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but where are you getting evidence that there is no life? have you been there ;D scientists cant even rule anything out yet so how you can

well I did not say I have evidence. But in the realm of science, nothing exists till evidence shows that it exists. Following that train of thought, alien life does not exist till we have conclusive evidence that it exists.
 
What is science but educated guesses, some only guesses (theories) others proved true? Realm of science is as limited as human's knowledge. Science changes every day. Today they say so and so and 50yrs from today with more advanced discovery they will totally negate what was said 50yrs ago and say something else. So science does not have absolute truth, it is all speculative. Science measures by the use of 5 senses but than it fails to prove you have a brain because we can't touch, taste, feel, smell or see it. Follow Islam, we know alien life exists. The kuffars can believe it does not exist according to their limited science all they want.
 
i believe america has found aliens and they are hiding the evidence why is there so many families claiming that something crash landed near there home
 
well I did not say I have evidence. But in the realm of science, nothing exists till evidence shows that it exists. Following that train of thought, alien life does not exist till we have conclusive evidence that it exists.

who were the first scientists? they were muslims of course and they proved everything from qur'an but later the kafirs took over everything

quran clearly states there is other creatures on other planets
 
who were the first scientists? they were muslims of course and they proved everything from qur'an but later the kafirs took over everything

quran clearly states there is other creatures on other planets

Muslims were not the first scientists, I wish it was true. The oldest record of scientific activity and curiosity goes back to the Roman Empire. Read about Archimedes, he proposed Archimedes principle which describes why certain substances float on water.
 
What is science but educated guesses, some only guesses (theories) others proved true? Realm of science is as limited as human's knowledge. Science changes every day. Today they say so and so and 50yrs from today with more advanced discovery they will totally negate what was said 50yrs ago and say something else. So science does not have absolute truth, it is all speculative. Science measures by the use of 5 senses but than it fails to prove you have a brain because we can't touch, taste, feel, smell or see it. Follow Islam, we know alien life exists. The kuffars can believe it does not exist according to their limited science all they want.

Well ... I think alien life is as subject to scientific investigation as finding an inhibitor for HIV replication. It is not a matter of faith. As much as there are drawbacks in the scientific method, I cannot let my faith take over reasoning in this secular matter of alien existence.
 
i believe america has found aliens and they are hiding the evidence why is there so many families claiming that something crash landed near there home

islam tells us to investigate news before believing in them. Why do you believe US is hiding the evidence? Its just a conspiracy theory.
 
Alien life is not a subject of scientific investigation nor is finding an inhibitor of HIV replication, it is a subject of science limitation and level of advancement. It is your faith (islam) that tells you Allah created life and spread it across the universe and it is your science (investigation) that hasn't reached a level of advancement to go out and explore and confirm nor deny it. You're going by the ignorant man's analogy, if i can't prove it nor have the means to then it doesn't exist...
 
Alien life is not a subject of scientific investigation nor is finding an inhibitor of HIV replication, it is a subject of science limitation and level of advancement. It is your faith (islam) that tells you Allah created life and spread it across the universe and it is your science (investigation) that hasn't reached a level of advancement to go out and explore and confirm nor deny it. You're going by the ignorant man's analogy, if i can't prove it nor have the means to then it doesn't exist...

Why is not finding an inhibitor for HIV replication subject to scientific method? That is the only way we can discover the truth: the truth of something, if it exists, to stop HIV from replicating in its host cells in humans. Scientific method if not a man-made method. Its made and created by God for us. Science is not mine. Neither of any man. It is Allah's and it portrays beauty of Allah succinctly.

Now show me evidence where Allah (swt) says that He spread life in the universe? Or in the heavens? We have to define what life means. Does life include Jinns and Angels? So maybe Allah (swt) is saying that He has spread Jinns across the universe, not necessarily material life.

wsalam.
 
I have already posted verses of Allah saying he created the heavens and the earth and spread life therein, you can search this thread and find it yourself. as for life being jinns, humans, angels or what not, that is not your nor my place to say. we are not told what kind of life, only life. We don't have to define what life is, keep your limited science to yourself and abstain from dwelling further in this topic if you value your emaan. Just know that Allah created life and He can make it exist where ever, when ever and how ever.
 
