Houses of Wisdom

[ardianto]

bro Ardianto

I remember watching a program years back talking about Indonesia's strong aircraft manufacturing industry. How is it doing now? How is the quality and the range of aircraft that are made in the country?

Wa'alaikumsalam, brother.

Alhamdulillah, Indonesian Aerospace (Dirgantara Indonesia) still exist and even always get contract.

http://malaysiaflyingherald.wordpress.com/2012/08/02/iae-booked-usd-848-million-contract-until-2016/

Yes, Indonesian Aerospace (IAe) is strong because it could survive after collapse due to economic crisis that happened in 1998. Even performance of IAe now is better compared with before economic crisis.

Website : http://www.indonesian-aerospace.com/index.php

Aircraft products : http://www.indonesian-aerospace.com/view.php?m=product&t=aircraft

IAe excellent product for this time is CN-235 that designed together with CASA (now Airbus Military) Spain. The first flight of both countries was in late of 1983 (Spain in November, Indonesia in December). Then both countries develop their own variants. CN -235 that manufactured in Indonesia have been exported to Malaysia, Brunei, Thailand, Philippine, Pakistan, UAE, Burkina Faso, Senegal, and South Korea.

One of four Pakistan Air Force CN-235. Made in Indonesia.


Will Be produced

N-219. Light transport aircraft designed by Indonesian Aerospace for multi-purpose missions in remote areas. Have been ordered 20 units.

N-250. In 1995 IPTN (now Indonesian Aerospace) have made two prototypes of passenger airplane with capacity 50 seats (N-250) and 68 seats (N-250 100). N-250 program stopped because IPTN was interested to develop jet airplane N-2130. However, N-2130 plan stopped in 1997 due to economic crisis. Now IAe is waiting an order from BJ Habibie to build new version of N-250.

Bacharuddin Jusuf (BJ) Habibie. The third president of Indonesia, and former head of ICMI (Indonesian Muslim intellectual association). Hold 46 patents in aeronautica!

BJ Habibie was designer of N-250. He worked for Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm, Germany with last position as vice president of technology. President Soeharto called him back to Indonesia in 1973 to develop national aircraft industry. He was minister of research and technology until early of 1998. Become vice president for few month, and finally became the third president of Indonesia. IPTN (now IAe) was under his ministry.


Photo galery

CN-235 under manufacturing process.

Super Puma helicopter under manufacturing process.

Wing components for Airbus 380.

CN-235 that ordered by Senegal.

Three CN-235 that ready to deliver to the buyers.

CN-235 220-MPA (Maritime Patrol Aircraft). Variant that developed only by Indonesian Aerospace.

 

[ardianto]

The problem with this example (Indonesia) is that they are manufacturing new products using technology that is already currently on the market, and scientific breakthru's that were not discovered by Muslims - what we were discussing was NEW TECHNOLOGY, and NEW SCIENCE, which we don't see Muslims bringing to the world... when was the last time a Muslim got the noble prize for something that contributed to the advancement of beneficial technology? or a break through in science?

Defining the examples in context, within this discussion will be key, i think.

best question to ask will be "what have the Muslims invented in the past 100 years?" anyone say IED's i will bite your head off

Scimi

Few Indonesian products in the 21st century.

CC 300 locomotive and train coaches from PT INKA, Madiun.

Railbus, by PT INKA, Madiun

Armored Personel Carrier "Anoa" by Pindad military industry

Krait Class navy ship

Banjarmasin Class navy ship


Yes bro, the products above were designed and made based on technologies that already exist in the market. But at least it's still better than did not try to make national products and always depend on other countries.

Insha Allah, in the future Indonesian people will innovate many important innovation. From what I've seen, the Indonesian youth nowadays are better than my generation.

Noble prize?. The most important thing that Muslim majority countries should do now is develop their industries to reduce their dependency to non-Muslim countries. It's okay if now Muslims use and develop technologies that available in the market. If we have familiar with developing other people technologies, we will easier to invent something.

