Homosexual Muslims. How can we tolerate them?

[sister herb]

Re: What is the guidance of Allah and the Practice of Prophet Muhammad ( )?

Salam alykum

I know personally some homosexual muslims. To me they are human beings. I can´t judge them as of my mind only Allah can judge.

 

[glo]

Re: What is the guidance of Allah and the Practice of Prophet Muhammad ( )?

Salam alykum

I know personally some homosexual muslims. To me they are human beings. I can´t judge them as of my mind only Allah can judge.

Well said. That's how I feel too.

 

[sister herb]

Re: What is the guidance of Allah and the Practice of Prophet Muhammad ( )?

Well said. That's how I feel too.

You are my sister in humatinity.

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: What is the guidance of Allah and the Practice of Prophet Muhammad ( )?

Salam alykum

I know personally some homosexual muslims. To me they are human beings. I can´t judge them as of my mind only Allah can judge.

:wa:

What if you see a person stealing things and become a thief? Do you not condemn their act?
Or, what about if a person you know very well (say your friends or family members) does sinful things (like stealing, or zina), do you not want to advise them to leave their sinful ways and repent, out of love for them (because you know that the acts are condemned by Allah SWT and hence carry consequences in the herefter)?

See, I made those hypothetical situation as analogy for homosexuality.
Homosexuality acts are severely condemned by Allah SWT and prohibitions against it are made very clear in the Qur'an.

Amd i find this rather fallacious:

I can´t judge them as of my mind only Allah can judge.

We are judging things and people every single day, and we base our judging on Al Qur'an and Sunnah. Except, we do not point finger and says "you are a criminal, you will go to hell".
There is even an occupation called "judge" for a society to function, otherwise how else are you going to punish people who do bad deeds?
But the best judge is Allah SWT.

Unless of course, you do not find homosexuality a big and serious crime against Allah SWT.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Re: What is the guidance of Allah and the Practice of Prophet Muhammad ( )?

Salam alykum

I know personally some homosexual muslims. To me they are human beings. I can´t judge them as of my mind only Allah can judge.

wa alaykum us-Salaam
dont forget to try guide them ukhtee :thumbs_up =)

 

[sister herb]

Re: What is the guidance of Allah and the Practice of Prophet Muhammad ( )?

wa alaykum us-Salaam
dont forget to try guide them ukhtee :thumbs_up =)

Salam alaykum

I try my best to guide them.

 

[syilla]

assallamualaikum all,

I'm in the situation where i have a customer who is homosexual... i feel i need to guide him but at the same time i know it would be difficult. He is not living in a muslim country that is one of the problems...and another is because of his islamic knowledge.

i felt that if i push him too far away...he would probably has lesser muslim's friends.

i just don't how i got stumble in this thread....but i'm really in a dilemma of handling this situation...because he openly expressed his feeling to his 'partner' and vice versa...huhu

hopefully anyone with more knowledge and in the same situation as me can share with me a thing or two. Jazakallah khayr in advance

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

I have one muslim sister here who believes she has born to wrong sex. So she believes she is man.

hew

Homosexual she is not. She is also mother. I have no idea how she can explain to her son that your mom thinks she is your dad.

:heated:

 

[friendofall]

I think some of you should be careful about being so quick to judge others. I certainly would argue homosexuality isn't a sinful action, however even if you believe it is, as an act that does not harm others, I would have thought you would have accepted that it is Allah who would decide whether or not a person is sinful or not, as in reality all of us sin everyday in different ways.

 

[aadil77]

I think some of you should be careful about being so quick to judge others. I certainly would argue homosexuality isn't a sinful action, however even if you believe it is, as an act that does not harm others, I would have thought you would have accepted that it is Allah who would decide whether or not a person is sinful or not, as in reality all of us sin everyday in different ways.

Yep and Allah has decided homosexual acts are sinful. You say its an act 'that does not harm others' - typical atheist mentallity - nothing wrong with anything unless it physically harms someone. Well I'd say taking it from behind must be quite painful, other than that it harms society - it harms the minds of young children who have to work out how such deviant and unnatural behaviour can be made acceptable.

Its funny hearing an atheist speak about sin, didn't know you guys had any morals.

 

[sabr*]

And I find this rather fallacious:

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

naidamar:

That is why my post should be reread. Muslims make judgments everyday. Those judgments should be based upon Quran and Sunnah. But the Western society and media push to make it unfashionable and intolerable to condemn or criticize homosexuality. Just review the sentimental posts in defense of a person being a homosexual and refusal to judge them. If you review those who hold this view review their last twenty post which I did and review for yourself the judgments being made.

This is the entire push worldwide to have homosexuality accepted and not view it as what it really is a deviant behavior that is against Allah's laws.

Before you categorized me as some fundamental radical that is intolerant consider that I am in the Islamic Board forum only to promote Allah's word as supreme. My personal biases or opinions are not required in Islam. Islam doesn't require our input. Allah has perfected this way of life.

You have no idea if a practicing Muslim has a Muslim homosexual within his family. They would be still condemned for the deviant behavior. No excuses. We are the best at creating excuses and fail at upholding what Allah and Rasul have legislated.

This isn't a personal attack on the posters who have defended people who are homosexual and their right to be homosexual this post is just stating the facts of the GLBTQ (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender and Queer) community efforts to normalize the deviant behavior in our everyday life like this is a civil rights crusade.

I posted with the best intentions and the best construction should be applied.