I have already posted verses of Allah saying he created the heavens and the earth and spread life therein, you can search this thread and find it yourself. as for life being jinns, humans, angels or what not, that is not your nor my place to say. we are not told what kind of life, only life. We don't have to define what life is, keep your limited science to yourself and abstain from dwelling further in this topic if you value your emaan. Just know that Allah created life and He can make it exist where ever, when ever and how ever.

Sure. Allah can do what He wills. But He has chosen to create consistent laws so that we can understand. With that in mind, I do not think He has created life elsewhere. Biological life I mean. There is no concise evidence in Quran which says so. Of course Allah can create life anywhere in the universe. But He has not said in the Quran that He did so elsewhere apart from the Earth. You are being too arrogant now by calling my emaan into question. My emaan has no danger from being rational. And being rational in this regards means that I should not believe that intelligent life elsewhere exists. Because there is no evidence. Neither did Allah (swt) say ANYWHERE in Quran that He has created life in the universe apart from Earth.
 
Apparently you are too stubborn to go back and read my post, so here i'll re-post it here for you.

[SIZE=-1]"And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the living creatures He has scattered through them." (42.29)

And: "The seven heavens and the earth, and beings therein, declare his glory." (17:44)

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You are not being rational but rather stubborn in your ignorance of science. let me say it again bro, science is limited to the point humans have advanced. By science just as you can't say there is life out there, so too you can't say there is no life out there. The absence of proof does not equal proof in itself. So quit relying on your science if you can't even rely on it 100%. As for life being out there from an islamic stand point, READ the above verses and ponder over them, in fact go talk to a scholar instead since your so "scientific" about it. As for the eman and arrogant remark, you're eman and islam comes in jeopardy when you ignorantly and stubbornly hold onto your views without look at the facts before (quranic verses). But if you want to call someone arrogant cuz they are advising you to leave the subject alone lest you hurt your Islam because of your blind ignorance and reliance on imperfect science than there's not much to say.
 
Apparently you are too stubborn to go back and read my post, so here i'll re-post it here for you.



You are not being rational but rather stubborn in your ignorance of science. let me say it again bro, science is limited to the point humans have advanced. By science just as you can't say there is life out there, so too you can't say there is no life out there. The absence of proof does not equal proof in itself. So quit relying on your science if you can't even rely on it 100%. As for life being out there from an islamic stand point, READ the above verses and ponder over them, in fact go talk to a scholar instead since your so "scientific" about it. As for the eman and arrogant remark, you're eman and islam comes in jeopardy when you ignorantly and stubbornly hold onto your views without look at the facts before (quranic verses). But if you want to call someone arrogant cuz they are advising you to leave the subject alone lest you hurt your Islam because of your blind ignorance and reliance on imperfect science than there's not much to say.

Sure, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. But why should I believe that life exists out there, from a scientific point of view? I cannot have personal biases. My belief in lack of existence intelligent beings is based on lack of evidence. If someone wants to believe that such beings exist even if evidence does not exist, its their call. But I wont let them call their belief more logical than mine.

NOW. A Big Now.

From Quranic perspective, the verses you quoted are:

""And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the living creatures He has scattered through them." (42.29)

And: "The seven heavens and the earth, and beings therein, declare his glory." (17:44)

These verses indicate that there is life in some form or other planets in the galaxies. Until scientific means become more sophisticated to make this discovery, this Quranic statement will remain an unfulfilled prophecy."

I never denied those verses, audubillah. But do you think that the bolded parts could ONLY refer to humans? Or maybe to angels? What indication is there that those bolded parts REFER to living beings aside from humans? Maybe those bolded parts refer to bacteria on Earth! But what is there to convince me that such things CAN exist elsewhere in the universe? I believe that Allah swt can do it but I am not so sure if I can believe in that since evidence does not exist. My belief will be WITHOUT any reasonable proof. Since belief in these beings is NOT part of 6 pillars of faith of Islam, why SHOULD I believe in them? More importantly, why should I have the same belief as my atheist kaafir astronomy professor? She believes, and MANY other kaafir scientists too, that life, perhaps intelligent life, exists in this universe. Why should I share their belief when they have no proof for it?

