Homosexuality is natural?

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That's true,I find it so silly though,if you just know how he treats my Muslim and Christian friends..he trolls everyone,he talks a lot about Christianity and Islam and how these 2 religions are a "joke"
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Don't bother with these type of people, they just get a kick out of annoying others. They try to push their "logical" beliefs on believers. I mean you're arguing with someone who thinks we were created by accident. Like how illogical can you get?

I kind of understand why he sees Christianity as a joke though. They contradict their own books.
 
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atheists try way too hard to push their beliefs down our throats... Talk about irony...
 
Al Sultan said:
As I said,I will revise the previous answers and hit it with this.I see,it's just basically to test us right ?
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we don't know his intentions, he could be just clowning around for attention or he could be half serious. If you go in with facts like that then you will find out if he is serious and will look into it more or if he will just play it down
 
I just want to do my part... also no one seems to reply to my 3 questions just so I can get the picture of this issue,



1-Homosexuality is not natural what so ever


2- We can't classify everything as "natural"

3-It's the hormones that are doing these things (I don't want to write it all but I get the message)

wa assalamo alikum.
 
also no one seems to reply to my 3 questions just so I can get the picture of this issue
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I thought those were your summative points, not questions . You need to put a ? at the end so we know :)

1-Homosexuality is not natural what so ever
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It is not natural as it goes against the whole nature of the continual survival of any species. If everyone is gay, then how do they reproduce and have offspring? It's a sure way to die off and go extinct. It is a deviation from the norm caused by some factor or another (ex. hormonal imbalance, genetic mutation, social dominance and alliance).

2- We can't classify everything as "natural"
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No, just because it exists in nature, doesn't mean it is necessarily "natural". Atheists are all about science and facts so they should know more than anyone that scientific research must be done before a conclusion can be reached, not just show a video of gay animals and conclude it to be natural.


3-It's the hormones that are doing these things (I don't want to write it all but I get the message)
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1. Nature - Biologically : hormones, development of certain glands, genetic mutations
2. Nurture - Environmental : social dominance , conformity, allegiance, or deviation
 
aaj said:
I thought those were your summative points, not questions . You need to put a ? at the end so we know :)



It is not natural as it goes against the whole nature of the continual survival of any species. If everyone is gay, then how do they reproduce and have offspring? It's a sure way to die off and go extinct. It is a deviation from the norm caused by some factor or another (ex. hormonal imbalance, genetic mutation, social dominance and alliance).



No, just because it exists in nature, doesn't mean it is necessarily "natural". Atheists are all about science and facts so they should know more than anyone that scientific research must be done before a conclusion can be reached, not just show a video of gay animals and conclude it to be natural.




1. Nature - Biologically : hormones, development of certain glands, genetic mutations
2. Nurture - Environmental : social dominance , conformity, allegiance, or deviation
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Ok Jazak Allah Khair brother thanks everyone for the help!! May Allah bless you all !! ❤️❤️❤️
 
If I was living my life like the minority of animals, I'd be locked up tight
 
Alas, I must speak.
Homosexuality. I do not understand it. I cannot relate to it. HOWEVER: can we, as infallible humans, condemn punishment for this? I have no doubt there is scripture, hadiths, condemning this. But when do we allow God to be the supreme ruler of time, space, and dimension? Methinks fundamentalism, in any form, tries to assume His will..Dangerous. Let Him enforce His will. I believe in God.
 
GodIsAll said:
Let Him enforce His will. I believe in God.
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To an important extent, He uses us to do that. In my impression, our Beloved Master is a bit like that. I don't know exactly, because there are so many ways in which He is incomprehensible. And in the end, Allah knows best!
 
GodIsAll said:
Alas, I must speak.
Homosexuality. I do not understand it. I cannot relate to it. HOWEVER: can we, as infallible humans, condemn punishment for this?
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Can we condemn homosexuality or condemn the punishment given for homosexuality?

Former is already done in Islam, latter is going against the will of God and against God.

I have no doubt there is scripture, hadiths, condemning this.
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Yes, there is for condemning this act of immorality. Unless you mean the punishment given for this act, then I'd like to see you find one for us.

But when do we allow God to be the supreme ruler of time, space, and dimension?
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Because He is ? Unless you have some different definition of what God is?

Methinks fundamentalism, in any form, tries to assume His will..Dangerous. Let Him enforce His will. I believe in God.
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He does through the Islamic law/governance. We are His appointed trustees who carry out that law.
 
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Identical twin studies prove homosexuality is not genetic

Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way. “At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics. Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay. “Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.” Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. “No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.” Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other. For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other. “These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says. The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead. “Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.” A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000. In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be. “Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual.” “Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes. Even more remarkable, most of the changes occur without counseling or therapy. “These changes are not therapeutically induced, but happen ‘naturally’ in life, some very quickly,” Dr. Whitehead observes. “Most changes in sexual orientation are towards exclusive heterosexuality.” Numbers of people who have changed towards exclusive heterosexuality are greater than current numbers of bisexuals and homosexuals combined. In other words, ex-gays outnumber actual gays. The fluidity is even more pronounced among adolescents, as Bearman and Brueckner’s study demonstrated. “They found that from 16 to 17-years-old, if a person had a romantic attraction to the same sex, almost all had switched one year later.” “The authors were pro-gay and they commented that the only stability was among the heterosexuals, who stayed the same year after year. Adolescents are a special case—generally changing their attractions from year to year.” Still, many misconceptions persist in the popular culture. Namely, that homosexuality is genetic – so hard-wired into one’s identity that it can’t be changed. “The academics who work in the field are not happy with the portrayals by the media on the subject,” Dr. Whitehead notes. “But they prefer to stick with their academic research and not get involved in the activist side.”
 
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You think Shaitans only victims are human. They attack animals as well. The difference is we are accountable not them. That's why there is homosexual acts in the animal kingdom.
 
Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Just to add their have been cases of people being possessed by homosexual shaitaan leading them to homosexuality, although this does not mean all homosexuals are possessed and neither that all jinn and shaitaan are homosexual.
 
Animals also rape each other, does mean we should let rapists be since it's in nature too?
 
Just ask yourself why gays are not allowed to donate blood. Ask yourself why doctors do not allow it. :)
 
Is it natural?
Are people born that way?
Can they help it?

These are all the wrong questions. The question should be

What does God say about it?

End of discussion...
 

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