemy, right?

 

[جوري]

Um, I clicked Like when I meant to click reply to post.

btw you can 'unlike' the same way you like, I respect your opinion and will not be offended if you take something back that was made in error. You've my word which I hold in highest honor that I'll not hold for you any contempt for doing so.
We're all entitled to feel as we do..

 

[جوري]

The whole idea of this thread is crass. And you're right, he's dead. That means he's no longer doing anything in this world

Actually when one is dead, deeds are cut off except for three: continuous charity, knowledge that benefits others, or a pious son/daughter who will pray for them."

In his case 'Knowledge' that is detrimental to others whether directly leading them astray from the righteous path a result of the delusions of his stupors or by obnoxious inflammatory and hateful speech that leads to illegal invasions against others. So I don't agree that he's no longer doing anything. Unfortunately with bad deeds the results are exponential and may it also be a source of torment on his soul..

 

[Muezzin]

Re: Good Riddance Christopher Hitchens!

akhee, but why wouldn't you show joy?? In all battlefields, if one side is victorious they show sign of joy that the enemy is defeated. Now think of this as a tactical battle, more media based. He is using the media to get his points across, eventually he got taken by the most certain thing in life DEATH. Which is indirectly a victory to us, one less enemy, right?

He was a human being who died of cancer, which meant he died slowly and in pain.

I know someone who died in a similar way (although it was not as a result of their own lifestyle as with Hitchens). I would never wish that on my worst enemy, whether it was self-inflicted or not.

There are also countless other human beings who also die every day, in pain, in starvation, killed by bombs or bullets. I would not be happy when a single one of those people died, regardless of their religion, gender, age or ethnicity, or whatever nonsense they might have spouted when they were alive.

I'm not mourning the guy. I'm just saying I don't express joy over a fellow human being's death, that's all.

 

[GuestFellow]

Nope. Let's criticize away...
Salam

Salaam,

Ah why? The man past away. I mean he might have relatives and friends who are really upset. Would we like it if an Islamic scholar died and the entire mainstream media began to critique him? It is not necessary.

Besides, if you want to question why atheists use the term, "R.I.P" when someone dies, you don't need to have Hitchens involved.

 

[جوري]

Would we like it if an Islamic scholar died and the entire mainstream media began to critique him?

They do! they dam* people without trials and then the FBI comes knocking at your door claiming 'anti-American sentiment' for mourning those figures openly. I don't really care to take the 'high road' in this case.. Sometimes there's a thing in ones soul that needs to be satisfied.. If you read Suret Yusuf, you'll see that sometimes the soul needs satisfaction when wronged!

 

[GuestFellow]

They do!

:wa:

Then we shall not stoop to their level.

 

[جوري]

Then we shall not stoop to their level.

Some might opt for that and touba lahoum.. I am not taking the high road on this one and I shall rejoice the same when it's Pipes, Coutler, pamella Gellar's et. al. fate insha'Allah and may it be painful and soon!

ameen

 

[Mikayeel]

Re: Good Riddance Christopher Hitchens!

He was a human being who died of cancer, which meant he died slowly and in pain.

I know someone who died in a similar way (although it was not as a result of their own lifestyle as with Hitchens). I would never wish that on my worst enemy, whether it was self-inflicted or not.

There are also countless other human beings who also die every day, in pain, in starvation, killed by bombs or bullets. I would not be happy when a single one of those people died, regardless of their religion, gender, age or ethnicity, or whatever nonsense they might have spouted when they were alive.

To be honest, i don't really care how he died, he had him self to blame for that. The end result is that he is dead, one less enemy to worry about. Fair enough you would not want to wish a painful death to your enemy, but in the sa7aaba days the life of an enemy would be taken in a battlefield, usually by a quick strike using a sword.

It is quite ironic that you mention people killed by bombs and bullets, yet it was Hitchens who openly supported the war on iraqis. No one would be happy if people die in poverty, hunger, lonely etc.... Regardless of their religion/race/ethic group etc... But thats not the reason why i show joy. I am pleased that he is not among us no more, its simple islams enemy = my enemy. Islams enemy = your enemy. Enemy gone = an act of joy !??

But in all truth akhee, this individual is hardly worth us getting into a discussion. He simply wasn't worth it. A low life who has departed!

 

[Muezzin]

Re: Good Riddance Christopher Hitchens!

To clarify for the last time, I'm not mourning the guy. Nor am I jumping for joy over his death. It's really that simple.

People will feel they feel.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I disagree with but understand where Bluebell and some others are comeing from in the posts above, the man openly did express hositlity and celebrate the death of others, so I can see why she'd openly celebrate his death.