And I have no personal grudge against you bro. I like many of your posts and share same ideas. But this one I think we differ.
 
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I think you have thinking of intelligent beings out there. Islam does not mention intelligent beings of any kind except the jinns, humans and angels as far as we know. With that said, we know bacteria and other microorganisms exist that can exist and thrive in places that once were thought impossible. For example, there have been type of bacteria found that lives in the lava, also a type that can exist in space w/o the need for oxygen. IF you want to go on science and evidence alone than it stands to reason that the possibility of life (not necessarily intelligent) existing in the universe is much higher the possibility of it not existing. Allah says and so does science agree that all life originates from water. We have found water on our own moon, on mars, on moons of Jupiter and how many thousands of other satellite out there?

Anyways, whether you or I or anyone believes in life out there doesn't really matter at all because it does not benefit us nor harm us believing one way or another. Besides, once we go to akhirah, we'll find out anyway :D
 
I think you have thinking of intelligent beings out there. Islam does not mention intelligent beings of any kind except the jinns, humans and angels as far as we know. With that said, we know bacteria and other microorganisms exist that can exist and thrive in places that once were thought impossible. For example, there have been type of bacteria found that lives in the lava, also a type that can exist in space w/o the need for oxygen. IF you want to go on science and evidence alone than it stands to reason that the possibility of life (not necessarily intelligent) existing in the universe is much higher the possibility of it not existing. Allah says and so does science agree that all life originates from water. We have found water on our own moon, on mars, on moons of Jupiter and how many thousands of other satellite out there?

Anyways, whether you or I or anyone believes in life out there doesn't really matter at all because it does not benefit us nor harm us believing one way or another. Besides, once we go to akhirah, we'll find out anyway :D

inshAllah. I am looking forward to having conversation with Allah and to have many questions answered, inshAllah. I hope I am in a good outcome (jannah) to have conversation with Him regarding my questions ...... inshAllah.


Regarding the bolded part, that is the very evidence the kaafir scientists use to posit that intelligent life exists. It is supported by the Principle of Mediocrity. Before Copernicus proposed the heliocentric model, the Earth was considered to be the centre of the universe and unique by majority of people. The Copernican revolution changed how we view ourself. After it was found that Earth is NOT the center of the universe, it became clear that Earth is JUST like one of many other planet systems. That is what the Principle states. There is nothing inherently unique about our Earth. It is just like ANY other planet albeit with composition that by chance supports life. That is the atheistic view. And now since the universe is SO SO vast that this same accident is very likely bound to happen purely by chance i.e. perfect composition for life. That is why the search for life is going on at crazy pace to disprove that God exists or that our life on Earth is unique.

Another argument used to strengthen the likelihood of existence of life is the microbiological flora found on earth in extreme conditions. For example, the extremophiles! The bacteria or archaea which live in the severest of conditions ..... since that is possible, it is possible that organisms could live in space or conditions of space .... about 50 years back, some astronomists thought that viruses fell from space onto Earth ... but of course that was proven wrong ... virus emerged from Earth through what is called evolution, supposedly ....

Regarding extremophiles, sure they can live in tough conditions but I still cannot believe that they can survive the crazy frosty temperature of the universe and the vacuum. The only way to test that is to take these bacteria out into space and measure their growth in space. Until scientists do that, I will not blindly believe in them.

I see it as the atheistic agenda. If somehow intelligent life is found elsewhere, it will strengthen the atheist position that life can emerge purely by chance. The chance happened on Earth and it happened again somewhere else in the universe.
 
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If somehow intelligent life is found elsewhere, it will strengthen the atheist position that life can emerge purely by chance. The chance happened on Earth and it happened again somewhere else in the universe.

We really don't care what the atheist believe or not believe as it will not affect us in anyway. It is easy for Allah to create life where ever he wants, all he has to say is "be" it is done.
 
We really don't care what the atheist believe or not believe as it will not affect us in anyway. It is easy for Allah to create life where ever he wants, all he has to say is "be" it is done.

indeed. The Command is His alone.
 

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