Homophobia, not injustice, is what really fires the faiths

[Playwright]

No, It was not me.

It was a friend i had met through a support group.As for the motive of the people that carried out the attacks, i have no idea what drove him to it.

He had overheard, as i mentioned before the problems my friend was having and how it was affecting his studies.

 

[جوري]

That is sad indeed.. I am sorry to hear that..

 

[Amadeus85]

In my opinion the term homophobia is invented to shut the mouths of everyone critical for homosexual way of life. I dont know much about average gays but I saw many times that gay activists are radically intolerant for others.

 

[Playwright]

Ah well,bad things happen to good people all the time. The only thing that gets me through a long day is one particular verse


"...Allah does not lay on any soul a burden except to the extent to which He has granted it; Allah brings about ease after difficulty" 65:7

 

[جوري]

Ah well,bad things happen to good people all the time. The only thing that gets me through a long day is one particular verse


"...Allah does not lay on any soul a burden except to the extent to which He has granted it; Allah brings about ease after difficulty" 65:7

you do understand that having homosexual feelings and sodomy are two separate things no?

All people can live without sex, but no one can live without feelings.

anyhow that is a topic for another day and another thread!

 

[Playwright]

Skye , I understand completely.

And its not about Sex. Its about not having to hide a part of yourself from people you love, on pain of exclusion from all you know and love.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

In my opinion the term homophobia is invented to shut the mouths of everyone critical for homosexual way of life. I dont know much about average gays but I saw many times that gay activists are radically intolerant for others.

So let's not tolerate them, then.

[:?]

Peace

 

[جوري]

Skye , I understand completely.

And its not about Sex. Its about not having to hide a part of yourself from people you love, on pain of exclusion from all you know and love.

in fact I think you should share this with an imam or a Muslim scholar, I think they would direct you to the right places and proper literature -- you might actually be surprised..

I assume the one who beat your friend wasn't another Muslim? It isn't the Islamic way to beat homosexuality out of someone.. but there is a way to channel what you are feeling appropriately...

This is psychological not physiological..for which you should indeed seek help and counseling.

peace

 

[doorster]

Greetings,


So let's not tolerate them, then.

[:?]

Peace

I never thought I'll see the day when I had to back Aaron but

where <Snip> did he say that ? :blind:

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

if only we could go right to the root of homosexuality

then people would know its not natural


in this case the root being the people of Lut (alaihissalaam)

 

[Playwright]

I assume the one who beat your friend wasn't another Muslim? It isn't the Islamic way to beat homosexuality out of someone.. but there is a way to channel what you are feeling appropriately...

He was not only Muslim, but also the same ethnicity as my friend. It is a mainly muslim university in London.

in fact I think you should share this with an imam or a Muslim scholar, I think they would direct you to the right places and proper literature -- you might actually be surprised..

Thats difficult. I havent gathered the nerve to try that on my own

This is psychological not physiological..for which you should indeed seek help and counseling.

As soon as i turn 18, i went for counseling. Psychiatrist even. Got put on meds. Sure they took away the feelings. And everything with them. The world was black and white for a while. Then i stopped.

 

[جوري]

if only we could go right to the root of homosexuality

then people would know its not natural


in this case the root being the people of Lut (alaihissalaam)

It is indeed psychological and at some point was classified in the DSM II as a form of sexual deviance.
Think of it in terms of heterosexuality and it will make better sense, is it indeed possible for you to develop very erotic feelings for someone you can't have? of course we have all been there, I challenge anyone to have gone through their entire teenage years without having had 'desires, strong attractions, crushes' on people they couldn't have.
Does everyone go jumping, or stalking people they have strong desires for? no it would be criminals for reasons pretty much societal, infringing upon the rights of another human being to satisfy an animal lust. Well homosexuality is infringing on the rights of Allah SWT --Allah's sanctuary is His prohibitions!

But he who falls into doubtful matters falls into that which is unlawful, like the shepherd who pastures around a sanctuary, all about grazing therein. Truly, every king has a sanctuary, and Allah's sanctuary is His prohibitions." (Related by Muslim).

 

[جوري]

He was not only Muslim, but also the same ethnicity as my friend. It is a mainly muslim university in London.

interesting.. but vigilante justice isn't part of Islamic jurisprudence!

Thats difficult. I havent gathered the nerve to try that on my own

Why not? you can write anonymously to

Ask the scholar-1

Ask the scholar-2
You have nothing to lose, except feeling alienated!

As soon as i turn 18, i went for counseling. Psychiatrist even. Got put on meds. Sure they took away the feelings. And everything with them. The world was black and white for a while. Then i stopped.

I am not going to ask you why you have stopped, but at least you know, you can go focusing on your school work, until things become more clear for you.

cheers

 

[Playwright]

Okay here is how i felt with the meds

Imagine a busy room, full of friends and family. There is an excitement and buzz in the air, stories are told, secrets are shared - there is a feeling that all is well in the air -You feel the highs, share the laughs and secrets

With them its like your in the room, but in a vacuum. You feel nothing.At all.

Not in my opinion a way to live.

Thank you for the links.

 

[جوري]

Okay here is how i felt with the meds

Imagine a busy room, full of friends and family. There is an excitement and buzz in the air, stories are told, secrets are shared - there is a feeling that all is well in the air -You feel the highs, share the laughs and secrets

With them its like your in the room, but in a vacuum. You feel nothing.At all.

Not in my opinion a way to live.

Thank you for the links.

how long have you been on meds? and what kind of meds were you given?
you need in general to give your body time to adjust to new medications in order for them to take effect, so you can in fact expect a period of a few weeks to months before you are back to your old self, also if a particular medication isn't working for you, you can speak with your GP about unfavorable side effects that you have to can live without.

I imagine some clinical judgment passed through a clinician's head before prescribing you meds, and wasn't a random act.. it isn't good to quit medications without supervision, that is as a general rule of thumb whether your meds have to do with depression or asthma or anything else therein in between!

cheers

 

[Playwright]

I had tried a a few (MAOIs most recently being the last resort)

I was on them for an entire year. Then i quit

 

[Playwright]

I had tried a a few. The GP did tell me some of them might not agree with me. We tried a few untill we finally set a dosage that 'suit' me (MAOIs most recently being the last resort)

I was on them for an entire year. Then i quit

 

[جوري]

I had tried a a few (MAOIs most recently being the last resort)

I was on them for an entire year. Then i quit

MAO are obsolete, and have a myriad of side effects, did they put you on SSRI's first before resorting to those?

 

[Playwright]

I was made well aware of these side affects,and they did state the side affects.- Zoloft being the first trial, with Lexapro working a bit more, before they made me try MAOI's

 

[جوري]

I was made well aware of these side affects,and they did state the side affects.- Zoloft being the first trial, with Lexapro working a bit more, before they made me try MAOI's

You should be on a med for at least 6 months before switching to another class of drugs..
I think it would be prudent for you to go back, perhaps this time ask for buspirone, see if that works for you? it works by a different mechanism than the other three classes including the TCA's which are actually not bad especially for folks who have chronic pain disorder..

but buspar if in fact they decide to put you on will need a period of two weeks to start working. You can't judge a medication from two days. You need to be patient, and not simply quit without supervision.

all the best

cheers