Homophobia, not injustice, is what really fires the faiths

[Malaikah]

Then lets leave it to god. Or do you think god needs your help to keep other people in line?

And the law/courts/jails exist for what exactly...? To look pretty?:?

Why don't we just leave it to God to deal with the murders, rapists, thieves, and put away our legal system?:rollseyes

And before you say it isn't a valid point- homosexuality is a crime in Islam, just like tradition crimes are a crime because they effect other people, so to does homosexuality (by spreading corruption and immorality in the land/society)... and again before you say that it is none of our business what people do in their own privacy, that is true, it is between them and God... but when they make it public, it isn't between them and God anymore, because the public have become aware of it and are influenced by it.

 

[root]

Nice to see homophobia is alive and well within Islm, spare a thought the next time you come accross the word "Islamaphobia"..............

I watched a stoning to death on video the other day, all those humble loyal and faithfull servents/slaves of allah digging a hole in the ground, lowering the "sinners" into the pit so the shoulders and head were visible. with a white bag covering from toe to head, then everyone threw "regulated size" stones until the "victims were dead"

The crowd were very excited by it all, and seemed to enjoy the pain, suffering and death inflicted upon those people and I thought

"yes, Islam. The way of peace and compassion from a forgiving god" No doubt for gay people, you would simply throw them off the highest point. Just like your compassionate and peace loving god claims...........

Animals, seem to have better morals at times.................

 

[Muezzin]

Root, what was the point of that little tirade? Why are you painting with such broad strokes that you make Islam itself look like a barbaric religion, rather than just a group of bloodthirsty idiots in the video you mentioned? Are you not aware that you have now, by generalising, sunk to the level of those homophobic Muslims you seem to dislike so much? If you are aware, do you feel somehow better about yourself by posting anti-Islamic rhetoric in revenge for the views expressed by certain Muslims on this thread?

Or am I grossly overanalysing what is simply a hissy fit of sorts?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Religions have always justified inequality and discrimination by calling it god's will. It is just Homophobia and other concepts of superority.

a man has lost all shame and completely let loose his values when he is ok with his brother/sister/mother/father being a homosexual. Can you imagine your own daughter being with another woman? doesnt this make you sick?

ok i could understand if your talking about inequality towards race/age/gendre etc but your talking about homosexuals... they cant even reproduce. You'd expect them to take the sign, ITS NOT NORMAL!!

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Nice to see homophobia is alive and well within Islm, spare a thought the next time you come accross the word "Islamaphobia"..............

I watched a stoning to death on video the other day, all those humble loyal and faithfull servents/slaves of allah digging a hole in the ground, lowering the "sinners" into the pit so the shoulders and head were visible. with a white bag covering from toe to head, then everyone threw "regulated size" stones until the "victims were dead"

The crowd were very excited by it all, and seemed to enjoy the pain, suffering and death inflicted upon those people and I thought

"yes, Islam. The way of peace and compassion from a forgiving god" No doubt for gay people, you would simply throw them off the highest point. Just like your compassionate and peace loving god claims...........

Animals, seem to have better morals at times.................

seemed cruel didnt it? if only you could see the punishment which waits for them in the hereafter.

if a gay man repents then Allaah is the most merciful, but when the people have tried to help him, given him all avenues, extended his arms of mercy and yet the man defies and insists in his perverted dispicible nature then as sad as it seems its this man who brings the suffering unto himself !

 

[Muezzin]

Then lets leave it to god. Or do you think god needs your help to keep other people in line?

By that logic, we'd leave drug abusers to God, too. After all, they're only hurting themselves and nobody else. Nope, they don't need any help from their fellow man whatsoever.

NOTE: I am not equating drug abusers with homosexuals. I am not saying homosexuals need to be 'corrected' or anything of the sort. I am simply pointing out the fallacy of that 'leave it to God' principle.

Of course, you will now attempt to discredit my argument because I am Muslim, therefore incapable of making an unbiased decision about such matters, and, per your agenda, I am merely being the good little religious homophobe that my faith tells me to be, as if my beliefs rob me of my opinions.

 

[Fishman]

I think most Muslims here except possibly Muezzin seem to think that gays make a choice to have homosexual desires. As stated by the following Fatwa, the desires themselves are not haram, it's liking those desires and acting upon them that is:
http://www.islamtoday.com/show_detail_section.cfm?q_id=631&main_cat_id=33

The People of Lut (pbuh) did not simply have feelings towards men, they followed them and endulged in them to the extreme. These actions are what the Quran condemns, not people who have gay feelings but hate them and want to be straight!