 

[Muhaba]

i think if ppl didn't run around after money, then they might think of giving time to something more valuable. da'wah is also very necessary. how many ppl go to the west to live and earn but don't do da'wah nor learn the religion themselves nor practice well. and their characters resemble those around them and not true Muslims!

 

[Abu Loren]

i think if ppl didn't run around after money, then they might think of giving time to something more valuable. da'wah is also very necessary. how many ppl go to the west to live and earn but don't do da'wah nor learn the religion themselves nor practice well. and their characters resemble those around them and not true Muslims!

I was thinking this the other day tbh no lie!

I think some Muslims in the West are ashamed to be muslims. No really.

 

[Scimitar]

Some of them, yes... they're usually young, or just too involved in dunyaa to care.

... I live in London Uk, and we have a good amount of Muslims who look like Muslims around here. infact, our masjids are packed to overspill around here, and we got three masjids within 10 miunutes walking distance from my house. All packed

 

[Ahmad H]

I was thinking this the other day tbh no lie!

I think some Muslims in the West are ashamed to be muslims. No really.

you are correct. There are Muslims who do seem to be ashamed to be Muslim. But, it may not be they are ashamed, but they keep their being Muslim hidden lest anyone else make fun of them. They may not want others to speak ill of Allah Himself because they do not understand our faith.

We have to be older brothers to the younger Muslims, and teach them from what we know and help them develop their understanding of Islam. Teach them to rely on the Qur'an for answers in life, to try to emulate the Holy Prophet (saw) (and consider him their life hero rather than some celebrity) and to try and pray often to overcome the materialism here in the West.

Ignorance is the major cause of the youth going astray.

 

[Al-Mufarridun]

Military Technology: Where do Muslims Stand? - By Aamir Latif

He quoted the words of Dr. Muhammad Aijazul Khatib of Damascus University that "In contrast to 250 verses which are legislative, some 750 verses of the Holy Quran - almost one-eighth of it - exhort the believers to study Nature to reflect, to make the best use of reason and to make the scientific enterprise an integral part of Community's life."

“Until, the Muslim Ummah follows the saying of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) in connection with acquisition of knowledge, it cannot revert to its lost glory. Allah does not change the condition of those who do not change it by themselves”, Naeem maintained.

 

[ardianto]

LAPAN TUBSat (LAPAN A1) nano satellite

The Indonesia’s first remote sensing satellite, made by the experts from LAPAN (National Institute of Aeronautics and Space) Indonesia and Technical University Berlin (TUB) Germany, in TUB lab Germany. The uses of the satellite are for Indonesian natural resources observation and weather forecast for the Indonesian area.

LAPAN TUBSat weighs of 54, 7 Kilograms. Launched in 1 January 2007 from the Indian space centre in Sriharikota and still functioning well after the fifth birthday. Orbit at 630 kilometers above Indonesia. This satellite passes the polar orbital (from one polar to another) and across the archipelago for two or three times each day.

LAPAN A2 nano satellite.

Designed and built by LAPAN (National Institute of Aeronautics and Space) Indonesia, in LAPAN lab in Ranca Bungur, Indonesia, although still used German consultant. Has 78 kilograms weight, LAPAN A2 nano satellite utility are for earth observation, ships monitoring, and for amateur radio communication. It carries Automatic Identification System (AIS) that can identify every ship that sail on its monitored area.

LAPAN A2 will be launched from Indian space centre in Sriharikota, India, in june 2013. Although launched by India, LAPAN engineers will be there to prepare and monitor this nano satellite launching.


For this time Indonesia still use Indian rockets because LAPAN satellite launcher rockets has not ready yet, and still in development process. An expert from LAPAN said that rocket technology is top secret technology that no country will share this technology. So, LAPAN must work alone in research and development without any help from another country. But LAPAN is targeting in 2014 they will ready to launch nano satellite with their self made rocket.