Jazakumullahu Khair

 

[friendofall]

Yep and Allah has decided homosexual acts are sinful. You say its an act 'that does not harm others' - typical atheist mentallity - nothing wrong with anything unless it physically harms someone. Well I'd say taking it from behind must be quite painful, other than that it harms society - it harms the minds of young children who have to work out how such deviant and unnatural behaviour can be made acceptable.

Its funny hearing an atheist speak about sin, didn't know you guys had any morals.

Well that shows what a narrow minded fool you are then.

Yes, I am an atheist, however make no mistake about it, I regard myself as a very 'moral' person. I spend my whole life trying my best to not buy goods than come off the back of exploitation, I don't eat meat because I think it's wrong to kill animals and I give as much of my piss poor salary to charity as I can, however I do not object to homosexuality, because what two people do in their bedroom is none of my business. Sure, I wouldn't like to be ****ed by a guy, but the reality is that many people do, and who am I to tell someone that this act is wrong?

The vast majority of Muslims are absolutely lovely people, however there are a section, yourself included who have a right high opinion of yourselves and you need to get a grip. I'm not going to engage in this debate with you any more, because we clearly have a differing opinion, and neither of us are going to budge, however I honestly think you are being naive in thinking that because one isn't a Muslim it means they are not moral people. There are many atheists who are extraordinarily moral people, there are many who are not. There are many muslims who are extremely moral, there are many who are not.

 

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Surah Al-An'am 6:82

It is those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah and worship none but Him Alone) and confuse not their belief with Zulm (wrong i.e. by worshipping others besides Allah), for them (only) there is security and they are the guided.

Zulm-wrongdoing

Jazakumullahu Khair

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam Alaykum

To my knowledge , as long as one testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammed pbuh is a slave and messenger of Allah , s/he is a Muslim. Commiting a major sin does not automatically take him /her out of religion.

And Allah knows Best.

 

[aadil77]

Well that shows what a narrow minded fool you are then.

Yes, I am an atheist, however make no mistake about it, I regard myself as a very 'moral' person. I spend my whole life trying my best to not buy goods than come off the back of exploitation, I don't eat meat because I think it's wrong to kill animals and I give as much of my piss poor salary to charity as I can, however I do not object to homosexuality, because what two people do in their bedroom is none of my business. Sure, I wouldn't like to be ****ed by a guy, but the reality is that many people do, and who am I to tell someone that this act is wrong?

You say you are a very 'moral' person, well the morals we are taught in our faith are we shouldn't boast to others about our good deeds.

I still don't understand how atheists can classify something as moral or immoral, what is your source for morality? You say 'who am I to tell someone that this act is wrong?', does this make any sense to you? By these standards I suppose you'd believe theres nothing wrong with self-harm, suicide and other acts people do in their bedrooms.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Re: What is the guidance of Allah and the Practice of Prophet Muhammad ( )?

:wa:

What if you see a person stealing things and become a thief? Do you not condemn their act?
Or, what about if a person you know very well (say your friends or family members) does sinful things (like stealing, or zina), do you not want to advise them to leave their sinful ways and repent, out of love for them (because you know that the acts are condemned by Allah SWT and hence carry consequences in the herefter)?

See, I made those hypothetical situation as analogy for homosexuality.
Homosexuality acts are severely condemned by Allah SWT and prohibitions against it are made very clear in the Qur'an.

Amd i find this rather fallacious:


We are judging things and people every single day, and we base our judging on Al Qur'an and Sunnah. Except, we do not point finger and says "you are a criminal, you will go to hell".
There is even an occupation called "judge" for a society to function, otherwise how else are you going to punish people who do bad deeds?
But the best judge is Allah SWT.

Unless of course, you do not find homosexuality a big and serious crime against Allah SWT.

I totally agree!

Right we don't want to push them away, but we also shouldn't let them do their business, that is if they are engaging in such a thing. We all sin yes, but comparing something as filthy as this to other sins? Come on now! Allah created Adam and Eve(as) not Adam and Steve! We should condemn such behavior because Allah and His Rasool(saw) disliked it. What Allah Loves we love and what Allah Hates or Dislikes, we do as well. We all sin, but what's the use if we don't help each other? If we all started minding our own business, we'd not be making any progress at all! No one should judge but we should help them!

May Allah(swt) guide us all, Ameen ya Rabb!

 

[friendofall]

You say you are a very 'moral' person, well the morals we are taught in our faith are we shouldn't boast to others about our good deeds.

I still don't understand how atheists can classify something as moral or immoral, what is your source for morality? You say 'who am I to tell someone that this act is wrong?', does this make any sense to you? By these standards I suppose you'd believe theres nothing wrong with self-harm, suicide and other acts people do in their bedrooms.

Aadil77, I thought very carefully about whether or not to write said deeds, however I decided that seeing as you questioned my morality it was only fair that I was able to respond. I also decided that considering you do not know me, saying those things was not something to big up my reputation or inflate my ego, as I am merely a username to all extents and purposes while posting on here.

Regarding if those acts are wrong, I would say that suicide or self harm are both tragedies, that should be stopped because anyone who wants to commit them clearly is mentally unwell, however I don't think they're 'immoral'. I get my morality from what I believe is right and wrong, which is exactly the same as where you do, because even if you say you get it from Allah, surely it is from your interpretation of Allah, as different Muslims interpret the Koran differently.

Take care.