I think people need to keep some sense here. Why on Earth would any straight person choose to be gay?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

I think most Muslims here except possibly Muezzin seem to think that gays make a choice to have homosexual desires. As stated by the following Fatwa, the desires themselves are not haram, it's liking those desires and acting upon them that is:
http://www.islamtoday.com/show_detail_section.cfm?q_id=631&main_cat_id=33

The People of Lut (pbuh) did not simply have feelings towards men, they followed them and endulged in them to the extreme. These actions are what the Quran condemns, not people who have gay feelings but hate them and want to be straight!

I think people need to keep some sense here. Why on Earth would any straight person choose to be gay?

a man is not considered a gay till he acts towards his desires and openly declares it thus releasing all shame !

 

[Fishman]

a man is not considered a gay till he acts towards his desires and openly declares it thus releasing all shame !

I kind of agree with that. Unfortunately when we say that we disagree with homosexuality, non-Muslims misread our opinions...

 

[KAding]

I kind of agree with that. Unfortunately when we say that we disagree with homosexuality, non-Muslims misread our opinions...

Well, many non-Muslims in the West think it is unreasonable to expect them to simply suppress their sexuality. Besides, these same people probably disagree that that homosexual sex would be more immoral or disgusting than hetrosexual sex. So the is not really about misreading.

 

[wilberhum]

Homophobia that is all it is, no more no less. How sick.
All of you who so eagerly get in line to justify your hate and discrimination are the first to scream when it is pointed it you.
Why aren’t you out condemning all those that eat pork?
When it comes to sex you must have more hang-ups than a cloak closet.
What a sad lot that concerns them with what others do that does not affect them.
I guess you just feel required to do that to confirm your superiority over others.
Those that justify there discrimination are the sickest and most discussing of humanity.
No wonder Islamaphobia is growing.

 

[north_malaysian]

People who have homosexual desires, but hate being homosexual

Isn't that amounted to "hypocrisy"?

Have the desire but hate having that desire....:rollseyes

Maybe we should say "People who have homosexual desires, but refrain themselves from doing homosexual acts"

But if a man having desires for male only, suddenly marrying a woman, isn't that like 'cheating' the wife?

Are there methods to decrease/destroy the homosexual desires?:rollseyes

 

[Dawud_uk]

Homophobia that is all it is, no more no less. How sick.
All of you who so eagerly get in line to justify your hate and discrimination are the first to scream when it is pointed it you.
Why aren’t you out condemning all those that eat pork?
When it comes to sex you must have more hang-ups than a cloak closet.
What a sad lot that concerns them with what others do that does not affect them.
I guess you just feel required to do that to confirm your superiority over others.
Those that justify there discrimination are the sickest and most discussing of humanity.
No wonder Islamaphobia is growing.

why would i condemn eating pork on a thread about homosexuality?

 

[Dawud_uk]

Isn't that amounted to "hypocrisy"?

Have the desire but hate having that desire....:rollseyes

Maybe we should say "People who have homosexual desires, but refrain themselves from doing homosexual acts"

But if a man having desires for male only, suddenly marrying a woman, isn't that like 'cheating' the wife?

Are there methods to decrease/destroy the homosexual desires?:rollseyes

yes, there are such methods but it requires good taqwa and action and from that it becomes easier to remove such immoral desires in just the same way as a habitual thief can stop thieving and i am sure he will see opportunities to steal all the time but can resist if he is a good practicing muslim and knows that even though he thinks no one knows what he is doing, Allah always knows.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Malaikah]

Those that justify there discrimination are the sickest and most discussing of humanity.

Yeh, smart people like to discuss stuff before they make up their minds... ;D

 

[Muezzin]

Homophobia that is all it is, no more no less. How sick.
All of you who so eagerly get in line to justify your hate and discrimination are the first to scream when it is pointed it you.
Why aren’t you out condemning all those that eat pork?
When it comes to sex you must have more hang-ups than a cloak closet.
What a sad lot that concerns them with what others do that does not affect them.
I guess you just feel required to do that to confirm your superiority over others.
Those that justify there discrimination are the sickest and most discussing of humanity.
No wonder Islamaphobia is growing.

