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1. Aside from the shot-to-death, how many Jews were gassed?
2. What kind of Gas was used?
3. Were there gas-generating laboratories near the camps?
4. How was the gas pumped into the camps? Through Pipes?
5. How did the gassing take place?
6. How many mass graves discovered so far?
7. How well Camps were sealed to prevent gas leak out?
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I'm just going to state what I remember from stories told to me by returning GI's that were among the first Americans to go into the Death Camps. Two of them being my uncles, who were young. My unclle Janick was 20 and my Uncle Vladimir was 22.


1. Aside from the shot-to-death, how many Jews were gassed?

My uncles did not see any evidence of any being shot. Yanick was under the impression that many of them were starved to death. Simply locked in the cells and left to die. That was what he saw the most of. Vladimir saw many examples of gassing. I believe it was Auswich that he was one of the first Americans to enter.

2. What kind of Gas was used?

the gas used was usualy cyanide. It was used in small gas grenades about the size of a cocal cola can. The detonator would be tripped and the chemicals in the can would burn releasing the cyanide. Them used gas containers became popular war trophies after WW2 and many American GI's brought them home as war trophies. Vladimir brought back quite a few. He gave me 5 or 6 as mementos of the war. He said they were on the prison barrack floors by the hundreds. At one of the camps the gassing was more sophisticated. The Barracks were made like dormitories, very nice looking and with large shower rooms, the prisoners would be told to take a shower and when they all entered the shower room, cyanide gas instead of water came out of the showers.

3. Were there gas-generating laboratories near the camps?

No, cyanide requires no lab to generate. The chemicals used to produce it are a very simple proces. You can drop one of the chemicals into sulfuric acid and generate a huge quantity. that is the process that was used here in the US when the gas chamber was the means of execution. The pan of acid was under the chair the person was strapped in and then when the chamber was sealed the capsules were dropped into the pan by a mechanical device.

4. How was the gas pumped into the camps? Through Pipes?

From what I know in most of the camps it was not pumped in, it was just detonating several cyanide grenades in the barracks, with the exception of the camp that had an elaborate shower system

5. How did the gassing take place?
See the remarks above

6. How many mass graves discovered so far?
The vast majority of bodies were cremated and the ashes dumped into huge ash pits. All of the camps had several cremation furnaces that were big. Some of the camps could cremate several hundred bodies at a time. I believe the largest pile of Human ashes is at Auswitz and weighs many tons.

7. How well Camps were sealed to prevent gas leak out?
Not very well, safety did not seem to be a concern. Cyanide dissipates quite rapidly in the air.
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On 2, 3, 4;

The gas used was hydrogen cyanide in the form of 'Zyclon B'. It was actually a commercial pesticide that had first been used at Auschwitz for vermin control. The Zyclon B used in the gas chambers was produced in the same factories as the commercial pesticide, essentially just the same stuff with the warning smell removed. It was in the form of solid crystals that reacted when exposed to air to produce the gas so was easy to transport and store in containers, and neither local manufacturing facilities, pipes or pumping were necessary other than ventilating the gas into the outside air. As Woodrow said, they weren't fussy, and outside of the closed chamber the dispersed gas was not hazardous.

Initially it was just a case of opening the canisters and sealing the doors. Later, when the large gas chambers were built, the Zyclon B was just poured into the chamber.

On 1.; there is no accurate figure for obvious reasons but the best estimate is around 3.5 to 4 million (gassed). An estimated 1.5 million were gassed at Auschwitz, as were another half million Romani, and both Polish and Soviet PoWs. On one occasion 9,000 were murdered in one day, according to the official Auschwitz records.
 
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Thanks for the info Trumble. The depleted canisters I had as a kid looked a lot like CN/DM grenades. I just assumed they worked the same way by igniting the chemicals.

I just took a quick glance at ZyclonB, you are correct. Effective, cheap, easy to transport and store.
 
I believe later in the war when when German resource's were low they began to use diesel engines to pump the exhaust into the chambers to suffocate the prisoners. My Father said he saw evidents of this when he saw some of the camps for himself.
 
> ... the best estimate is around 3.5 to 4 million (gassed).

Thanks, Trumble. So:
Three.5 Million Jews were gassed to death in 52 months (WWII: September 1939 - May 1945)
On the average = 3,000,000 / 52 / 31 / 24 = 77 per hour = 4 Jews were killed every 3 minutes.
Faster than making 3,000,000 passengers just get into + SAFELY out of a Virtual STNDING Train with that Capacity.
How Quick the 2Gs (Gas + German) were!
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AzizMostafa said:
Three.5 Million Jews were gassed to death in 52 months (WWII: September 1939 - May 1945)
On the average = 3,000,000 / 52 / 31 / 24 = 77 per hour = 4 Jews were killed every 3 minutes.
Faster than making 3,000,000 passengers just get into + SAFELY out of a Virtual STNDING Train with that Capacity.
How Quick the 2Gs (Gas + German) were!
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It wasn't that long, actually. It didn't start in numbers until 1941. As I said, the 'record' at Auschwitz was around 9,000 in a day. Auschwitz was one of six such camps. Hopefully maths teaching in Iran is better than the 'history' teaching.

What you need to understand is that, much as I am loathe to consider mass murder in such terms, as an 'industrial' process (which it became) death on that scale was relatively easy for the Germans. Real-estate and labour was, to all intents and purposes, free. Manufacturing of the 'facilities' involved was trivial compared with the levels of weapons production at the same time.
 
