Homosexuality being taught to 5yr olds

[imaad_udeen]

It is amassing what you can get with a headline. If anyone would read the original post with an open mind, you would see that the content does not support the headline. Read it again folks. Look for any supporting evidence that “Homosexuality is being taught”. This is nothing more than a sucker line to promote an anti gay agenda, and you just swallowed it hook line and sinker. Shame on you.
Wilber

From the article:

" Ever since her 5-year-old brought home a book from kindergarten that depicted a gay family"

Do you really think they just gave the kids a book without some explanation of why a family has two dads or two moms?

 

[wilberhum]

If you think "depicted a gay family' is teaching, then iI guess we just use different dictionaries.
Wilber

 

[Trumble]

If you think "depicted a gay family' is teaching, then iI guess we just use different dictionaries.
Wilber

Exactly.

They are not "teaching children values", they are teaching them facts. They are NOT teaching values or ethics, or claiming in any way that such 'family' units are "right" or "wrong", or even less preferable. They are telling the kids such units exist - which they do, and maybe helping those kids who have only one parent, or maybe gay 'parents', or adopted parents, stop feeling like freaks.

 

[imaad_udeen]

If you think "depicted a gay family' is teaching, then iI guess we just use different dictionaries.
Wilber

Definition of Teach:

To impart knowledge or skill to: teaches children.
To provide knowledge of; instruct in: teaches French.
To condition to a certain action or frame of mind: teaching youngsters to be self-reliant.
To cause to learn by example or experience: an accident that taught me a valuable lesson.
To advocate or preach: teaches racial and religious tolerance.
To carry on instruction on a regular basis in: taught high school for many years.

The child was 5 years old. 5 year olds do not need to be given books which depict homosexual relationships. (note, not homosexual sex, but the relationship, which could offend many of the childrens parents.)

The teachers cannot decide on their own if such a subject is to be taught to the children under their care. This is a subject best left to the parents.

 

[imaad_udeen]

Exactly.

They are not "teaching children values", they are teaching them facts. They are NOT teaching values or ethics, or claiming in any way that such 'family' units are "right" or "wrong", or even less preferable. They are telling the kids such units exist - which they do, and maybe helping those kids who have only one parent, or maybe gay 'parents', or adopted parents, stop feeling like freaks.

Five Years Old.

Rape exists, so should we teach five year olds about that?

Murder exists, so should we teach five year olds about that?

Transvestites exists, so should we teach five year olds about that?

People get sex changes, so should we teach five year olds about that?

Those are some things to think about. If we are going to cross this line, why not go all the way?

 

[wilberhum]

When I mind closes, does it make a sound?

The mind is like a parachute, it works best when open.

I don’t advocate practice, I advocate tolerance. And that is not what I see.

 

[Ghazi]

When I mind closes, does it make a sound?

The mind is like a parachute, it works best when open.

I don’t advocate practice, I advocate tolerance. And that is not what I see.

Salaam

Tolerance, I agree to an extent, for example I won't hate a gay person I'd hate the action.

 

[imaad_udeen]

When I mind closes, does it make a sound?

The mind is like a parachute, it works best when open.

I don’t advocate practice, I advocate tolerance. And that is not what I see.

This has nothing to do with tolerance. It is about indoctrinating young children with a certain social agenda. In this case it is advocating same sex families. Just because they exist does not make them right.

 

[wilberhum]

When I mind closes, does it make a sound?

[MAD] I'm off this thread.[/MAD]

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

First: I agree with those who say that educational material about any kind of sexuality is something that should be taught when children are above five years old. At what age such education should begin, I don't know - I'm certain that five is too young though.

Second: When sex education does begin, I don't think there's anything wrong with children being told that gay couples exist.

Third: In response to people who say that sex education is the responsibility of parents, the fact is that (at least where I come from) most parents are too embarrassed to bring up the subject with their kids, and by the time they do, the kids usually know all about it anyway. These are some of the reasons why sex education is on school curricula.