If that diatribe was in reference to my post, I suggest you read it again without prejudice this time. If it was not, I suggest you stop making generalisations. It makes it look as if you have a superiority complex.

 

[Snowflake]

Homophobia that is all it is, no more no less. How sick.
All of you who so eagerly get in line to justify your hate and discrimination are the first to scream when it is pointed it you.
Why aren’t you out condemning all those that eat pork?
When it comes to sex you must have more hang-ups than a cloak closet.
What a sad lot that concerns them with what others do that does not affect them.
I guess you just feel required to do that to confirm your superiority over others.
Those that justify there discrimination are the sickest and most discussing of humanity.
No wonder Islamaphobia is growing.

I think you're a tad confused there Wilberhum. What's discrimination against homosexuality got to do with pork or islamophobia? Muslims aren't the only one's discriminatiing against it. So are the Christians & Jews. And in case you haven't notice muslims also condemn muslims practicing homosexuality. What you fail to see is that all normal societies see homosexuality as a social disease that is recognised by all the major religions.

When it comes to sex you must have more hang-ups than a cloak closet.

lol, if having hang-ups means being straight i.e normal, then yes we have hang-ups.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Homophobia that is all it is, no more no less. How sick.
All of you who so eagerly get in line to justify your hate and discrimination are the first to scream when it is pointed it you.
Why aren’t you out condemning all those that eat pork?
When it comes to sex you must have more hang-ups than a cloak closet.
What a sad lot that concerns them with what others do that does not affect them.
I guess you just feel required to do that to confirm your superiority over others.
Those that justify there discrimination are the sickest and most discussing of humanity.
No wonder Islamaphobia is growing.

Actually that is not right. No-one has the right to condemn another person, we can condemn a certain act though. Saying something among the lines of "that act of that person is wrong. But that doesn't mean the whole person is wrong and every single thing he does is wrong.

 

[wilberhum]

Homophobia is an interesting phenomenon. What I find most interesting is that people usually use god as an excuse to justify there hatred.
But then I guess that can easily be explained if you examine some personal concepts of the nature of god. In today’s world events there are daily cases of torture and executions solely based on religious sect. On this form and another that I use to participate in, there are numerous examples where people justify killing people because of there religious choices or personal activates.
There are cases where they glorify those who kill innocent people and you never hear condemnation of those that innocent people as a matter of course. But then all you have to is redefine the meaning of innocent. In fact I see a lot of redefining to make distortions sound realistic.
There are always posts complaining about the discrimination that is aimed at them but are right there justifying there decimation of others.
But then I guess you can justify any thing if you conceder your self superior. Look how well it worked for Hitler.
But then I don’t know why I waist my time writing this. Those that justify there hatred of other who have done nothing to harm them are beyond the ability to understand the concept of tolerance.
So enjoy your hatred. You only harm yourself because no one you hate really cares what you think.
If there is a god and he is a just god, some will surly experience his justice for fostering hearted in his name.

So enjoy your hatred, I have nothing else to say.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Homophobia is an interesting phenomenon. What I find most interesting is that people usually use god as an excuse to justify there hatred.
But then I guess that can easily be explained if you examine some personal concepts of the nature of god. In today’s world events there are daily cases of torture and executions solely based on religious sect. On this form and another that I use to participate in, there are numerous examples where people justify killing people because of there religious choices or personal activates.
There are cases where they glorify those who kill innocent people and you never hear condemnation of those that innocent people as a matter of course. But then all you have to is redefine the meaning of innocent. In fact I see a lot of redefining to make distortions sound realistic.
There are always posts complaining about the discrimination that is aimed at them but are right there justifying there decimation of others.
But then I guess you can justify any thing if you conceder your self superior. Look how well it worked for Hitler.
But then I don’t know why I waist my time writing this. Those that justify there hatred of other who have done nothing to harm them are beyond the ability to understand the concept of tolerance.
So enjoy your hatred. You only harm yourself because no one you hate really cares what you think.
If there is a god and he is a just god, some will surly experience his justice for fostering hearted in his name.

So enjoy your hatred, I have nothing else to say.

hi,

look i dont hate gays, therefore i become religious and justify my hatred. i dislike their activities because they are sinful, and my views on that changed quite a lot when i become muslim.

i dislike gays because God has told me what they do is immoral, as i follow the Quran and sunnah totally or at least try to do, but i dont hate guys, i dislike their activities

Abu Abdullah