But these quotes just confirm all the negative stereotypes about muslims, and ironically make Hitchens' point for him from beyond the grave.

Good riddance too! How can any muslim have sympathy for him. He rejected Allah remember?

Hope his eternal torment has begun. Ameen!!!!!!!

You seriously hate the guy, have no sympathy for his suffering or death and wish him torment just because he "rejected Allah"? You are that tribal?

I'd understand Bluebell's type of thinking that he was wishing it on others so she's happy it happened to him, but this is just scary and its no wonder Hitchens formed the views about muslims that he did with this kind of rhetoric out there and so steadily pushed in threads like this.

Richard Dawkins must be sad today, one of his four horsemen have fallen, who is next? Hoping it is Sam Harris.

You are wishing death on Sam Harris now? Are you wishing death on me and all the other non-muslims here too? Should I be careful to hide my ISP when accessing this board?

 

[Pygoscelis]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16212418

What I don't get is this:
Hitchens was as atheist as they come. But when he died, many including atheists wish him R.I.P. (rest in peace).
Well, he was an atheist and he believed there is nothing after death, so what's the "rest in peace" for?
And I am amused that atheists are also using the expression, wouldn't it contradict their belief?

This is a common question. Atheists also get asked this when saying "bless you" when somebody sneezes or saying "oh my god" when surprised or what have you. They often claim that this reveals a secret beleif in God held by the atheist saying it.

To that I ask does saying "holy cow!" make you a Hindu? Does "By Jove" make you pagan? It is just part of the culture and language. "Rest In Peace" is what you say when somebody dies and you want to honour their memory or express respect or shared sorrow at losing somebody when they die. It doesn't mean you actually believe they are out there somewhere resting peacefully in a meadow or something.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Hithcens died from pneumonia, pneumonia is not a "slow" death like cancer. You die in seconds/minutes due to hypoxia and ischemic organ damage.

Today shall we rejoice on death of those who said God is not Great, after all today it has been proven that God is indeed Great. Hitchens lost his battle to God.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Today shall we rejoice on death of those who said God is not Great, after all today it has been proven that God is indeed Great. Hitchens lost his battle to God.

That or he just died, as we all eventually do, and it has nothing to do with God.

 

[جوري]

But these quotes just confirm all the negative stereotypes about muslims, and ironically make Hitchens' point for him from beyond the grave.

We Muslims aren't out to dispel the stereotypes.. Decade long wars against Islam and Muslims tell us that no amount of 'Positive PR' is going to satisfy these people!

Sahih International
O you who have believed, do not take as intimates those other than yourselves, for they will not spare you [any] ruin. They wish you would have hardship. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason.​

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Sahih International
Here you are loving them but they are not loving you, while you believe in the Scripture - all of it. And when they meet you, they say, "We believe." But when they are alone, they bite their fingertips at you in rage. Say, "Die in your rage. Indeed, Allah is Knowing of that within the breasts."​

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Sahih International
If good touches you, it distresses them; but if harm strikes you, they rejoice at it. And if you are patient and fear Allah , their plot will not harm you at all. Indeed, Allah is encompassing of what they do.


Their psychology has already been revealed in the noble Quran millenniums ago, why should we attempt to know better than God and stand to his words an adversary? Furthermore, what exactly was Hitchens' point? My take home message is that stupor and chain smoking are A-Ok and he wouldn't have had it any other way.. No irony in that, it is just good for business.. well if you're in the business of medicine anyway..

best,

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[جوري]

That or he just died, as we all eventually do, and it has nothing to do with God.

Guess we'll have to wait for you to come back from the dead for that testimony to have some weightiness!

best,

 

[Salahudeen]

My Islamic History is a little rusty but weren't the Muslims ecstatic when the leaders of kufr like abu jahal were killed? I remember hearing that the prophet (saw) taunted him in his grave saying "did you find the promise of Allah to be true" I'm all for the attitude of not expressing joy at someone's passing, but when that someone is a enemy of Islam and a source of hate for Allah and Muslims then why shouldn't it be met with happiness, the Muslims were happy and glad when their oppressors who spoke badly of them in Makkah were killed, and this guy is similar in his verbal actions I think.

As for not knowing what's in a persons heart therefore not judging them, then Islam is based upon a person's actions, if a person prostrates to an Idol all day long can we say "he's not a mushrik because we don't know whats in his heart etc" if a person does other acts that take him out of Islam can we say "oh we shouldn't judge him cos we don't know what's in his heart" I don't think this is correct because we can apply this rule to everyone then and it becomes a justification for every wrong.