Peace

 

[Paul Williams]

What you need to understand, Wilbur, is that in the Qur'an homosexuality has very explicitly been forbidden. You also need to understand that muslims believe in what the Quran says as the truth. You should also realise that if a child grows up believing homosexuality is normal and not against Allahs command, his religion has effectively been compromised.

Salam,
I just wanted to say how much i agree with what you say, spot on!

Paul

 

[ISDhillon]

Greetings,

First: I agree with those who say that educational material about any kind of sexuality is something that should be taught when children are above five years old. At what age such education should begin, I don't know - I'm certain that five is too young though.

Second: When sex education does begin, I don't think there's anything wrong with children being told that gay couples exist.

Third: In response to people who say that sex education is the responsibility of parents, the fact is that (at least where I come from) most parents are too embarrassed to bring up the subject with their kids, and by the time they do, the kids usually know all about it anyway. These are some of the reasons why sex education is on school curricula.

well said I want to go further and say that children aswell as being taught heterosexual relationships and contraception they need to be taught the cause for aids etc but not that homosexuality causes aids, but that sodomy can be the cause of it so sodomy should be taught to children, I see no problem with this, if parents become sensitive to anything sexual children will venture more into the forbidden, let nothing be forbidden and talk about sex as you would apples and oranges and let it be just a life thing rather than a taboo, which we all know are meant to be indulged in. If this were to happen then the objective disorder would end in homos too cos thats what education does, can you tell who's a homo all the time?, we can only have a smoothly flowing society if everyone is able to "be" from word go, people with religious views keep them in your homes same goes for creationism and all the other stuff people want to pollute the curriculum with.

ISDhillon

 

[Imam786]

eww thats sick they dont need to teach that stuff in school....enough is enough..:heated:

 

[Abdullah4ever]

This is completlty sick, aboslutly sick. May allah guide them.Ameen.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

people with religious views keep them in your homes same goes for creationism and all the other stuff people want to pollute the curriculum with.

I could not agree more. Religious indoctrination occurring in schools is an idea that I find absolutely repellent. It's something that kids can be taught at home if that is their parents' wish, but at school? No way.

Peace

 

[Trumble]

Five Years Old.

Rape exists, so should we teach five year olds about that?

Murder exists, so should we teach five year olds about that?

Transvestites exists, so should we teach five year olds about that?

People get sex changes, so should we teach five year olds about that?

Those are some things to think about. If we are going to cross this line, why not go all the way?

Firstly what is at issue here is not "homosexual relationships", which imply sexual activity. As far as am aware, that is not depicted. To the child (as opposed to the parents) it is not even implied. It is merely people of the same sex living together and fulfilling what would normally be seen as parental roles.

With regard to the examples you give, I would argue that within their own terms of reference we do teach them about rape and murder, in the interests of their safety. You agree parents should teach their child never to accept gifts or go with strangers (except the police, or similar) if they become lost because "some people will do bad things to you" or similar? That is a concept they can grasp, and more would not be understood, or would just frighten unecessarily if it was. As to transvesticism and sex changes, again they are something a child would find difficult to understand, although it is something that should probably be attempted at least partially if the child knew either a transvestite or someone in the process of a sex change. Understanding issues apart I see no real reason to to mention those things other than prejudice.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

So effectively that means religion only exists in the home?

Religion should exist wherever people want it, except for the public education system. Assuming that children can make up their minds about what religion to follow, and therefore having Catholic schools or Muslim schools etc., is just as crazy as setting up schools favouring a particular political party and expecting kids to be able to make those decisions too. Of course, with a system of faith schools in place, children don't even have the chance to make up their own minds, since they are effectively indoctrinated from such a young age.