LAPAN rockets testing

(from article: Military Technology: Where do Muslims Stand? - By Aamir Latif)

“The Muslim rulers have to understand- the sooner the better- that the honorable exit of their dependence on the West is not possible without the strength of science and technology”, Rahman, who served as minister for science and technology from 2000 to 2002 remarked.

Hafiz Naeem-ur-Rehman, an engineer and religious scholar agrees. “Knowledge is the lost treasure of the Muslim Ummah. Wherever it is found, we must get it.” Hafiz Naeem, who got his civil engineering degree from NED University of Engineering and Technology.

Muslim majority countries should strong in science and technology if they want to exit from their dependence on the West. As the first step Muslims can take the West technologies, then develop these technologies and finally invent new technologies.

As Muslims we should realistic that we need step by step process if we want to get our golden age again.

“Until, the Muslim Ummah follows the saying of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) in connection with acquisition of knowledge, it cannot revert to its lost glory. Allah does not change the condition of those who do not change it by themselves”, Naeem maintained.

 

[ardianto]

Muslimah contribution in science and technology.

Sidrotun Naim

One of numbers of Indonesian female Muslim scientists and researcherr. Known as "shrimp doctor" because her research in virology to invent vaccine for shrimps. got L'Oreal-Unesco FWIS International award in 2012.

Few Indonesian female scientists and researchers in an event.

We should not forget that half of Muslims people are females, and they could give huge contribution for ummah if they are given the opportunity. Muslim women in Indonesia have proven it. They give important contribution in science, technology, and economy, without they neglect their duties as a wife and a mother.

 

[Al-Mufarridun]

Muslim majority countries should strong in science and technology if they want to exit from their dependence on the West. As the first step Muslims can take the West technologies, then develop these technologies and finally invent new technologies.

As Muslims we should realistic that we need step by step process if we want to get our golden age again.

Well said bro. While we all know the task before us is huge, we must also remain realistic and move forward in a 'step by step process' as you mentioned.

I'm fascinated by the Japanese model, their approach during the Meiji restoration, when they within a very short period of time moved from an isolationist togugawa shogunate to a world power. They sent students abroad to learn science and technology, each field from the best in the world. They of-course made some mistakes, but it is still a very unique example.

Short overview of Japan's modernization

Meiji Reform and Modernization

The Japanese were angry that the shogun had
given in to the foreigners’ demands. They turned to Japan’s young emperor, Mutsuhito (moot•soo•HEE•toh), who seemed to symbolize the country’s sense of pride and nationalism. In 1867, the Tokugawa shogun tepped down, ending the military dictatorships that had lasted since the 12th century. Mutsuhito took control of the government. He chose the name Meiji for his reign, which means “enlightened rule.” Mutsuhito’s reign, which lasted 45 years, is known as the Meiji era.

The Meiji emperor realized that the best way to counter Western influence was to modernize. He sent diplomats to Europe and North America to study Western ways. The Japanese then chose what they believed to be the best that Western civilization had to offer and adapted it to their own country. They admired Germany’s strong centralized government, for example. And they used its constitution as a model for their own. The Japanese also admired the discipline of the German army and the skill of the British navy. They attempted to imitate these European powers as they modernized their military. Japan adopted the American system of universal public education and required that all Japanese children attend school. Their teachers often included foreign experts. Students could go abroad to study as well.

The emperor also energetically supported following the Western path of industrialization. By the early 20th century, the Japanese economy had become as modern as any in the world. The country built its first railroad line in 1872. The track connected Tokyo, the nation’s capital, with the port of Yokohama, 20 miles to the south. By 1914, Japan had more than 7,000 miles of railroad. Coal production grew from half a million tons in 1875 to more than 21 million tons in 1913. Meanwhile, large, state-supported companies built thousands of factories. Traditional Japanese industries, such as tea processing and silk production, expanded to give the country unique products to trade. Developing modern industries, such as shipbuilding, made Japan competitive with the West.