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> It wasn't that long, actually. It didn't start in numbers until 1941.

That is according to Russia. 52 months was the average of the 2 different calculations.
Three instead of 3.5 Million and approximation was done to make it more digestible?!

> As I said, the 'record' at Auschwitz was around 9,000 in a day.

Of course, the more the camps, the more the intake, the lesser the time, but the average is average.
Saying:
(9000/24/60) x 40 = 250 Jews were gassed per minute in 40 camps? Or:
(9000/24/60) x 400 = 2500 Jews were gassed per minute in 400 camps?
does not change the average of the Jews gassed per minute in a camp?
Or was the phrase "in a camp" necessary to be added?!
Hopefully your Maths is better than your History learning.
And with due modesty, I finished Communication ENgineering in 1979 in Iraq (not Iran).
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My math is just fine, thanks, as is my history.

I'm not sure what point you are actually trying to make. Your comment was that

On the average = 3,000,000 / 52 / 31 / 24 = 77 per hour = 4 Jews were killed every 3 minutes.
Faster than making 3,000,000 passengers just get into + SAFELY out of a Virtual STNDING Train with that Capacity.
How Quick the 2Gs (Gas + German) were!
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.. which I took as indicating some skepticism towards the figure I quoted, rather than as a simple statement of fact. Maybe the fact your profile says you are in Iran led me to the wrong conclusion; that country and it's President are, of course, notorious for politically motivated Holocaust 'revisionism'. I certainly wasn't questioning your arithmetic!

My response was only to make clear that sadly they were that "quick", together with a brief indication as to why.
 
I have no Idea as to how many were killed and I doubt if anybody will know the exact number. But I am convinced that there were at least 2 camps that were extremely effective killing factories, Dachau and Auswitz. From the set up they were high speed high capacity facilities designed with the efficiency of any automobile factory in the world.

The simple fact that they were if designed as such, is a horror in itself even if they had not been used. It is a horror that we should never forget. History has a tendency to repeat itself if it is forgotten. Next time it can be you and me that are sent to a death camp, if we ever let our guard down and ignore the ease with which it happened.
 
Holocaust: The Auschwitz Gas Chambers

"There was a sign 'to disinfection'. He said 'you see, they are bringing children now'. They opened the door, threw the children in and closed the door. There was a terrible cry. A member of the SS climbed on the roof. The people went on crying for about ten minutes. Then the prisoners opened the doors. Everything was in disorder and contorted. Heat was given off. the bodies were loaded on a rough wagon and taken to a ditch. The next batch were already undressing in the huts. After that I didn't look at my wife for four weeks."

From the testimony of SS private Boeck (Langbein, quoted in Pressac, 181)
 
Rav and others, please dig from wherever you like, then summarize it here. This is how we help one another?!

Trumble, I represent nobody save myself.
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AzizMostafa said:
Rav and others, please dig from wherever you like, then summarize it here. This is how we help one another?!

Trumble, I represent nobody save myself.
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Aziz, how are you from Iran and on this site when I believe I have read one of our members was in Iran and found out this site was banned. Just curious.

Anyway, I have family, basically all of them, that died in the Holocaust, except a few. The ones that survived saw the mass gasings, the shootings, the burnings, the torture.

Why do you care so much about the Holocaust, because of your president? How about you explain why.
 
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Aziz, how are you from Iran and on this site when I believe I have read one of our members was in Iran and found out this site was banned. Just curious.
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He's an Iraqi living in Iran, and had been teaching Arabic to Malaysian children years ago.... :okay:
 
I've seen the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. featured in "5 Takes:USA" via Discovery Travel and Living channel...

I would like to go there... it's so touching...:cry:

Are there any Holocaust memorials or museums in Asia-Pacific region?
 
when i was in germany last summer, i visited a holocaust camp... and i saw the gas chambers, and in the walls you could see nail marks because people were being gassed to death and trying to escape. i can only imagine how horrible that must have been. never in my life had i cried so much until i visited that concentration camp. just seeing those gas chambers, and this and that.. it was terrible.

and it wasn't just jews either. homosexuals were gassed, mentally challenged, and catholics.

the nazi's would even make the parents shoot their own children.. isn't that just terrible?
 
> Aziz, how are you from Iran and on this site when I believe I have read
> one of our members was in Iran and found out this site was banned. Just curious.

Just look again:
http://www.islamicboard.com/general-chat/32340-l-i-iran.html

> Anyway, I have family, basically all of them, that died in the Holocaust, except a few.
> The ones that survived saw the mass gasings, the shootings, the burnings, the torture.

Sorry to hear about that. Hope all the murdered rest in peace.

> Why do you care so much about the Holocaust, because of your president? How about you explain why.

My President has to care about the Holocaust in Iraq, because of US+UK presence? Needless to explain why he —and those of the same wavelength — have been shaking hands with the yesterday Makers + Breakers of the pulled-out-of-the-hole ex-president!
 
Thanks Thirdwatch512 + North_malaysian for sharing your observations.
Just 5 Questions:
1. What was the dimension —capacity— of the largest Gas Chambers you saw?
2. What are the Doors/Gates of the Chambers made of?
3. Did you see any locked Chamber? or any lock?
4. What kind of nails do the marks reveal? 2 or 3-headed Curved nails?
5. Did you notice any other mark other than the nails?
Thanks
 
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