If a child at an impressionable young age is shown images that depict a gay family as normal and then later in life he hears that homosexuality is against his religion, the fact that it has been shoved into his mentality at an early age that homosexuality is ok the now grown up child would be more open to question his religion. BUT no muslim or even Christian would ever want that to happen to their child because they believe that it is wrong, which is ultimately due to the fact that they believe in their religion.

What is wrong with questioning your religion? You don't want to have blind faith, do you?

Certainly I believe that homosexuality has only just, for that last 15 years or so begun to be widely accepted as normal.

Have you ever heard of the Ancient Greeks? Homosexuality was a fundamental part of their culture.

Do you not think that the media plays any role in this? Where say people which hold a minority view are somehow able to influence a majority into accepting whatever they want?

Victimless "crimes" are all becoming more acceptable.

How does the idea that gay people exist actually upset or threaten you in any way?

Peace

 

[imaad_udeen]

Firstly what is at issue here is not "homosexual relationships", which imply sexual activity. As far as am aware, that is not depicted. To the child (as opposed to the parents) it is not even implied. It is merely people of the same sex living together and fulfilling what would normally be seen as parental roles.

With regard to the examples you give, I would argue that within their own terms of reference we do teach them about rape and murder, in the interests of their safety. You agree parents should teach their child never to accept gifts or go with strangers (except the police, or similar) if they become lost because "some people will do bad things to you" or similar? That is a concept they can grasp, and more would not be understood, or would just frighten unecessarily if it was. As to transvesticism and sex changes, again they are something a child would find difficult to understand, although it is something that should probably be attempted at least partially if the child knew either a transvestite or someone in the process of a sex change. Understanding issues apart I see no real reason to to mention those things other than prejudice.

But at the age of five?

Come on, thats absurd.

 

[Trumble]

But at the age of five?

Come on, thats absurd.

Why? Do you have children yourself? They are perfectly capable of understanding such things at that age as long as you phrase it in terms they can understand

Take a sex change. Let's assume the child's uncle, say, is on the path to 'gender re-assignment surgery', or whatever they call it these days. Somehow, you have to explain what is happening - the child will demand that you do. The little mite can hardly not notice that his uncle has started wearing a dress!! So you explain that "Uncle was made a boy, but should really have been a girl, and staying a boy makes him unhappy. So the nice doctors are helping him be a girl, so he will be happy again".. or words to that effect. They could understand that.. and the answer would be enough to avoid considerable confusion.

Or take a far more frequent occurence, divorce. You HAVE to explain, but to the kid the idea of marriage doesn't mean much, let alone divorce.. so you just explain it in a way they will understand. You can probably think of a few ways of doing that yourself.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not suggesting all children should get a lecture on sex changes or transvesticism! If the need should arise though, its best met head on rather than trying to ignore it.

 

[imaad_udeen]

Why? Do you have children yourself? They are perfectly capable of understanding such things at that age as long as you phrase it in terms they can understand

Take a sex change. Let's assume the child's uncle, say, is on the path to 'gender re-assignment surgery', or whatever they call it these days. Somehow, you have to explain what is happening - the child will demand that you do. The little mite can hardly not notice that his uncle has started wearing a dress!! So you explain that "Uncle was made a boy, but should really have been a girl, and staying a boy makes him unhappy. So the nice doctors are helping him be a girl, so he will be happy again".. or words to that effect. They could understand that.. and the answer would be enough to avoid considerable confusion.

Or take a far more frequent occurence, divorce. You HAVE to explain, but to the kid the idea of marriage doesn't mean much, let alone divorce.. so you just explain it in a way they will understand. You can probably think of a few ways of doing that yourself.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not suggesting all children should get a lecture on sex changes or transvesticism! If the need should arise though, its best met head on rather than trying to ignore it.

I do have a child of that age and it is absurd to think about talking about these issues with him. I want him to enjoy his time at this age. I want him to be innocent for a while. He has plenty of time in the future to learn of these things when he can better understand certain dynamics.

I think it is absurd what this school did and I would be beside myself with rage if someone tried to push this on my son.