Homosexualls in Islam

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Whatsthepoint said:
I personally consider it a great progress, emancipation of homosexuals and other sexual minorities is one of the most important achievements of recent social developments in the western world.
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In my opinion the society in Europe is now in much worse state than lets say 50 years ago. The amount of divorces, kids being raised by single parents, children born out of marriage, broken families, total apathy in the society. Treating relationship of two men as "normal relationship" goes well with all these "advances" of our societies.
 
islamirama said:
Well i guess not much can be said about lewd people, especially considering their president's own daughter is a lesbo....

Today homos can go have a gay party, tomorrow incest will be legal (not that it's not happening already in europe), society reflects the beliefs of it's people and the people are getting more and more lewd and disgusting while others approve all this in the name of "progress and emancipation"
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I believe you are refering to the vice president's daughter, Mary Cheney.
Perhaps incest will be legal someday, though it is not as morally unambiguous as homosexuality is, as it can result in genetic deficiencies in offspring.
 
Aaron85 said:
In my opinion the society in Europe is now in much worse state than lets say 50 years ago. The amount of divorces, kids being raised by single parents, children born out of marriage, broken families, total apathy in the society. Treating relationship of two men as "normal relationship" goes well with all these "advances" of our societies.
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LGBT rights have nothing to do with divorce stats or singe parent families.
And why complain about not enough people getting married and in the same breath ban two others from marrying.
 
Muezzin said:
I'll be the judge of that.

Time for a little cleanup... Man, we need a janitor.
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Leave it as it is. Deleting posts ruins the thread.
Polygamy has a place in homosexual-related threads as much as much as it does in UK-sharia-courts-related threads.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Leave it as it is. Deleting posts ruins the thread.
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Oops. Perhaps members should stay on topic in that case.

Polygamy has a place in homosexual-related threads as much as much as it does in UK-sharia-courts-related threads.
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Not really.

Like I said, this thread is on shaky ground to begin with. I've probably extended its life before lock by a few hours.

Enjoy the discussion.

Edit: Also, certain members have been insulting others for having an opposing point of view. Continue and you will receive warnings for Beef.
 
Anyway, killing homosexuals, as well as their imprisonment, is barbaric and has no place in a civilized society.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Anyway, killing homosexuals, as well as their imprisonment, is barbaric and has no place in a civilized society.
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What civilized society?

the one that wages illegal wars and commits holocausts after holocausts?
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the one that that teaches its kids to start fornicating soon as they hit puberty?
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the one that whose priests like fondling little boys and girls?
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the one where pornography is as common as popcorn?
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the one where society is addicted to sex?

Any society that allows such immoral, indecent, and unnatural acts is a barbaric, uncivilized and backward society.
 
the one that wages illegal wars and commits holocausts after holocausts?
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Rwanda is a western society? Sudan is a western society? Serbia is a western society? Truth is, all societies start illegal wars and commit genocides if conditions are right. I bet even the Bahais or the Armenians and all the other little, peaceful communities would go around bombing and conquering if they were strong enough to.

the one that that teaches its kids to start fornicating soon as they hit puberty?
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Yes, I agree, but this is not just done in the west. It is probably a mark of 'modernisation' in general, rather than westernisation. But since the west is the most 'modernised' society technologically and economically, it is hard to tell.

the one that whose priests like fondling little boys and girls?
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There are many cases of Imams and teachers in Madrassas doing these things too. They just aren't as well-reported. I get a feeling that some Hindu and Sikh temples probably have these goings on in them as well. If there is not enough done to protect children then any weirdo can do as they please, regardless of the intent of the actual institution.

the one where pornography is as common as popcorn?
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Most people in the west hate porno and think it is disgusting. What is actually defined as porn, however, is a bit dodgy, probably due to so-called 'modernisation'.

the one where society is addicted to sex?
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Yeah, I agree with this as well. But again, it could happen anywhere, not just the west. You could even accuse Shakespeare of this, though what he thought was a dirty joke is nothing compared to today's comedy.

Any society that allows such immoral, indecent, and unnatural acts is a barbaric, uncivilized and backward society.
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I wouldn't say 'uncivilised'. There is a big difference between an ancient German worrior and today's people, wouldn't you say?
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Whatsthepoint said:
Anyway, killing homosexuals, as well as their imprisonment, is barbaric and has no place in a civilized society.
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Got to admit I am with you on this subject, whatever a person chooses to do with their body is their discision to make. I am surprised that people really find it acceptible to condone killing in Allahs name, Allah is all forgiving and it is not for mere slaves to make any judgement on Allahs creations. What if a person was about to revert, if a life is entrusted to a Muslim it cannot be right to take that life surely, peace to all
 
TKTony said:
Got to admit I am with you on this subject, whatever a person chooses to do with their body is their discision to make. I am surprised that people really find it acceptible to condone killing in Allahs name, Allah is all forgiving and it is not for mere slaves to make any judgement on Allahs creations. What if a person was about to revert, if a life is entrusted to a Muslim it cannot be right to take that life surely, peace to all
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Given that you need to have four, adult, male Muslim witnesses to even stand a chance of punishing somebody with hudud punishments (ie. stoning, beheading), then it is pretty hard to kill somebody for just doing what they want in private.
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if it's a persoal choice and each on e is free to do whatever thy want with their boby why god destroyed the people of lut then or do we know best than allah ?????
 
brotherinfaith said:
it's not our opinion to kill but what the prophet said about them and that is a hadith sahih
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refer to post #18.

generally, society begins to accept open homosexuality at the time it peaks materially/intellectually. generally it's also a sign of impending weakness/decline. on the other hand when a society-usually backward- begins to identify homosexuals as bad and in need of punishment, that's one of the signs of it becoming stronger,usually the enemy's/others moral decay-including homosexuality- is used as a rallying cry against them,in contrast to perceived purity. simply look at all the 'Barbarian' invasions that occurred through history, against more 'civilized' societies like the Romans,Persians, Abbasids etc.
 
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the opinion that the companions were unanimously agreed to the execution of homosexuals is a claim that needs much backing. these are only the words of a single scholar who claimed they were unanimously agreed and was picked up and is usually flung about as some sort of indisputable proof. even if all the companions were agreed to that, it still is not binding since there are no saheeh ahadith or verse that explicitly state so, there are only weak ahadith. again, post #18
 
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